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Post by Dice on Nov 30, 2009 8:29:05 GMT -5
So, has anyone seen Waters of Mars?  I just watched it last night and am dying to chat with someone about it before I implode with flail, since nobody I know IRL even knows what Doctor Who is ;__; |
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Post by Morton on Nov 30, 2009 11:52:32 GMT -5
So, has anyone seen Waters of Mars? I just watched it last night and am dying to chat with someone about it before I implode with flail, since nobody I know IRL even knows what Doctor Who is ;__; *raises hand* We English don't get many things first, but at least BBC Wales shows do tend to reach us before anywhere else. Well... at the same time as Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland, but you get the idea. |
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Post by Pyro notloggedin on Nov 30, 2009 16:30:19 GMT -5
So, has anyone seen Waters of Mars? I just watched it last night and am dying to chat with someone about it before I implode with flail, since nobody I know IRL even knows what Doctor Who is ;__; *raises hand* We English don't get many things first, but at least BBC Wales shows do tend to reach us before anywhere else. Well... at the same time as Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland, but you get the idea. I'd gladly give up all the rotten shows we get here (New York) to get BBC shows. So what did you think? I don't know how I'm supposed to wait for the Christmas episodes xD Especially since they aren't broadcasting here. Also, I really need to stop watching Who at midnight, then freaking out every time a shadow moves because I think it's a water-sucking zombie coming to attack me. |
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Post by Morton on Nov 30, 2009 16:38:56 GMT -5
Having seen it (warning, big plot spoilers ahead!): As this one went along I can't say I was overly impressed with it. It didn't really stand out as anything special, although it wasn't particularly naff either. Just a pretty average thing. Until 15 minutes from the end. I loved it from that point on, as The Doctor walks away and everything happens behind him, the folks of Bowie Base One steadily succumbing to the flood and being sealed in. It really had that epic feel of the long march, and David Tennant had that traumatised look on his face the whole time, and you knew it was breaking his heart to do such a thing. But he knew he had to do it. Get a great contrast there of his slow walk away while the base is going into a frenzy trying to stop the flood. Then of course he goes mental. The Doctor becomes The Master basically. "We aren't just fighting the flood, we're fighting time itself, and I'M GOING TO WIN!" I would have quite liked to see more of this crazed Doctor, which would of course have led to his downfall and the passing of the flame to the Eleventh Doctor. It's another part that contrasts well with his march, and you can see the full impact of everything he has ever been through, and the ringing true of Donna's words from 'The Runaway Bride'. He need someone to stop him. The end also kept me guessing, as I thought this was David Tennant's final performance! I kept expecting Adelaide to shoot him at the end rather than the other way, but the moment she actually closed that door it was obvious what was going to happen. I really did enjoy that final fifteen minutes. As I think shows  Got kind of mixed thoughts on the teaser trailer for the next one that they showed after this episode. But I'll save those thoughts for when I log in again, and when more people have had the chance to see this episode (and hopefully the teaser bit too). That was me when I was floating about occasionally while on hiatus Did you see the teaser for the Christmas Special then? |
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Post by Dice on Dec 5, 2009 8:27:44 GMT -5
Having seen it (warning, big plot spoilers ahead!): As this one went along I can't say I was overly impressed with it. It didn't really stand out as anything special, although it wasn't particularly naff either. Just a pretty average thing. Until 15 minutes from the end. I loved it from that point on, as The Doctor walks away and everything happens behind him, the folks of Bowie Base One steadily succumbing to the flood and being sealed in. It really had that epic feel of the long march, and David Tennant had that traumatised look on his face the whole time, and you knew it was breaking his heart to do such a thing. But he knew he had to do it. Get a great contrast there of his slow walk away while the base is going into a frenzy trying to stop the flood. Then of course he goes mental. The Doctor becomes The Master basically. "We aren't just fighting the flood, we're fighting time itself, and I'M GOING TO WIN!" I would have quite liked to see more of this crazed Doctor, which would of course have led to his downfall and the passing of the flame to the Eleventh Doctor. It's another part that contrasts well with his march, and you can see the full impact of everything he has ever been through, and the ringing true of Donna's words from 'The Runaway Bride'. He need someone to stop him. The end also kept me guessing, as I thought this was David Tennant's final performance! I kept expecting Adelaide to shoot him at the end rather than the other way, but the moment she actually closed that door it was obvious what was going to happen. I really did enjoy that final fifteen minutes. As I think shows Got kind of mixed thoughts on the teaser trailer for the next one that they showed after this episode. But I'll save those thoughts for when I log in again, and when more people have had the chance to see this episode (and hopefully the teaser bit too). That was me when I was floating about occasionally while on hiatus Did you see the teaser for the Christmas Special then? Yeah, you and I pretty much had the same reactions. After the heart attack and a half the first water zombie gave me, because I'm a scaredy-cat like that, I wasn't too wild about the rest of the episode. Until THAT MOMENT where the Doctor just went insane. I was staring at the computer screen with my mouth open.
I loved how, at the end, the people he saved weren't wildly grateful or thanking him - they were afraid of him. It really set the tone for the whole episode. I knew Adelaide was going to shoot herself, and I think it's great how all Ten's recent craziness has led to this end and, as you said, the passing of the torch to Eleven. Definitely loved the throwback to Donna and "You need someone to stop you"; all along Ten's flaw has been his belief that he can always save the day; I mean, I think we've seen that in episodes from New Earth when he says "There is no higher authority" to his vengeful god-like punishments of the Family of Blood.
And yes, I saw the preview!!!! I'm SO excited for everyone that's coming back in the finale! I don't know how I'm going to survive the few days it takes the episodes to get put up online, unless BBC-America decides to broadcast it here. *dances around room* |
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Post by Morton on Dec 5, 2009 9:23:08 GMT -5
Yeah the first shock when he turned around was a minor fright, but then it was a bit... "what the hell?" for those creatures. Although how they came there and got them to work was quite impressive (they showed Doctor Who Confidential afterwards over here).
It's been the running theme for a while really, the level of ruthlessness. From the very start with Christopher Eccleston during times like when he wanted to kill the last Dalek, all the way to the genocide of the new Daleks at the end of series 4, and the way he needs someone to hold him back, to stop him from becoming The Master. Now without anyone there to hold him back.... It should be interesting to see what happens at Christmas with this episode. Although how are they going to work it, as if he meets Donna she'll remember everything and it will destroy her! Granted I'm not a great fan of Donna, but I felt she had some great moments during her time that even my distaste for Catherine Tate can't stop.
One thing has irked me though: John Simms. We all knew The Master would return after that ring was taken, but that particular form was dead, and reduced to ash. So how could they bring him back? Surely any return would have to be a new incarnation, a new regeneration of sorts.
Although that fact I do recall had a lot of David Tennant fans hoping that maybe Matt Smith would be a new regeneration for The Master rather than The Doctor. Does anybody know any details about the screening of The End of Time yet? Not sure if anything has been announced, but then again I can't say I've looked too hard  |
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Post by Dice on Dec 5, 2009 13:24:20 GMT -5
Ooh, I'll have to hunt down the Confidential on youtube and watch it. The special effects were pretty impressive (I think; I don't know that much about FX so maybe they weren't). What makes me sad, and what I just thought of, was how in Journey's End he purposely left the other Ten (10.5?) in the alternate universe BECAUSE he didn't want him becoming too proud and too angry, until he thought he was a god. And yet that's exactly what's happened to Ten in the main universe. :/ Yes, I'm fascinated as to how they'll pull it off. I've heard Rose and her mother are coming back as well, which makes me wonder how they're going to square the episode with all the previous points they've made - i.e. Rose can't come back because the universe will collapse, Donna will be destroyed if she remembers, etc. Yeah, I was surprised at John Simms coming back as the Master - I don't *mind*, exactly, because I love John Simms' portrayal, but now I'm really itching to know how this is all going to turn out!
I loved Donna, so I'm glad she'll be back but hope she won't end up going insane. |
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Post by Morton on Dec 5, 2009 15:49:58 GMT -5
Not sure why I'm spoilering this at the moment, considering the boxes aren't working, at least from where I sit. Anyhow:
Rose and Jackie again? I hope not, as it will just make it too... Journey's End. They did all that once and it worked out well for the grand finale to series 4, but to bring it back just 4 episodes later would be a bit crap to be honest. Besides, it would get extra weird as you'd have both David Tennants running around again (like Rose would leave lover boy behind!).
John Simms was quite a funny take on The Master, although I would have liked to see Derek Jacobi play The Master properly, rather than just that brief bit after Yana. I think the big question there, thinking about it, is will both get killed? We know The Doctor regenerates in this episode, but will The Master do so too? Either regenerate or more likely just get killed so he's regenerated before the next time he comes back I mean, or else John Simms will make another comeback later for Matt Smith to fight against.
Unless... Dalek Khan's prophecy that one will die.... none of the "children of time" died in Journey's End, although the Donna we all knew did in a way. Maybe now is the time for the the words of a psychotic Dalek to come to pass? Good point, I didn't think of that! He left his hybrid-clone in Rose's care so she can do to him what she did to the original in the first place. Adds another layer to it really, and worsens the end result of what happened there. The Condifential was quite interesting though. I feel very sorry for the poor actors/actresses who had to play The Flood, must have been unbearable, despite all their attitudes on screen |
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Post by Morton on Dec 16, 2009 17:40:02 GMT -5
I have just watched the Never Mind the Buzzcocks Doctor Who special, with David Tennant hosting while Catherine Tate and Bernard Cribbins are on opposing teams. Donna vs Wilf! It did make me laugh so much, with crude comments about the Doctor "getting it on" with a Dalek (cue Bernard with a WD40 comment), a dancing Ood, and Catherine Tate being monumentally thick. It was definitely good fun with a Doctor Who theme, if a bit crude. Phill Jupitus in his best Dalek voice crying "harder"... so wrong, but so funny. At least for those with a crude sense of humour It has also made me love Bernard Cribbins, as his timing was spot on throughout that with the jokes! |
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Post by Pyro notloggedin on Dec 27, 2009 0:46:17 GMT -5
End of Time part one, anyone?
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My overall thoughts: meh.
I LOVED:
- The scene in the cafe. Both B. Cribbins and Tennant knocked that out of the park.
- Donna! But I've always loved Donna. I'm very intrigued to see how they deal with her remembering.
- The Doctor's moment when he finally hears the Master's drumbeats - and the Master's "It's real!" moment. That genuinely sent chills up my spine.
- The cliffhanger. OHMYGODYOUGUYS.
The rest:
Meh. I feel sort of disappointed overall. Like the plot was really hokey and definitely not what I'd been expecting :/ Why do this silly plot with the Master turning everyone into him? And giving him weird jumping and shooting-electric-stuff superpowers? I'm rather disappointed. I though the villainous Naismith and his daughter had no development; were very strange. I don't see how they can be properly developed.
The Immortality Gate is just ridiculous. Let me ask you, what planet would create a device that would change peoples' genetic codes, across the WHOLE PLANET, based on one single template? :/
Huh. Well, I feel like the next episode is going to be REALLY good, or at least we'll get an okay episode with a smashing end, like Waters of Mars.
Your thoughts?
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Post by Killix on Dec 27, 2009 1:14:59 GMT -5
End of Time pt1...
No spoilers, I'm just going to say that I liked it.
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Post by Morton on Dec 27, 2009 16:40:13 GMT -5
Are you lot watching it YouTube or something? Because if I find out the US is receiving it at the same time as us I will be LIVID! I realise it's selfish, but it's one of a tiny handful of things worth watching that we receive before the US, and I would quite like to enjoy that tiny little bit of glory we Brits receive. We have been emasculated a lot over the years anyhow, and any victory remains a victory. Also, if the spoiler box isn't working, someone PM me and I'll try to rectify it ASAP, as it does contain spoilers. For some reason my comp isn't showing the boxes lately, so I can't tell from this end if it's working! Well... if nothing more, the idea of The Master turning everybody into himself stands true to the idea that he loves himself more than anybody else. Unfortunately the rest of The Master is really messed up... this sort of primative... animalistic version with the superpowers just doesn't work for me.
I also guessed the identity of Timothy Dalton in advance. I couldn't place the voice, but knew it wasn't Brian Cox (the Ood Elder), and then when his face appeared it was obvious he wasn't just a narrator, and that meant an important role (an actor like him wouldn't be a small role, he once played James Bond after all!). Not sure what to make of this Time Lord return though... can't decide if it's a good move or a bad one. Although it does mean a return for the Daleks, as I would guess the entry and exit of Dalek Khan and Davros broke the lock on the Time War, and released both Time Lords and Daleks. I guess it's a way to bring them back again.
I will also confess to being quite glad to see Russel T Davies leave. Kudos to the man for bringing The Doctor back, and for writing some good stories, but I've been finding his ones growing a bit stale and I am quite glad to see him step down. That sounds cruel, but I don't want it to be.
Anyhow, onto the good stuff: Wilf being back was some top notch stuff, as I do like Bernard Cribbins. The Doctor feels a bit depressive now, but I guess that suits the situation (The Master has already knocked four times). Donna, much as I dislike Catherine Tate, was good to see again as the character was good, despite the distaste for the actress. I am left wondering what'll happen to her now, as she remembers things. Is it time for the prophecy of Dalek Khan to come true?
In all, I'm quite looking forward to seeing how things pan out in Part Two, but I wasn't exactly impressed with Part One. It was enjoyable, but nothing special. A bit like The Waters of Mars really in that respect. |
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Post by Enn on Dec 27, 2009 22:21:25 GMT -5
Yes, I also want the British glory! Nothing more glorious for the Brits really, than being angry at other people enjoying something we enjoy at the same time! Rar! But not to worry, looks like we are getting the episodes a whopping 24 hours ahead of America, so all is well. On a more serious note, I liked this first episode a lot I loved the Time Lords twist at the end. And I thought it was pretty good overall, although probably not so fun for all the kids who sat down to watch it on Christmas Day since it's more drama than fun. The Master having strange jumpy/electric powers was a bit weird, but in an interesting... if over-the-top way. And I loved seeing Donna turn up.
New Year's Day should bring with it a pretty awesome episode. I just hope that, after that, with a new Doctor, new companion, new production staff, it can continue to be as good a series as it has been. |
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Post by Killix on Dec 28, 2009 14:22:53 GMT -5
Are you lot watching it YouTube or something? Because if I find out the US is receiving it at the same time as us I will be LIVID! I realise it's selfish, but it's one of a tiny handful of things worth watching that we receive before the US, and I would quite like to enjoy that tiny little bit of glory we Brits receive. We have been emasculated a lot over the years anyhow, and any victory remains a victory. Nope. North America is behind. *coughyeahit'sselfishcough* >_> I miss being able to watch it on television when it is released. Who cares what country we're in, we're all Doctor Who fans, and we all deserve to see its gloriousness equally. *dramatic Ace Attorney fistdeskslam with shining radiating light of justice* I uhh... downloaded it. XD |
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Post by Morton on Dec 28, 2009 15:25:01 GMT -5
I missed the part where I said I wasn't being selfish. Although I honestly did miss the part where I said I didn't give a crap about the fact I was being selfish.
Oh, and seeing it all equally is a two-way street, but God forbid that ever happen.
Yes, I'm very bitter, but I've grown up with waits of like 6-8 MONTHS between America getting something and us, so it is unsurprising that I would seek any slight recompense for the endless infuriation of these things, however insignificant it may be. Even with Region 0 these days, we are still left behind. We are even often falling behind Australia these days, which of the key markets did usually take even longer to get something.
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I just watched it last night and am dying to chat with someone about it before I implode with flail, since nobody I know IRL even knows what Doctor Who is ;__; 
