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Post by Smiley on Mar 1, 2003 22:35:14 GMT -5
North Korea is the 5 year old kid that wants attention but is largely ignored. He stands in the candy store and watches the adults with money buying the candy, but he is broke. So he causes a scene in hopes someone will pay attention and get him some candy, but it has to be on HIS terms. And something tells me that once Korea gets involved, other countries will follow. One by one, they will line up, and eventually everybody will be against everybody and the world will explode. Okay, I'm going a little far, but it won't stop at Korea. Every country that gets involved will have nothing to do with any of it, and yet they will be the center of it. It almost seems like the world really is coming to an end...darn POLITICAL POWERS!
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Post by mushroom on Mar 1, 2003 22:36:40 GMT -5
What good would that do? As my mom would say, if a problem can be fixed, there's no reason to worry about it. If it can't, there's no use worrying about it. If a problem CAN be fixed, then it IS worth worrying about it. If you worry about it, you're thinking about it. If you're thinking about it, you can find a viable solution. If you find a viable solution, you may be able to implement it. And I don't believe there ARE unfixable problems, or even problems that one person can't help fix. I mean, Ida Tarbell was just one person, and not a particularly important one before she managed to become one, but she used her talents (her writing and responsible researching) to expose the Standard Oil Company's business practices, among other things. George Washington was just one person, but his talents (leadership, mostly) managed to help form America. Maybe there are problems that don't get fixed, but that doesn't mean they couldn't've been fixed. If I work out a math problem and come up with 2+2=5, and lose points because of it, that doesn't mean that working out 2+2 correctly is impossible. And spirituality is as valid as anything else, isn't it?
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Post by Smiley on Mar 1, 2003 22:44:21 GMT -5
And spirituality is as valid as anything else, isn't it? I agree. Spirituality makes a person think and really come in touch with their senses...which is a very, very good thing. One of the things that people have been forgetting (and not just us, but EVERYBODY) is that these people...whether it be Bush and Suddam or anyone else...are supposed to be leading a COUNTRY. And in a country, there are PEOPLE. And people, well, people have basic needs...and if we go to war, well, it seems to me like all of that will be thrown out the wayside. Oil is not a basic need; we CAN live without it. So take that away, what is it about? Weapons od mass destruction! And well, we can live without those, too. Take that out, and you've got nothing, nothing to be mad about...nothing to be scared about... So we must think...if we only live with our basic needs, such as a shelter, water, and food...then would we really have a need for war? It all goes back to that...and if you think about it, we all have that! You can take away our tv's, our computers (yes, you can!), and we will still be able to survive. It's just that the world has grown so greedy that we need more, and as a consequence, we will all be destroyed (eventually). That is what I think
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Post by mushroom on Mar 1, 2003 22:45:39 GMT -5
And something tells me that once Korea gets involved, other countries will follow. One by one, they will line up, and eventually everybody will be against everybody and the world will explode. Okay, I'm going a little far, but it won't stop at Korea. Every country that gets involved will have nothing to do with any of it, and yet they will be the center of it. It almost seems like the world really is coming to an end...darn POLITICAL POWERS! Don't you mean 'DANG MISUSE OF POLITICAL POWERS!'? Power, political or otherwise, can be used effectively and well to bring positive results. Misused power, political or otherwise, can bring disaster, on a personal, national, or worldwide level.
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Post by Princess Ember Mononoke on Mar 1, 2003 22:46:14 GMT -5
And spirituality is as valid as anything else, isn't it? Naturally. In many cases even more so. But if I start to get to weird for you, feel free to say so. "And whenever it seems like the world isn't perfect, just remember: God knows something you don't." -me
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Post by Smiley on Mar 1, 2003 22:49:28 GMT -5
Don't you mean 'DANG MISUSE OF POLITICAL POWERS!'? Power, political or otherwise, can be used effectively and well to bring positive results. Misused power, political or otherwise, can bring disaster, on a personal, national, or worldwide level. Well, yes...I suppose your right. When politics first started there must have been very few problems...until it began to be used in the way we are seeing today. So, yes, I mean "darn MISUSE OF POLITICAL POWERS!" I think I worded it the other way just because if there were no political powers, all of this would have never happened...
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Post by Patjade on Mar 1, 2003 22:49:33 GMT -5
Yes...that is true. I guess that is the way it goes...but it just seems so scary. Now I am thinking: If we go to war, what will happen? Well, nothing good, I presume. We got ourselves mixed up with a bad situation, and now we're about to make it worse...so, here I go: The U.S. is stupid. There, I said it. We should have never started this (if it was us who did) and if we didn't, we should have backed out. Not the USA as a whole. Just certain people. It's like that all over the world.
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Post by Patjade on Mar 1, 2003 22:50:57 GMT -5
Don't you mean 'DANG MISUSE OF POLITICAL POWERS!'? Power, political or otherwise, can be used effectively and well to bring positive results. Misused power, political or otherwise, can bring disaster, on a personal, national, or worldwide level. Bravo, well said.
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Post by mushroom on Mar 1, 2003 23:02:34 GMT -5
One of the things that people have been forgetting (and not just us, but EVERYBODY) is that these people...whether it be Bush and Suddam or anyone else...are supposed to be leading a COUNTRY. And in a country, there are PEOPLE. And people, well, people have basic needs...and if we go to war, well, it seems to me like all of that will be thrown out the wayside. Oil is not a basic need; we CAN live without it. So take that away, what is it about? Weapons od mass destruction! And well, we can live without those, too. Take that out, and you've got nothing, nothing to be mad about...nothing to be scared about... So we must think...if we only live with our basic needs, such as a shelter, water, and food...then would we really have a need for war? It all goes back to that...and if you think about it, we all have that! You can take away our tv's, our computers (yes, you can!), and we will still be able to survive. It's just that the world has grown so greedy that we need more, and as a consequence, we will all be destroyed (eventually). You've taken away all technology except what we need to produce food, shelter, and water. You're right, there is no war now. Oh, wait, that other technology-less guy is eating out of MY berry bush! I've gotta go stop him! And if he has a family, they'll be mad at me, so I'll go get my family to help me kill them all so they won't get revenge on us first! Technology isn't the problem. Humans are.
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Post by Smiley on Mar 1, 2003 23:11:50 GMT -5
You've taken away all technology except what we need to produce food, shelter, and water. You're right, there is no war now. Oh, wait, that other technology-less guy is eating out of MY berry bush! I've gotta go stop him! And if he has a family, they'll be mad at me, so I'll go get my family to help me kill them all so they won't get revenge on us first! Technology isn't the problem. Humans are. Well, It's not just humans, either. Animals do this, too...so, if you go way back...well, it's hard to say what the problem is, but there is one nonetheless. And it follows a certain pattern as all problems do. If you break it down, it's the same...always. And so is the solution. If you just analyze the whole thing, you'll find a solution...but the bigger the problem, the harder it is to solve. Since this is a big problem, well, we're gonna have some trouble...
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Post by mushroom on Mar 1, 2003 23:22:41 GMT -5
Well, It's not just humans, either. Animals do this, too...so, if you go way back...well, it's hard to say what the problem is, but there is one nonetheless. And it follows a certain pattern as all problems do. If you break it down, it's the same...always. And so is the solution. If you just analyze the whole thing, you'll find a solution...but the bigger the problem, the harder it is to solve. Since this is a big problem, well, we're gonna have some trouble... I guess the real root of the problem is that all entities cabable of doing so will defend themselves when provoked, and all entities occasionally misidentify the source or defend themselves in an unnecessarily destructive manner, which sometimes causes the defended-against entity to be provoked as well, which may cause the defended-against entity to also make a mistake in defending itself. I don't think we're going to be solving that one any time soon. And, while it is a valuable insight, it probably won't help to know the general, underlying cause in this situation--we pretty much already knew that. Someone was provoked and responded badly, someone else was provoked by the bad response and responded badly, and now it's coming down to a possible war.
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Post by Smiley on Mar 1, 2003 23:25:36 GMT -5
I guess the real root of the problem is that all entities cabable of doing so will defend themselves when provoked, and all entities occasionally misidentify the source or defend themselves in an unnecessarily destructive manner, which sometimes causes the defended-against entity to be provoked as well, which may cause the defended-against entity to also make a mistake in defending itself. I don't think we're going to be solving that one any time soon. And, while it is a valuable insight, it probably won't help to know the general, underlying cause in this situation--we pretty much already knew that. Someone was provoked and responded badly, someone else was provoked by the bad response and responded badly, and now it's coming down to a possible war. Yes, well put. Basically...to me, it's too late to pull out now. It will happen, whether we like it or not. What exactly will happen, though, is yet to be decided...
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Post by Gelquie on Mar 1, 2003 23:26:30 GMT -5
Here is a saying I thought up of just today:
"I would rather have people die searching for new worlds than have people die by going to war."
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Post by Smiley on Mar 1, 2003 23:29:41 GMT -5
Here is a saying I thought up of just today: "I would rather have people die searching for new worlds than have people die by going to war." I like that...although this isn't a war of land, I think it still complies
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Post by calvinseviltwin on Mar 2, 2003 9:21:09 GMT -5
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D That really is a compliment, you know, because everyone says that I'm basicly his clone minus the y-chromosome. Heeh. And put an X chrom in there too ember. o.O I think this can sort of relate to a Calvin and Hobbes story (doesn't everything?) Anyways in "It's a Magical World" there's one story line in which aliens land in Calvin's back yard and demand to talk to supreme earth ruler. Calvin pretends to be so and sells the aliens earth for 50 alien leaves. "You know the aliens are going to rule the earth now." "Well it's not like grown-ups have been doing such a bangup job"-Hobbes and Calvin Also, in a different comic (attack of the...snowgoons) Calvin asks his father "How does soliders killing each other solve the world's problems?" Calvin's father looks and blinks. In the final pannel calvin is elsewhere saying "I think grownups only pretend to know what they're doing." *sighs* so many lessons to be learned from that Kid.
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