Don't know what to think (Outragous reli. site)

[Jessica Coconut]

OK, I want to make a few things clear before I start this.

1. I am FEMALE (obviously) Christian, but not strongly religious.
2. This site is driving me nuts.
3. What kind of NONSENSE is all this?
4. Before you check it out, it seems to be an extremist Christian website. I'm sickened, and it seems to go against the more logic/scientific side of me.
5. I'm sorry if any of this offends any strongly religious person... I'm looking for some sort of less in my face point of view and a little help as to how I should take this site, or other Christians for that matter.
I just don't know anymore.

So... I present... objective.jesussave.us/kidz.html

Ok... it's a children's christian website. They have other "objectives" too for those interested.

But skip down to "Professor Giraffenstien" and his little moth pal. Read the questions and check out the answers.

Then go here. objective.jesussave.us/creationsciencefair.html

This is my main picky point. It's a Biblical version of a science fair... a "Creation Science Fair". Read the Middle School level, second place entry.

I'll copy it into here anyway.

2nd Place: "Women Were Designed For Homemaking"

Jonathan Goode (grade 7) applied findings from many fields of science to support his conclusion that God designed women for homemaking: physics shows that women have a lower center of gravity than men, making them more suited to carrying groceries and laundry baskets; biology shows that women were designed to carry un-born babies in their wombs and to feed born babies milk, making them the natural choice for child rearing; social sciences show that the wages for women workers are lower than for normal workers, meaning that they are unable to work as well and thus earn equal pay; and exegetics shows that God created Eve as a companion for Adam, not as a co-worker.

So. Read, remember, and rant. No, debate I mean. Mostly about the above paragraph.

*is torn apart*

[Crystal]

Eep. I'm Christian as well... and... I'm scared now...

This is what I call VERY extremist. Very very very extremist. It's the kind of people Kitty was talking about in the other board.

When will they learn that this sort of stuff is only going to turn people off from God? For goodness sakes, I read the part about athiests... and even I wanted to conk them on the head...

I went to look at the guestbook and apparently quite a lot of people (non-Christians) agree with me. I think I'll sign it - more politely.

I showed my dad the site. He took one look, shook his head and said.: Are you sure it's written by a Christian and not someone else? Most people don't think that way.

Now I don't know if HE'S right or not.

[Rider]

[glow=red,2,300]I posted. There is something seriously wrong with that site. (My own opinion. You can find the rest of my yapping on the "prayerbook".)[/glow]

[rainbowface94]

"If you find an Atheist in your neighborhood,
TELL A PARENT OR PASTOR RIGHT AWAY!

You may be moved to try and witness to
these poor lost souls yourself, however
AVOID TALKING TO THEM!

Atheists are often very grumpy and bitter and will lash out at children or they may even try to trick you into neglecting God's Word.

Very advanced witnessing techniques are needed for these grouches. Let the adults handle them."

They make atheists sound like evil people. They're implying that all atheists are bad people and that's just not true...Honestly am I scared how extremist these people are.

And that science thingy just kind of made me feel sorry for the kid who did that since he is probably going to get a lot of flames for that.

[Matt]

That site is just... stupid. I'm a Christian, and that thing is crap. Fossils are people who died in the flood? What the heck? Whoever made this crap, is not what most Christians think.

[Deleted]

I am also a Christian, and I really don't believe this. Do they have any evidence to prove that fossils are people that died in the flood? No. That is one of the most false sites that I've ever seen. One of my best friends is an athiest, and she's one of the smartest and nicest people I know. That's just...insulting.

The second site...well...let's just say I had to go into another room and punch my pillow for a few minutes befpre I came back. That is one of the most ridiculous things I've EVER seen! Ugh. Whoever gave that second place should die. And I'm NOT kidding. I get very angry when people say they can't fight me because I'm a girl(I pick fights a lot ), but...this...this is just insane. Horribly insane...

[Kiddo]

Bleh. Get used to this kinda stuff people - it's not uncommon.

Just last Sunday my brother went to a church in Marietta (he's moved out for the summer ) and found out they were preaching something unBiblical - baptism is the way to salvation and that women are inferior to men. So he got up and walked out in the middle of the service.

There's a lot of denominations out there that are just odd. Happens in every religion, somebody gets some wierd idea and bam, we've got sites like that.

Frankly though, the whole creationism fight irritates me. I mean, I think we have more important things to do than squabble over how God created the world. He's all-powerful people - he can do it any dang way he pleases. *sigh*

And as for the women thing - obviously the judges need to re-read the Bible and do a little research on the early history of the church. There were some pretty dang instramental women back then and they were certainly not just housewives.

[Crystal]

Ridergirl, said:

[glow=red,2,300]I posted. There is something seriously wrong with that site. (My own opinion. You can find the rest of my yapping on the "prayerbook".)[/glow]

Didn't see anything there after my post.

[Buddy]

Something tells me this is another one of those "fake" sites - like that "Jesus Freakin'" thing a week or two ago.

If not, well, I'm not angry. I'm sad. I pity those who truely believe this, who live their lives under such a shroud of ignorance. And for the children, who will grow up and continue to pass on this shroud of ignorance to their children.

But I'm laughing, too! I mean, just look at that creepy lamb on the front page! That thing scared the crap out of me! And did you see that thing on atheists?! Oh, that one had me in tears!

Oh, you've got to check out those "science projects". They're insane! Like this one:

"Pokemon Prove Evolutionism Is False" - Paul Sanborn (grade 4)

I mean, that's not even a serious argument! That's more like a joke making fun of it! This kind of stuff isn't even worthy of comment.

EDIT:

Kiddo said:

Frankly though, the whole creationism fight irritates me. I mean, I think we have more important things to do than squabble over how God created the world. He's all-powerful people - he can do it any dang way he pleases. *sigh*

That's how I've always felt about the whole debate - I don't really care how we got here. There are too many more important things in this world to worry about than something as trivial like that.

If people spent all the energy they spent on trying to prove one side or the other on something productive, who's to say where we'd be by now...

[Kiddo]

(will not offend anyone will not offend anyone will not offend anyone)

*crosses fingers*

Well, just realized that the site is Baptist run. Which really doesn't suprise me - they kinda scare me.

For one thing, my dad once went to a Baptist church and wound up being prayed over for being a un-saved heathen. My dad was like, "Uh, o-kay guys, but I'm Christian in case you missed that..."

So yeah. They've got some odd ideas... as to many of the major denominations nowadays it seems.

[Princess Ember Mononoke]

Blargh. The site won't show. Whenever I click the link or copy and paste the address, it takes me here: www.web1000.com/.

[Oily]

Ember said:

Blargh. The site won't show. Whenever I click the link or copy and paste the address, it takes me here: www.web1000.com/.

Same for me - maybe the host removed it due to complaints?

Pah - more suitable to carrying shopping baskets? Men are more suited to doing heavy lifting because of their muscle structure anyway

It does happen though. My friend's mother is a vicar, and she's recieved some crap about being a female pastor and how women shouldn't be fit to preach etc. Luckily, she's extremely strong and independent

[Tdyans at work]

Kiddo said:

(will not offend anyone will not offend anyone will not offend anyone)

*crosses fingers*

Well, just realized that the site is Baptist run. Which really doesn't suprise me - they kinda scare me.

For one thing, my dad once went to a Baptist church and wound up being prayed over for being a un-saved heathen. My dad was like, "Uh, o-kay guys, but I'm Christian in case you missed that..."

So yeah. They've got some odd ideas... as to many of the major denominations nowadays it seems.

(will not be offended, will not be offended)

Well, I consider myself a Baptist. My church back home is Southern Baptist, and the one I attend here is independent Baptist. I feel comfortable with the denomination as most of the things I've heard and seen preached at both churches I agree with (meaning I see Biblical evidence for it). But I must say that from what I've heard you guys say of that site (I'm not even going to look at it), it sounds as ridiculous to me as to the rest of you. I don't believe the people at either of my churches would agree with it, nor would anything happen like what happened to your father. Maybe it's a difference in geography, I don't know. Though I do know that my pastor here pointed out once that there are many churches whose teachings and practices he doesn't agree with at all who call themselves "Baptist."

But Kiddo, I really would sincerely like to hear what you consider to be some of the "odd ideas" held by Baptists, if you could PM me about that (I don't think there needs to be any more discussion about denominations on this particular thread, and this is just my personal curiosity). To the rest, I'll just say, please don't hold this site or anything else as a judgement of all Baptists, any more than you would use the actions of one person calling himself a Christian against all Christians.

EDIT: Well, I know I kind of said that should be that for this particular discussion, but I have a little more that I'd like to say now that I'm on my own computer and therefore a bit freer to do so.

I wasn't so much offended as... I don't know... hurt? Saddened? I don't know if those words quite fit the feeling, but they're the closest I can get I guess. The thing is, I really respect your opinion on most religious matters, Kiddo. Most of the time, I very much agree with it as well (what you said on the other thread on the subject of the whole husbands and wives thing was nearly exactly what I would have-- except I don't have a Jay, poor me ). And in fact, when you said this:

Kiddo said:

Bleh. Get used to this kinda stuff people - it's not uncommon.

Just last Sunday my brother went to a church in Marietta (he's moved out for the summer ) and found out they were preaching something unBiblical - baptism is the way to salvation and that women are inferior to men. So he got up and walked out in the middle of the service.

There's a lot of denominations out there that are just odd. Happens in every religion, somebody gets some wierd idea and bam, we've got sites like that.

I was nodding my head in agreement. So then to go down a few posts and find myself and other people whose opinions on religious matters I also respect and who have had and do have an impact on my faith would be seen by you as some of those odd ones because we do fall under the general category of Baptists... was disheartening for me.

But I know that we all have different opinions and disagreements on various areas of doctrine, or else there wouldn't be any denominations (how nice that would be, eh?) But there are. Is the Baptist church absolutely right on every little matter of doctrine? I really don't know. Probably not-- we're all only human, after all. My feeling, though, is that what's important they do have right-- but I'm far from believing they have a monopoly on that. When I started college here, I went to a few different churches of different denominations, but it was the Baptist church that I ended up sticking with. As I said, it's partly a matter of comfort-- they run things very much like my church back home. They differ from my church back home (and the Southern Baptist church in general) on a few minor matters, I've found, but the core values and beliefs are the same and are ones that I agree with. They preach sincerely, thoughtfully and uncompromisingly from the Bible. If I moved and found a Baptist church for which these things weren't true, I wouldn't stay just because it was "Baptist," nor would I be averse to attending a church that didn't bear that label but did meet those criteria, which are far more important than a name.

We had a message once about the fact that there are a lot of things that aren't worth fighting and causing a lot of division over. But there are a few key things that are. There's something my pastor says whenever he gives the invitation at the end of a service: "I don't care about your denomination; I care about your destination." Most important, far and above what denomination I or anyone else belongs to, I am a Christian. I have trusted Christ as my Lord and Savior.

I'm perhaps going a little further off the topic of this thread, but just feel like saying these things anyway, perhaps in light of a lot of the discussions that have been going on lately that I've chosen not to participate in. One of the most important things that was taught to me in church is the saying: "Love the sinner, hate the sin" and the fact that we're all sinners. I'm saved only by the grace of God, not because I'm better than anyone else in any way-- certainly not. And God loves every person on this earth no more or less than he does me. I certainly don't have any place to judge, (nor to condone,) anyone else for their decisions and actions. I'm to strive to do right as far as my own actions go. But when it comes to others, the commandment is to love.

[teghan62]

Okay, I'm not Christian, but I think that that site is just really messed up. o___o; The Athiest part really ticked me off - they were making them sounding like criminals or druggards! "TELL AN ADULT RIGHT AWAY." Why? What's the point? How exactly is this going to harm you?

And the Giraffe thing was just really, REALLY stupid. o___O What's teaching kids bs going to do in the future? Apparently society NEEDS science now, so it should be taught correctly - I don't even see the point of making up that crap!

And the section with pictures that kids drew - some of those really freak me out, especially the dinosaur ones. They're like, brainwashing them! o___O;

Just one - that site is bad. ; And it's not even one of a kind... there's SURE to more like it. I don't think it's a joke though.

[seraphengel]

I am Christian, and that's just horrible. I'm female, too, *also obvious. That's just wrong, and I do NOT believe God created women for the sole purpose of men, and that kid obviously got his ideas by those he was raised by. Frankly, extremists scare me. The only one who should judge is God, in my opinion and strong belief. If someone is another religion and you don't think it's right or something, then you should probably try to become their friend. Telling them that they're going to hell is just going to push them away and start making general assumptions. Not too good.