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Post by Crystal on Jul 6, 2004 22:30:20 GMT -5
Still, of all the people in the US, surely there's someone better than an old texan who at his darkest years, drunk, poor family relations, broke, who chooses to run for president out of the blue, just cause he knows his dad could do it. I'm sorry, but that's a pathetic choice. There has to be someone more qualified than BUSH. Frankly, I'm glad I'm not under a prime minister like him (I'm Canadian) Put simply, it's the war that tells me he shouldn't be up there at the top. War is the last, final option. There must be another option. Whatever happened to peace and reasoning with them? Gah, with idiot's on earth, peace is nothing but a dream. Like I said, I pity him. The reason I don't really dislike him is that: A) he's done nothing to me, and B) I refuse to demean myself by bashing him. You see, when I was a small girl, I was what you'd call a brat, and I admit I deserved all I got. I hung out with a group of girls whom I'd known for years and years usually. Then one day I was passing by and I heard them talking about me. "I. Hate. Her." "Such a lady dog man!" "She's like, so stuck up and arrogant!" "I wish I'd never met her, man!" It hurt. It hurt so badly I locked myself in the bathroom and cried my heart out. And I swore I'd never ever hurt someone else that way, I'd never talk behind someone else's back and say bad things about them. I've broken that many times, and each time hurt me even worse than when people did it to me, to know that I'd caused them the pain I'd suffered before myself. I hated myself for that and I'm still not sure I've forgiven myself yet. So that's why. I don't CARE what he's done. I'm sure you've all got reasons for hating him for doing what he thinks is right, and personally I don't live in the US so for all I know he might be an idiot. But I refuse to sink to the level of backstabbing him like people did to me. I know he can't see this I know he can't hear what you're saying, but I won't anyhow. I'm sorry for offending anyone. In fact I'm SURE I've offended at least a couple hundred people. But please... if you absolutely HAVE to say bad things about him, make them more polite, okay? |
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Post by Chris on Jul 6, 2004 22:59:18 GMT -5
Just don't look at this board. I think he knows. Between the polls and the websites and the movies with the ads. I think he knows. If every president or prime minister or whatever took the time to look at every bad comment about them they might as well retire and sit down with a living room full of mail.
He is a darn texan idiot. Who cheated in the election and got the vote because his daddy has friends in the surpreme court.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2004 23:13:31 GMT -5
Recounting, recounting, recounting...You know, if we went back in time and convinced people Al Gore was better, maybe 9/11 wouldn't have happened, maybe, just maybe, we wouldn't have lost all the soilders. And maybe...*dosen't want to talk about the way GWB probably screwed up her love life.*
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Post by Princess Ember Mononoke on Jul 6, 2004 23:16:51 GMT -5
Crystal, I think that is incredibly honorable.
I don't hate Bush. I think he is an idiot and a lousy president, but I think hatred is something stronger than that. I don't know. I just try to be careful about what words I use. I'll admit I'm not always very good at it, but I try.
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Post by The Wanderer on Jul 6, 2004 23:49:21 GMT -5
Just don't look at this board. I think he knows. Between the polls and the websites and the movies with the ads. I think he knows. If every president or prime minister or whatever took the time to look at every bad comment about them they might as well retire and sit down with a living room full of mail. He is a darn texan idiot. Who cheated in the election and got the vote because his daddy has friends in the surpreme court. So are you saying that all elections were fair before Bush? Let's get real people. Seeing the candidates for the next presidential election makes me wonder if the leaders of both parties are seeking what is best for this country, or if they are just seeking power for their party. If you think Kerry is a better alternative than Bush, than I would have to say you havent done your homework. Kerry is not honest, and I saw evidence of this just by watching him when he was running for candidacy for president. He's a typical baby-boomer politician, so dont expect any promises kept if he's elected. Ooh, and to demonstrate his "great intelligence," he goes and picks a man with no political experience for his running mate. So, with Nader in the mix, (maybe), you will have not one but three idiots vying for presidency. It's a win-lose situation for all of us, and we need to stop kidding ourselves, and realize that its not about what party they are affiliated with, but who will do the best things for our country, and none of the candidates have it. Here's the way I see what will happen when one of them gets elected: 1. If Bush is re-elected, then Im willing to bet that the following January, he will re-instate the draft, so that everyone can be dragged into his war. 2. If Kerry wins, he will most likely withdraw forces from Iraq, and thereby allowing Iraq to be over run by militants, causing the nation to collapse into anarchy. And it will be the U.S. that would take the blame, regardless of who's president. So maybe its time we stop whining about how bad the current president is, (because he really is), and start demanding more qualified candidates for president, instead of allowing idiots to be granted candidacy. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2004 1:25:55 GMT -5
Ok, then, Wanderer...who do we know that is not an idiot, over 35, born in the states, and has been in the US for 14 years?
...I thought so.
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Post by Crystal on Jul 7, 2004 3:53:34 GMT -5
Just don't look at this board. I think he knows. Between the polls and the websites and the movies with the ads. I think he knows. If every president or prime minister or whatever took the time to look at every bad comment about them they might as well retire and sit down with a living room full of mail. He is a darn texan idiot. Who cheated in the election and got the vote because his daddy has friends in the surpreme court. Sure he knows. But it hurts just the same. And I'm not talking about him here... I'm talking about me. I'm talking about if I could live with myself if I knew I'd went behind a person's back and backstabbed them, when I was supposed to be their friend, knowing the pain I myself went through years ago when my friends did that to me. I mean, it's not the same scenario, of course, but... Crystal, I think that is incredibly honorable. I don't hate Bush. I think he is an idiot and a lousy president, but I think hatred is something stronger than that. I don't know. I just try to be careful about what words I use. I'll admit I'm not always very good at it, but I try. O.O Me? Honorable? Wow, thanks! I don't know. The people I've come closest to bashing behind their backs is the guy who shoved me in the toilet when I was twelve and locked me in for the entire break at school. (unisex toilet). And of course the guy who made up that silly History syllabus... and stuff like that. It's more like complaining and grumbling than anything, but I went super close to it... So actually I'm not that honorable, yah.  I just try. |
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Post by Buddy on Jul 7, 2004 10:39:17 GMT -5
So are you saying that all elections were fair before Bush? Let's get real people. Seeing the candidates for the next presidential election makes me wonder if the leaders of both parties are seeking what is best for this country, or if they are just seeking power for their party. If you think Kerry is a better alternative than Bush, than I would have to say you havent done your homework. Kerry is not honest, and I saw evidence of this just by watching him when he was running for candidacy for president. He's a typical baby-boomer politician, so dont expect any promises kept if he's elected. Ooh, and to demonstrate his "great intelligence," he goes and picks a man with no political experience for his running mate. So, with Nader in the mix, (maybe), you will have not one but three idiots vying for presidency. It's a win-lose situation for all of us, and we need to stop kidding ourselves, and realize that its not about what party they are affiliated with, but who will do the best things for our country, and none of the candidates have it. Here's the way I see what will happen when one of them gets elected: 1. If Bush is re-elected, then Im willing to bet that the following January, he will re-instate the draft, so that everyone can be dragged into his war. 2. If Kerry wins, he will most likely withdraw forces from Iraq, and thereby allowing Iraq to be over run by militants, causing the nation to collapse into anarchy. And it will be the U.S. that would take the blame, regardless of who's president. So maybe its time we stop whining about how bad the current president is, (because he really is), and start demanding more qualified candidates for president, instead of allowing idiots to be granted candidacy. I think Pat has said it before, and I agree with her: Bush isn't too great, but there are no real alternatives. She brought up a good point: that is that all the people who would actually do well as President don't wanna run. They don't want to have to put up with all the scandals and crap that comes with the job. It isn't worth it to them. I'll be honest: Kerry scares me. I seriously do not trust this guy to ensure my safety. I just don't. He just doesn't hit me as an extremely strong guy. I just don't trust him. The problem is, I don't trust Bush, either! I've seen him mess up - I can at least expect him to. But based on my gauging, I can see Kerry messing up, too. So, who do I want: the guy who I've seen mess up before, or the guy who I think will mess up eventually. Decisions, decisions... Like I said, I pity him. The reason I don't really dislike him is that: A) he's done nothing to me, and B) I refuse to demean myself by bashing him. You see, when I was a small girl, I was what you'd call a brat, and I admit I deserved all I got. I hung out with a group of girls whom I'd known for years and years usually. Then one day I was passing by and I heard them talking about me. "I. Hate. Her." "Such a lady dog man!" "She's like, so stuck up and arrogant!" "I wish I'd never met her, man!" It hurt. It hurt so badly I locked myself in the bathroom and cried my heart out. And I swore I'd never ever hurt someone else that way, I'd never talk behind someone else's back and say bad things about them. I've broken that many times, and each time hurt me even worse than when people did it to me, to know that I'd caused them the pain I'd suffered before myself. I hated myself for that and I'm still not sure I've forgiven myself yet. So that's why. I don't CARE what he's done. I'm sure you've all got reasons for hating him for doing what he thinks is right, and personally I don't live in the US so for all I know he might be an idiot. But I refuse to sink to the level of backstabbing him like people did to me. I know he can't see this I know he can't hear what you're saying, but I won't anyhow. I'm sorry for offending anyone. In fact I'm SURE I've offended at least a couple hundred people. But please... if you absolutely HAVE to say bad things about him, make them more polite, okay? Crystal, I have a question. Now, I'm not trying to debate or argue you - I really do wonder! Do people in Malaysia (sp?) go after eeach other as ferociously in elections as they do here? I mean, don't people there have just as hateful feelings toward certain leaders as they do here? I always wonder if other countries hold as dirty, fierocious elections as we do, of if America just happens to be the only one... |
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Post by The Wanderer on Jul 7, 2004 10:43:14 GMT -5
I think we do have a hard road ahead, for those of us who reside in the U.S.
Look at it this way: if Bush wins, we wont have to worry about him again, after four years. And if Kerry wins, you can bet he wont win again, especially if the GOP can finally convince McCain to run for president.
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Post by Crystal on Jul 7, 2004 12:22:34 GMT -5
Crystal, I have a question. Now, I'm not trying to debate or argue you - I really do wonder! Do people in Malaysia (sp?) go after eeach other as ferociously in elections as they do here? I mean, don't people there have just as hateful feelings toward certain leaders as they do here? I always wonder if other countries hold as dirty, fierocious elections as we do, of if America just happens to be the only one... LOL, well, since I'm relatively under the age limit, I'm not so sure about it. Feel free to ignore this part, it's just background info/rambling. Over here, we have parties, not one single person going for President. (Is that the way in the US too?) The Agong (king) is a relative figurehead, and the Prime Minister is more or less the guy who actually makes the decisions. The candidate for Prime Minister is selected by the party he's representing. Right now, the party governing Malaysia is called BN (Barisan National), and consists of a coalition of MCA (Chinese) MIC(Indians) and UMNO(Malays). They're one of the more powerful because they're three races joined into one. The rivals with enough power to make a serious bid are PAS (Islamic party) and DAP (I forget.  ) Now, there are 13 states here, so each state will vote for which party they want. The odd thing is that sometimes, one party wins in one state and another wins in another state. So it's split. PAS currently rules in 2 states and BN in all the other 11. But they more or less cooperate together. Now, back to your question Buddy. Because it's parties, not one single person, it's harder to go after another person, as you say. There are some people who criticise whoever happens to be the Prime Minister, or hate this party or that, but generally they keep it more or less civil, because they're the minority there. (I myself have a sort of antipathy against PAS because of their fanatic-ness in Islam - in the states they control, guys and girls have to line up in seperate lines in shopping malls.  They use Islam to sway votes to themselves, which I also disapprove of, i.e. "If you don't vote for us that means you don't love your religion!") During election time, all these high-up people go and visit orphanages and stuff (I'm sure the US does that too) and hang their posters with the party symbol on them all over. But it's fairly strictly controlled, and a week after elections, all the posters have to be down. It's also rather encouraged to keep who you're voting for to yourself (no one knows why, we just do.) But like I said, we're not in a war... that's when actually all the decisions people dislike come up. But so far, there's been close to no hate or ferocity that I've seen (heard of it, but never seen it.) The last election was last year. Darn. That was looong. |
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Post by Buddy on Jul 7, 2004 13:00:42 GMT -5
LOL, well, since I'm relatively under the age limit, I'm not so sure about it. Feel free to ignore this part, it's just background info/rambling. Over here, we have parties, not one single person going for President. (Is that the way in the US too?) The Agong (king) is a relative figurehead, and the Prime Minister is more or less the guy who actually makes the decisions. The candidate for Prime Minister is selected by the party he's representing. Right now, the party governing Malaysia is called BN (Barisan National), and consists of a coalition of MCA (Chinese) MIC(Indians) and UMNO(Malays). They're one of the more powerful because they're three races joined into one. The rivals with enough power to make a serious bid are PAS (Islamic party) and DAP (I forget. ) Now, there are 13 states here, so each state will vote for which party they want. The odd thing is that sometimes, one party wins in one state and another wins in another state. So it's split. PAS currently rules in 2 states and BN in all the other 11. But they more or less cooperate together. Now, back to your question Buddy. Because it's parties, not one single person, it's harder to go after another person, as you say. There are some people who criticise whoever happens to be the Prime Minister, or hate this party or that, but generally they keep it more or less civil, because they're the minority there. (I myself have a sort of antipathy against PAS because of their fanatic-ness in Islam - in the states they control, guys and girls have to line up in seperate lines in shopping malls. They use Islam to sway votes to themselves, which I also disapprove of, i.e. "If you don't vote for us that means you don't love your religion!") During election time, all these high-up people go and visit orphanages and stuff (I'm sure the US does that too) and hang their posters with the party symbol on them all over. But it's fairly strictly controlled, and a week after elections, all the posters have to be down. It's also rather encouraged to keep who you're voting for to yourself (no one knows why, we just do.) But like I said, we're not in a war... that's when actually all the decisions people dislike come up. But so far, there's been close to no hate or ferocity that I've seen (heard of it, but never seen it.) The last election was last year. Darn. That was looong. Heh, I always find it interesting to learn about other countries! And yes, we have parties here too: Bush is a memeber of the Republicans, while Kerry is a member of the Democrats. What do you mean by "ruling" one state? Do you mean, the majority of people that state vote or voted for a certain party? 'Cause I guess it's kinda like that here... only figurativly (like, people in New York are more likely to vote Democratic, whereas, people in Mississippi are more likely to vote Republican). Well, very cool! Thanks! |
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Post by Jessica Coconut on Jul 7, 2004 15:30:20 GMT -5
Like I said, I pity him. The reason I don't really dislike him is that: A) he's done nothing to me, and B) I refuse to demean myself by bashing him. You see, when I was a small girl, I was what you'd call a brat, and I admit I deserved all I got. I hung out with a group of girls whom I'd known for years and years usually. Then one day I was passing by and I heard them talking about me. "I. Hate. Her." "Such a lady dog man!" "She's like, so stuck up and arrogant!" "I wish I'd never met her, man!" It hurt. It hurt so badly I locked myself in the bathroom and cried my heart out. And I swore I'd never ever hurt someone else that way, I'd never talk behind someone else's back and say bad things about them. I've broken that many times, and each time hurt me even worse than when people did it to me, to know that I'd caused them the pain I'd suffered before myself. I hated myself for that and I'm still not sure I've forgiven myself yet. So that's why. I don't CARE what he's done. I'm sure you've all got reasons for hating him for doing what he thinks is right, and personally I don't live in the US so for all I know he might be an idiot. But I refuse to sink to the level of backstabbing him like people did to me. I know he can't see this I know he can't hear what you're saying, but I won't anyhow. I'm sorry for offending anyone. In fact I'm SURE I've offended at least a couple hundred people. But please... if you absolutely HAVE to say bad things about him, make them more polite, okay? Woah, I'm sorry that happened to you Crystal. No one deserves that sort of treatment. Hmm. But I meant what I said. I never said I hated him. I just said that he's really dumb to start a war like that, and that he didn't exactly have a very good (moral, or just good, doesn't matter) background to be president. I don't hate him. I'm sure there's enough people who hate him. He hasn't really done anything to me either, but I feel for all the people he hurt with the war. |
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Post by Princess Ember Mononoke on Jul 7, 2004 15:37:19 GMT -5
That's more than a lot of people do. Yep. The real issue in this election isn't who would make the better president, but whether or not the known evil is better than the unknown evil. John McCain comes to mind. But, like Buddy and Patjade said, he's too smart to run. |
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Post by Jessica Coconut on Jul 7, 2004 15:57:47 GMT -5
To smart to run... bah.
A while ago, around December, our school alone got a very, very, special opportunity to be graced with the presence of our Prime Minister, Paul Martin. This was because we sent letters to him telling him of how multi-cultural we are, and how we're like the essence of Canada with our multi-culturalness. He came to the gym, and we stuffed 850 students, and about 100 other adults, namely media, bodyguards, and staff in the gym (INCREDIBLY crowded), he gave his little speech and then we got a question and answer time (some Canadians might have seen him on TV while he visited Vancouver, and seen the Q&A period on TV).
One student came up and asked, "I was considering a career as a politician, maybe Prime Minister one day, but I was wondering how you deal with all of the scandals and nasty things that must come with such an influencial job, and how you feel about a politician's image these days, as some people don't regard it as a very prestigeous position."
He said it's difficult, but the reason we end up with bad leaders is because the good ones never step up. If we want a good Prime Minister, some inquisitive youth like us, visionaries, that really care about the country, have to step up, and say that we want to make a difference for the better.
And it's true. How are we supposed to have good leaders if the good ones are to shy, or so-called "too smart to take the job", or scared of the bad publicity out there?
If the only person who wants the job is a moron, the moron gets the job.
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Post by Chris on Jul 7, 2004 16:45:57 GMT -5
So are you saying that all elections were fair before Bush? Let's get real people. Seeing the candidates for the next presidential election makes me wonder if the leaders of both parties are seeking what is best for this country, or if they are just seeking power for their party. If you think Kerry is a better alternative than Bush, than I would have to say you havent done your homework. Kerry is not honest, and I saw evidence of this just by watching him when he was running for candidacy for president. He's a typical baby-boomer politician, so dont expect any promises kept if he's elected. Ooh, and to demonstrate his "great intelligence," he goes and picks a man with no political experience for his running mate. So, with Nader in the mix, (maybe), you will have not one but three idiots vying for presidency. It's a win-lose situation for all of us, and we need to stop kidding ourselves, and realize that its not about what party they are affiliated with, but who will do the best things for our country, and none of the candidates have it. Here's the way I see what will happen when one of them gets elected: 1. If Bush is re-elected, then Im willing to bet that the following January, he will re-instate the draft, so that everyone can be dragged into his war. 2. If Kerry wins, he will most likely withdraw forces from Iraq, and thereby allowing Iraq to be over run by militants, causing the nation to collapse into anarchy. And it will be the U.S. that would take the blame, regardless of who's president. So maybe its time we stop whining about how bad the current president is, (because he really is), and start demanding more qualified candidates for president, instead of allowing idiots to be granted candidacy. Who EVER said that the united states was responsible for Iraq? Iraq is suppose to be a "Independent" and free nation. And tha only reason they drive car bombs everywhere is cause in general they hate us and they want control of their country. I highly doubt that ANY population would like to have another country's military run their counttry or even be in it. I am not "whining" I am simply expressing that maybe a run of the mill president is better that a moron who seems to LOVE the rich and ignores the regular american citizen. If Bush really cared about catching Osama (Afganistan is smaller than california by the way) He would have sent more troops instead of sending a bunch of our soilders to die over an old family feud in Iraq. If we did demand more qualifyed canidates the question is WHO. We can NEVER find a perfect one only one that best matches what we as an idividual(sp?) want. So I guess what I am trying to say is that we are all tired of having to pick the lesser of two evils. BUT what is the solution? Even if we demand more qualifyed candidates it dows not mean they will not be corrupted or accept bribes. The truth is that is not the solution because even if we do find the perfect president it doesn't mean he will run. No one will ever please all of us. Degrees and endorsements are nothing. What matters is what he plans to do and if you agree. |
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They use Islam to sway votes to themselves, which I also disapprove of, i.e. "If you don't vote for us that means you don't love your religion!")