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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2011 19:51:52 GMT -5
Not too far from the central plaza of the Taco, a proud building stands out against the laid-back style of the surrounding businesses. The City Hall, as it is known, is a place of discussion and debate. Writers (and characters, when their input/testimony is necessary) gather there in times of conflict to sort out difficulties that arise.
Please try to keep everything as calm as possible.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2011 19:53:11 GMT -5
FORMER/RESOLVED TOPICS:CURRENT TOPIC: - Weaponry/Character Self Defense
—Relevant links: Discussion starts here, continues to here, resumes here and tailed off here.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2011 19:59:22 GMT -5
TORKIE'S ARGUMENT: Not so much argument as observation. - A majority of Taco characters are already armed in one way or another. As of this post, three Writers have already stated that they have no intention of changing the weapon setup of their characters. (Bettyming, Torkie, and Hunter)
- Ability to fight does not equate to willingness to fight, nor does it equate to feelings of safety. Many characters come to the Taco to relax, and do not wish to fight. IF they do not feel safe/welcome, they will not show up. EXAMPLE: It is for that reason that the Weyard Warriors have started avoiding the Taco, despite being powerful elemental warriors clearly capable of self defense.
- I do not feel we should add weaponized turrets around the Taco.
- I feel that if there is the need to add shields over the Taco, then there is a problem with the level of danger in the city and that should be fixed instead.
- I support the idea of taking "street fights" to the Arena thread, which could be expanded to support a thread for fights in general.
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Post by Ikkin on May 31, 2011 20:13:51 GMT -5
Here's my concern about the avoidance of violence in the Taco: while there are some characters who don't like to come out if they don't feel safe, there are also some characters who would be forced to act OOC if they weren't allowed to act impulsively when provoked.
My two characters are Ikkin and Sev. They've both been around for a very long time, and their tendency towards violence is something that's both a result of their background and a significant part of their characterization.
I have been lucky so far in that everyone has treated both Ikkin and Sev nicely, so neither of them have had any reason to blow up. But, if someone started goading them, and I didn't feel I could have them respond with violence, I'd feel wrong forcing them to act contrary to their characters.
Pushing violent confrontations to another thread is a potential solution, of course... but, I think it could be really awkward to have to pack up and move to deal with a confrontation that could quite possibly take only a few posts, and in my experience, minor topics tend to die when they're asked to move. (Major topics, of course, tend to thrive even more so as separate threads, but most fights aren't major topics)
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Post by Lizzie on May 31, 2011 20:16:42 GMT -5
Okay, as a person who doesn't particularly like to arm her characters, I don't have a very useful view, but here goes.
From what I can tell, people all have their own weapons if their Writers want them to be armed. I don't see the point in issuing weapons to everyone, if they already have what they need.
As for the stuff that would be around the Taco... That wouldn't keep anyone that was a close member of the Taco community from suddenly going insane and attacking everyone.
The street fights would be good for either the Arena or a separate thread, in my view.
As Torkie pointed out, people don't come to the taco if they don't feel safe there, like the Weyard Warriors don't come much anymore.
Also, when we were talking about plasma weapons, do you REALLY think that issuing a plasma weapon to everyone would be such a good idea? I mean, the good-guy-gone-bad would have a plasma weapon, as well.
I think that if a Writer wanted to, they could 'opt in' to the weapons thing, and get the weapons, maybe like put them into a special place in the Taco?
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Post by Chloemew on May 31, 2011 20:19:38 GMT -5
I like the idea of the "street fights" thing. I know that some of my characters have been causing some of this trouble recently, so that's probably the best option, at least in my opinion.
I'll be honest, I like writing conflicts between my characters. But hopefully something like that will lessen the chance of others getting involved in it who don't want to be involved. xD;
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2011 20:20:42 GMT -5
To Ikkin: Almost all characters respond to conflict in one of two ways. - They seek to end the conflict. Either by joining a side (if previously non-participants) or striking back (self-defense). Or trying to break it up.
- They flee, whether because they feel unsafe or don't want to deal with it.
Your character's decision to fight back is not at all unusual or different. However, it is in my observation that when fights arise, they tend to take at least several pages. Just look at The Flight of the Yatagarasu for an example of this happening. This is why we agreed to make separate threads for such things when they arise in the first place. EDIT: From what I can tell, people all have their own weapons if their Writers want them to be armed. I don't see the point in issuing weapons to everyone, if they already have what they need. This is true. I'll be honest, I like writing conflicts between my characters. But hopefully something like that will lessen the chance of others getting involved in it who don't want to be involved. xD; Part of the problem is that people enjoy conflicts between their characters… they just don't want to have to deal with being a third party to other Writers' conflicts. |
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Post by Chloemew on May 31, 2011 20:30:31 GMT -5
Whenever Scrac and I have started getting involved in things more related to other RP threads such as "Here Be Robots" whilst on the Taco, one of us simply posts our reply to the other's last post in the appropriate thread instead (giving some indication that that's what they're doing beforehand, obviously). I think this is how the street fights thread would work. It doesn't really matter if the confrontation only lasts a few posts or not - I just don't want to make people feel more uncomfortable than they already have been feeling whenever something like that happens.
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Post by The Scrac that Smiles Back on May 31, 2011 20:49:52 GMT -5
Whenever Scrac and I have started getting involved in things more related to other RP threads such as "Here Be Robots" whilst on the Taco, one of us simply posts our reply to the other's last post in the appropriate thread instead (giving some indication that that's what they're doing beforehand, obviously). I think this is how the street fights thread would work. It doesn't really matter if the confrontation only lasts a few posts or not - I just don't want to make people feel more uncomfortable than they already have been feeling whenever something like that happens. Aye! I'd rather not change the weaponry of all the characters in the Taco because one of the best things (most loved by me and my characters) about this place is the diversity and freedom. I support moving street fights to the Area thread or giving it a thread of its own. |
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Post by Ikkin on May 31, 2011 20:58:54 GMT -5
To Ikkin: Almost all characters respond to conflict in one of two ways. - They seek to end the conflict. Either by joining a side (if previously non-participants) or striking back (self-defense). Or trying to break it up.
- They flee, whether because they feel unsafe or don't want to deal with it.
Your character's decision to fight back is not at all unusual or different. However, it is in my observation that when fights arise, they tend to take at least several pages. Just look at The Flight of the Yatagarasu for an example of this happening. This is why we agreed to make separate threads for such things when they arise in the first place. Okay, that makes more sense to me now. I haven't seen too many fights in my time here (for obvious reasons), so I was assuming it'd be more like Tabloid conflicts used to be. If they are usually long, extended conflicts, it would make more sense to split, I agree. But, that still isolates the fighters more than they ought to be isolated, I think. There's too much of an implication that people who break the Truce are bad people who need to be punished, even if that's not the intent. People feel really guilty and are often coerced into conforming when others pile on them or leave because of their actions, and that's not really fun for anyone. =/ |
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Post by Chloemew on May 31, 2011 21:07:17 GMT -5
I personally don't have a problem with things being moved to a different thread should the need arise. :U I don't feel like I'm being punished, and if anything it's something of a relief for me, as it means I don't have to worry about bothering anyone.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2011 21:09:57 GMT -5
To Ikkin: Almost all characters respond to conflict in one of two ways. - They seek to end the conflict. Either by joining a side (if previously non-participants) or striking back (self-defense). Or trying to break it up.
- They flee, whether because they feel unsafe or don't want to deal with it.
Your character's decision to fight back is not at all unusual or different. However, it is in my observation that when fights arise, they tend to take at least several pages. Just look at The Flight of the Yatagarasu for an example of this happening. This is why we agreed to make separate threads for such things when they arise in the first place. Okay, that makes more sense to me now. I haven't seen too many fights in my time here (for obvious reasons), so I was assuming it'd be more like Tabloid conflicts used to be. If they are usually long, extended conflicts, it would make more sense to split, I agree. But, that still isolates the fighters more than they ought to be isolated, I think. There's too much of an implication that people who break the Truce are bad people who need to be punished, even if that's not the intent. People feel really guilty and are often coerced into conforming when others pile on them or leave because of their actions, and that's not really fun for anyone. =/ Breaking the Truce doesn't make a person bad. And everyone loves a good fight. I'll admit I've done so myself before (most notably Falling into Darkness; other examples will need to be pointed out to me). I really should have moved FiD to another thread or something, to be honest. It's just that when people don't want to deal with it, they won't. That's why my characters and I leave when for (the current) example, the robot conflicts start up. I just do not want to have to deal with something like that. I am sure others feel the same way about other kinds of conflict I am involved in. Another very strong reason to move conflicts to other places is just because of the size of the Taco. Each month gets about 600 pages. Finding that one single conflict you were looking for among hundreds of pages is really time consuming. (I should know, I had to do so for archiving purposes for Falling into Darkness.) |
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Post by The Scrac that Smiles Back on May 31, 2011 21:12:43 GMT -5
I personally don't have a problem with things being moved to a different thread should the need arise. :U I don't feel like I'm being punished, and if anything it's something of a relief for me, as it means I don't have to worry about bothering anyone. Indeed. As fun as nearly obliterating the city was, I'd be happy to move to another thread so it doesn't bother others :3 |
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Post by Lizzie on May 31, 2011 21:21:44 GMT -5
Okay, that makes more sense to me now. I haven't seen too many fights in my time here (for obvious reasons), so I was assuming it'd be more like Tabloid conflicts used to be. If they are usually long, extended conflicts, it would make more sense to split, I agree. But, that still isolates the fighters more than they ought to be isolated, I think. There's too much of an implication that people who break the Truce are bad people who need to be punished, even if that's not the intent. People feel really guilty and are often coerced into conforming when others pile on them or leave because of their actions, and that's not really fun for anyone. =/ Breaking the Truce doesn't make a person bad. And everyone loves a good fight. I'll admit I've done so myself before (most notably Falling into Darkness; other examples will need to be pointed out to me). I really should have moved FiD to another thread or something, to be honest. It's just that when people don't want to deal with it, they won't. That's why my characters and I leave when for (the current) example, the robot conflicts start up. I just do not want to have to deal with something like that. I am sure others feel the same way about other kinds of conflict I am involved in. Another very strong reason to move conflicts to other places is just because of the size of the Taco. Each month gets about 600 pages. Finding that one single conflict you were looking for among hundreds of pages is really time consuming. (I should know, I had to do so for archiving purposes for Falling into Darkness.) I completely agree with the moving conflicts due to size point. I spent almost an hour looking for the conlict between Draco and I. |
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Post by Gelquie on May 31, 2011 21:34:40 GMT -5
For the issue on the "armament of others" solution, I don't think that will solve the problem. However, as the suggestion is "opt-in", then people can choose to take their share of weapons if they want. People aren't being forced to take a futuristic weapon (I probably won't do it for my characters, for one reason because it'd significantly clash with my medieval characters. Eli might be interested, but that's him as a character.) But I think more of the issue here is the willingness of others to go into fights.
At that point, there's still the issue of the violence on the threads. In my view, people don't have to join a fight if they don't want to. At the same time, I see way too many negative reactions to people who do start a fight, even if it's a minor fight. That kind of hinders the type of people who want to do some sort of fight. That's where my concern is.
I don't mind there being a fight thread, but I'm worried that it may eliminate any sort of fighting from the Taco entirely, no matter how small the conflict. And sometimes, it's hard to know how big the fight will be until it's already started. I think it's hard for anyone to know that for sure.
I will admit to the convolutedness. However, with the type of stuff that goes on at the main chat, I find there's always some sort of convolutedness, one way or another. But that may be mostly with the size of the Taco.
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