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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2011 19:31:37 GMT -5
If you guys want to hold it on a separate thread, that's fine. But if it becomes a permanent fixture point (like a city hall), I think it should be a bit neater of an introduction than just "okay, here's the current problem and we'll use this thread for all problems here on out". I'd be willing to write that out, but I'm not sure people would be willing to wait for it. I agree with this post, and I can help write it. ^_^ Alright then. Let's get to it. *Beams off to start writing something* |
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Post by Lizzie on May 31, 2011 19:32:06 GMT -5
I agree with this post, and I can help write it. ^_^ Alright then. Let's get to it. *Beams off to start writing something* Okay. ^_^ |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2011 19:32:07 GMT -5
If you haven't noticed, this is building tension. And this won't solve existing tension. See my first point about not wanting to fight. Revealing existing tensions usually looks identical to building tensions. But you can't let that get in the way of bringing them into the light so you can deal with them. Has it? It seems too early to say that to me. I'm going to step away from the issue for one moment to ask a question. When Torkie, Drew, or I think up a rule to solve chaos on the Taco, we have the mods swarming all over us for trying to control the board. When Omni comes up with a rule to give every single character in the entire suburb weaponry that may not even fit with their character, the mods are in support of it? ',:/ |
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Post by Ikkin on May 31, 2011 19:32:37 GMT -5
If you guys want to hold it on a separate thread, that's fine. But if it becomes a permanent fixture point (like a city hall), I think it should be a bit neater of an introduction than just "okay, here's the current problem and we'll use this thread for all problems here on out". I'd be willing to write that out, but I'm not sure people would be willing to wait for it. I could always edit in the description for you once it was done. The second post will immediately get into the problem anyway, and it's easy enough to fix the first post later, as long as the first poster doesn't mind. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2011 19:35:43 GMT -5
 : Given enough cleverness on the part of its user, even the simplest weapon can be adequate to defeat even the strongest foe. On the other hand, no weapon is adequate for any purpose if you're not willing to commit to using it. Forcing unwanted weapons on others isn't the way to proceed, true. But that doesn't mean there isn't value in inspiring them to find ways to avoid feeling helpless in the face of a threat, whether that involves new weaponry or not. One more time, they can still opt out for personal reasons. Similar to your remark about not using them, they can still choose not to use the weapons even if they get them. I'll admit, the cleverness thing didn't come to mind. That is a good point, though. Perhaps it would be worth while – at least on my part – to mention that the Reploids have a weakness? But yes, I feel that we need to work so that people here don't feel helpless in the face of a threat. It's getting to be too much of a problem. As for using new weapons, may I say 'don't knock it until you try it'? If we don't give it a chance, nothing changes, and nothing is learned. Also, we don't need to "force" a particular type of weapon on anybody. We can have different options and have different people choose what they're comfortable with. That part of the reason why I brought up both plasma weapons (which aren't limited to firearms) and Zats: I was trying to convey that there are different options to be chosen from, and individually at that. I guess it was just poor choice of words on my part that that didn't get across. Heh. I just got an ad for firearms training.  People choose what they're comfortable with? Fine. Doc gets a sword in the shape of a scalpel and bombs in the form of pills. Miles Griffin gets a magical sword. Uther Payne gets fire magic. |
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Post by Ikkin on May 31, 2011 19:36:13 GMT -5
Revealing existing tensions usually looks identical to building tensions. But you can't let that get in the way of bringing them into the light so you can deal with them. Has it? It seems too early to say that to me. I'm going to step away from the issue for one moment to ask a question. When Torkie, Drew, or I think up a rule to solve chaos on the Taco, we have the mods swarming all over us for trying to control the board. When Omni comes up with a rule to give every single character in the entire suburb weaponry that may not even fit with their character, the mods are in support of it? ',:/ We're not supporting her rule, as you can see by my first post. We're supporting the idea of open discussion. In any case, GLQ and I are both personally invested in our positions -- we're here as fellow Tacoers too, not just mods. |
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Post by Gelquie on May 31, 2011 19:37:37 GMT -5
Revealing existing tensions usually looks identical to building tensions. But you can't let that get in the way of bringing them into the light so you can deal with them. Has it? It seems too early to say that to me. I'm going to step away from the issue for one moment to ask a question. When Torkie, Drew, or I think up a rule to solve chaos on the Taco, we have the mods swarming all over us for trying to control the board. When Omni comes up with a rule to give every single character in the entire suburb weaponry that may not even fit with their character, the mods are in support of it? ',:/ We have not mentioned support or non-support against Omni's idea. Personally, I don't know about the idea of weaponry, but I do agree with the general idea of tension and disagreement about the violence. That's what we're trying to say. And that's what I'm trying to discuss, since I'm sure that's the core of the issue here. |
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Post by Omni on May 31, 2011 19:42:19 GMT -5
Skipping over stuff that's already been addressed by others (some of them worded better than I would have been able to) both to avoid redundancy and because I'm pressed for time... Sorry. Well, the one I've seen stated out loud (so to speak) so far is Torkie, but I wouldn't be surprised if others have similar discomfort. I know that people have been 'running away' (again, so to speak) a lot. Have you ever considered that people might be leaving because they don't want to fight, not because they can't fight? Block has a laser weapon, Churchill's gun has been canonically shown to be able to, at the very least, damage Himmlerbot, Jinzo has electricity powers... There is no lack of ability here. *groan* As mentioned, if handled properly, not only will people be able to fight if they want, but it should cut down the number of fights that occur in the first place dramitically. Would it not be easier to opt in? Perhaps simply set up an Icy Taco location where these weapons are available. ...Actually, yeah, that could work. One thing to bear in mind and discuss. You expect the Taco characters from medieval universes to be able to handle plasma weaponry? With a little bit of training, sure. Some of them may even find plasma weapons easier to use. In fact, between size and materials, I suspect that a plasma sword would handle very similarly to the Light Blade from the Golden Sun series, as it seems that they would both be near-weightless with the main exception being the handle. And yeah, a town hall thread would probably be a good idea. Instead of starting with 'okay, this is the issue,' we probably should have a more-formal first post. Then in said first post, we can have a list of issues and a note by each on whether or not they're resolved. Anyway, gotta head now. I'll be Bach. |
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Post by Chloemew on May 31, 2011 19:46:50 GMT -5
Torkie's working on a thread at the moment. :U
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2011 20:02:08 GMT -5
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Post by Lizzie on May 31, 2011 20:06:38 GMT -5
*adds her stamp of approval* Hmm... For the Current discussion and stuff, will we keep previous discussions (including their ending points and starting points) in there as well? |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2011 20:07:31 GMT -5
*adds her stamp of approval* Hmm... For the Current discussion and stuff, will we keep previous discussions (including their ending points and starting points) in there as well? Yes. Edits will be made there as necessary. |
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Post by Lizzie on May 31, 2011 20:08:32 GMT -5
*adds her stamp of approval* Hmm... For the Current discussion and stuff, will we keep previous discussions (including their ending points and starting points) in there as well? Yes. Edits will be made there as necessary. Okay. ^_^ |
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Post by The Scrac that Smiles Back on May 31, 2011 21:06:15 GMT -5
*dances to "Wolves of the Sea"*
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Post by Chloemew on May 31, 2011 21:09:40 GMT -5
Yo Scrac :U
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