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Post by noremac9 on Mar 1, 2003 21:18:37 GMT -5
Actually, it has nothing to do with 9-11, or hatred. It's all about oil. We say they might have nukes, well guess what, SO DOES SOUTH KOREA! But we have announced we're not going in there, even though they can hit the west coast, and even though they practically dared us to. Oil. Mark my words, when we finish off Iraq, the first thing we'll do is build a pipeline.
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Post by calvinseviltwin on Mar 1, 2003 21:21:17 GMT -5
Actually, it has nothing to do with 9-11, or hatred. It's all about oil. We say they might have nukes, well guess what, SO DOES SOUTH KOREA! But we have announced we're not going in there, even though they can hit the west coast, and even though they practically dared us to. Oil. Mark my words, when we finish off Iraq, the first thing we'll do is build a pipeline. Yeah... oil's a big factor. I'll say this once F--- George W. Bush |
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Post by LDF on Mar 1, 2003 21:21:24 GMT -5
I hate living in a war-filled world. It majorly SUCKS darn it... Why can't everyone just get along...? I mean... there's all this
killing...
shooting...
bombing...
dying...
Someone should speak out and say that this is f------ frikin wrong! War doesn't solve problems, killing, shooting, bombing and dying don't solve anything either!
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Post by Princess Ember Mononoke on Mar 1, 2003 21:25:20 GMT -5
Listen you guys, my dad is a REALLY, INCREDIBLY smart person (and he has certain low-rank connections), and he has a theory on all of this.
He thinks that the White House's intelligence people are telling Bush that he needs to push HARD to get Iraq to destroy its weapons. He has to make it clear to Hussein that he really WILL be in trouble if he doesn't do it. At the beginning, Saddam denied having any weapons. Now he is saying that he will destroy the weapons that he supposedly doesn't have. He's probably lying, but it is now a step closer: he admits that he has them.
Basicly, Saddam is like a little kid bully who, when the teacher tells him to stop, starts pushing the limits. He goes down less and less but keeps doing it, until finally the teacher rushes at him with a yard stick.
Whether or not the teacher would actually USE the yard stick is the real question. My dad thinks that it is a possibility that Bush is just putting on a REALLY grand show, since that is the only way to get Hussein to back down. But it is ALSO posssible that it isn't a show, and that even if Hussein does do everything asked, the teacher will still spank him. THAT is when things will get ugly. But as it is, my parents are still hopeful that there might not be a war at all. And, like I said, my dad is INCREDIBLY smart. He doesn't cling to impossible hopes.
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Post by calvinseviltwin on Mar 1, 2003 21:26:15 GMT -5
Listen you guys, my dad is a REALLY, INCREDIBLY smart person (and he has certain low-rank connections), and he has a theory on all of this. He thinks that the White House's intelligence people are telling Bush that he needs to push HARD to get Iraq to destroy its weapons. He has to make it clear to Hussein that he really WILL be in trouble if he doesn't do it. At the beginning, Saddam denied having any weapons. Now he is saying that he will destroy the weapons that he supposedly doesn't have. He's probably lying, but it is now a step closer: he admits that he has them. Basicly, Saddam is like a little kid bully who, when the teacher tells him to stop, starts pushing the limits. He goes down less and less but keeps doing it, until finally the teacher rushes at him with a yard stick. Whether or not the teacher would actually USE the yard stick is the real question. My dad thinks that it is a possibility that Bush is just putting on a REALLY grand show, since that is the only way to get Hussein to back down. But it is ALSO posssible that it isn't a show, and that even if Hussein does do everything asked, the teacher will still spank him. THAT is when things will get ugly. But as it is, my parents are still hopeful that there might not be a war at all. And, like I said, my dad is INCREDIBLY smart. He doesn't clean to impossible hopes. Correction. Your dad's a genuis. |
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Post by sollunaestrella on Mar 1, 2003 21:31:21 GMT -5
Listen you guys, my dad is a REALLY, INCREDIBLY smart person (and he has certain low-rank connections), and he has a theory on all of this. He thinks that the White House's intelligence people are telling Bush that he needs to push HARD to get Iraq to destroy its weapons. He has to make it clear to Hussein that he really WILL be in trouble if he doesn't do it. At the beginning, Saddam denied having any weapons. Now he is saying that he will destroy the weapons that he supposedly doesn't have. He's probably lying, but it is now a step closer: he admits that he has them. Basicly, Saddam is like a little kid bully who, when the teacher tells him to stop, starts pushing the limits. He goes down less and less but keeps doing it, until finally the teacher rushes at him with a yard stick. Whether or not the teacher would actually USE the yard stick is the real question. My dad thinks that it is a possibility that Bush is just putting on a REALLY grand show, since that is the only way to get Hussein to back down. But it is ALSO posssible that it isn't a show, and that even if Hussein does do everything asked, the teacher will still spank him. THAT is when things will get ugly. But as it is, my parents are still hopeful that there might not be a war at all. And, like I said, my dad is INCREDIBLY smart. He doesn't clean to impossible hopes. That makes sense. It would make me very happy if this was solved without a war, but I'm really, as I said before, not sure where I stand. War is generally evil--but sometimes there really is a time for it, and I'm in no position to decide whether war is needed or not as all talk of it utterly confuses me, and, as I said on another thread on this topic, we're not getting the entire story no matter how closely we pay attention to the news. The media here is probably distorting Saddam's evilness, and the media there is probably distorting our...well, I guess "egotism" fits. As I said on that thread, even bad leaders have to do some things right. I'm not saying by any means that Saddam Hussein is a great person or anything close to it, but I think he is probably exaggerated just a little in our eyes. And that is a chunk of the reasoning behind my undecidedness. |
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Post by TK on Mar 1, 2003 21:32:04 GMT -5
Correction. Your dad's a genuis. Well put! Man, your dad is smart! He thought of that theory? Connections or not, that would take a lot of thinking. |
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Post by calvinseviltwin on Mar 1, 2003 21:33:21 GMT -5
Well put! Man, your dad is smart! He thought of that theory? Connections or not, that would take a lot of thinking. Yes... it would. I bow to your father Ember! |
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Post by noremac9 on Mar 1, 2003 21:35:02 GMT -5
I hate living in a war-filled world. It majorly SUCKS darn it... Why can't everyone just get along...? I mean... there's all this killing... shooting... bombing... dying... Someone should speak out and say that this is f------ frikin wrong! War doesn't solve problems, killing, shooting, bombing and dying don't solve anything either! No, it doesn't solve anything, but it can get money, power, land, and in this case, oil. That's what war's about: power. Leader's desire it; all leaders. If they didn't then they wouldn't be leaders... War can be about a lot, but that's the most common reason. |
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Post by Smiley on Mar 1, 2003 21:36:21 GMT -5
That makes sense. It would make me very happy if this was solved without a war, but I'm really, as I said before, not sure where I stand. War is generally evil--but sometimes there really is a time for it, and I'm in no position to decide whether war is needed or not as all talk of it utterly confuses me, and, as I said on another thread on this topic, we're not getting the entire story no matter how closely we pay attention to the news. The media here is probably distorting Saddam's evilness, and the media there is probably distorting our...well, I guess "egotism" fits. As I said on that thread, even bad leaders have to do some things right. I'm not saying by any means that Saddam Hussein is a great person or anything close to it, but I think he is probably exaggerated just a little in our eyes. And that is a chunk of the reasoning behind my undecidedness. That's pretty much how I feel, too. I don't know enough about the whole situation to really pick a side in it. But since everything is exaggerated and stretched oh so thin, I'm not sure if even half of the information is correct. Maybe Bush is right--you never know. But either way, I don't really want a war. Bush isn't to blame, though. Maybe it isn't even Suddam. Who knows whats going on...this world is so f***ed up! I'm really glad this thread was started...I now get to really talk about my opinions and hear yours.  |
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Post by Smiley on Mar 1, 2003 21:38:22 GMT -5
Yes... it would. I bow to your father Ember! Me, too! I love that explanation! Gives a whole new outlook on the whole debate...but still, I am a little scared about the war and such. It could get ugly, no matter what. Everything seems like it's a possibility these days...  |
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Post by TK on Mar 1, 2003 21:41:36 GMT -5
It takes two people (or more) to start a war. It isn't the fault of Suddam, it isn't the fault of Bush. They've both attibuted to war.
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Post by Princess Ember Mononoke on Mar 1, 2003 21:42:30 GMT -5
Correction. Your dad's a genuis. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D That really is a compliment, you know, because everyone says that I'm basicly his clone minus the y-chromosome. |
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Post by Smiley on Mar 1, 2003 21:44:28 GMT -5
It takes two people (or more) to start a war. It isn't the fault of Suddam, it isn't the fault of Bush. They've both attibuted to war. Yes; which is why we shouldn't go blaming them. It isn;t anyone's fault... |
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Post by mushroom on Mar 1, 2003 21:44:35 GMT -5
If Bush were to start bombing now--no, I wouldn't support that. If our relationship with Iraq goes downhill very steeply, or if better evidence is produced--well...that could be a different story, and maybe I'd support war then. Who knows what'll happen next year, or next month, or tomorrow?
Wars in general are bad, but there are some that I believe are necessary.
And the North Korea thing--well, from what I understand, the leaders there haven't been killing off their own people, and they can't not realize that's what they'd be doing if they bombed the U.S.
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