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Post by sensei on Feb 21, 2003 8:29:37 GMT -5
Yes, but somebody had to put in talent and work to make those movies good. Disney currently goes more for easy bucks. I guess when you're a corrupt old man with lots of money and lots more potential money, you'll try to get that potential money... but won't risk too much of your current money for that potential money, so you hafta make cheap crap that makes double/triple/quadruple + of what it cost. Think of Disney as a whole bunch of those old men.
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Post by sara on Mar 1, 2003 1:42:48 GMT -5
Yes, this is something of an old topic. Guess what? You're going to have to live with it. Or die because of it - but I'd rather you just lived with it, OK? Anyway, I am 80% convinced that Sprited Away will win the Oscar. The reasoning is simple. Disney will be happier (like this ---> ) if Spirited Away wins than if Lilo & Stitch wins. Lilo is the only real competitor. Disney made Lilo. The Oscar people don't want to make the winners of the Oscars to be unhappy because they won for that movie. So, regardless whether they consider Lilo or SA to be the better movie, they will pick SA, If they felt Lilo was the most deserving, they'd naturally want to do Disney a favor by giving the Oscar to SA. Understand my logic? So, since the Oscars are in late March, I'd start expecting to see SA in theatres around the beggining of April - not too long before it was to be released on DVD (April 15) as well as the VHS/DVD of another Miyzaki movie dubbed & distributed by Disney, Castle in the Sky (also April 15) EDIT : Not to mention that, although I haven't seen either movie, and they are both excellent from what I hear, probably Spirited Away is probably the more deserving movie, especially since Miyazaki is not recognized enough if nothing else.
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Post by calvinseviltwin on Mar 1, 2003 10:51:41 GMT -5
Yes, this is something of an old topic. Guess what? You're going to have to live with it. Or die because of it - but I'd rather you just lived with it, OK? Anyway, I am 80% convinced that Sprited Away will win the Oscar. The reasoning is simple. Disney will be happier (like this ---> ) if Spirited Away wins than if Lilo & Stitch wins. Lilo is the only real competitor. Disney made Lilo. The Oscar people don't want to make the winners of the Oscars to be unhappy because they won for that movie. So, regardless whether they consider Lilo or SA to be the better movie, they will pick SA, If they felt Lilo was the most deserving, they'd naturally want to do Disney a favor by giving the Oscar to SA. Understand my logic? So, since the Oscars are in late March, I'd start expecting to see SA in theatres around the beggining of April - not too long before it was to be released on DVD (April 15) as well as the VHS/DVD of another Miyzaki movie dubbed & distributed by Disney, Castle in the Sky (also April 15) EDIT : Not to mention that, although I haven't seen either movie, and they are both excellent from what I hear, probably Spirited Away is probably the more deserving movie, especially since Miyazaki is not recognized enough if nothing else. I don't exactly follow.
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Post by sara on Mar 1, 2003 19:07:32 GMT -5
Let's say your friends were all writing stories for a contest, and you were one of the judges. There are two stories which you feel are the best, but you know one of the writers will be much happier if the other good writer wins the competition than if they win themself. Who do you pick? And as I said previously, it's entirely to Disney's advantage to have Spirited Away win. If Lilo wins, that isn't going to have more than a moderate effect on the sales of the movie. If Spirited Away wins - and Disney has the American distribution rights for the movie - then it will instantly become a blockbuster film, and Disney will have another major moolah-maker.
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Post by calvinseviltwin on Mar 1, 2003 20:49:29 GMT -5
Let's say your friends were all writing stories for a contest, and you were one of the judges. There are two stories which you feel are the best, but you know one of the writers will be much happier if the other good writer wins the competition than if they win themself. Who do you pick? And as I said previously, it's entirely to Disney's advantage to have Spirited Away win. If Lilo wins, that isn't going to have more than a moderate effect on the sales of the movie. If Spirited Away wins - and Disney has the American distribution rights for the movie - then it will instantly become a blockbuster film, and Disney will have another major moolah-maker. Ah! Now I understand. BTW I found out the plot of the new 'Lilo and Stitch' TV series. (my parents are disney freaks so they subscribe to a dozen diff. magazines found an article aobut it) The basic overlook is all the other experiments escaped and landed on Hawaii so it's up to Lilo and Stitch to turn them 'good'.
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Post by Princess Ember Mononoke on Mar 1, 2003 20:53:05 GMT -5
Ah! Now I understand. BTW I found out the plot of the new 'Lilo and Stitch' TV series. (my parents are disney freaks so they subscribe to a dozen diff. magazines found an article aobut it) The basic overlook is all the other experiments escaped and landed on Hawaii so it's up to Lilo and Stitch to turn them 'good'. Oh YUCK. Why can't they let a good movie be?
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Post by calvinseviltwin on Mar 1, 2003 20:54:00 GMT -5
Oh YUCK. Why can't they let a good movie be? It all dates back to the all mighty dollar.
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Post by sollunaestrella on Mar 1, 2003 20:56:14 GMT -5
Oh YUCK. Why can't they let a good movie be? No kidding.
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Post by TK on Mar 1, 2003 21:00:30 GMT -5
Pteri Pan, Cinderella, Jungle Book, Hunchback of Notre Dame...they've wrecked enough movies with sequels, let's not wreck another with a TV SERIES!
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Post by sollunaestrella on Mar 1, 2003 21:04:17 GMT -5
Pteri Pan, Cinderella, Jungle Book, Hunchback of Notre Dame...they've wrecked enough movies with sequels, let's not wreck another with a TV SERIES! I know! I mean, Cinderella is a fairy tale, for goodness' sake. They can't just make up a sequel because Cinderella is a classic and nothing they do will ever be as good as the classics that they've made. Every single ad I've seen for the sequel of a classic angers me...and they just keep coming. No one I know disagrees with me about this; I doubt those movies are making them much, so they might as well stop wasting their money on them. Really.
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Post by calvinseviltwin on Mar 1, 2003 21:06:04 GMT -5
I know! I mean, Cinderella is a fairy tale, for goodness' sake. They can't just make up a sequel because Cinderella is a classic and nothing they do will ever be as good as the classics that they've made. Every single ad I've seen for the sequel of a classic angers me...and they just keep coming. No one I know disagrees with me about this; I doubt those movies are making them much, so they might as well stop wasting their money on them. Really. I think one of the better disney sequals was Fantasia 2000 because it really had no particular plot.
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Post by Princess Ember Mononoke on Mar 1, 2003 21:14:48 GMT -5
I think one of the better disney sequals was Fantasia 2000 because it really had no particular plot. Fantasia wasn't a sequal so much as a continued tradition, if you read the story behind it. In my opinion, the only sequal worthy of its original was with the Toy Story duo. And LOTR doesn't count, because it's really 1 movie broken into three parts, not three different movies.
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Post by sara on Mar 1, 2003 21:39:36 GMT -5
The Aladdin TV series wasn't that bad ... I don't remember much about it, but my dad talks about how is was better than the other children's television series of that time.
And the Donald Duck/Uncle Scrooge comic books from the '50's are very good, even though you could say they were just spin-offs from the cartoons.
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Post by Tdyans on Mar 1, 2003 22:42:36 GMT -5
The Aladdin TV series wasn't that bad ... I don't remember much about it, but my dad talks about how is was better than the other children's television series of that time. Tries to remember... I know I watched that one, so it couldn't have been terrible. Of course, it was part of the Disney afternoon line-up. I think Tailspin was in there too. That was an interesting cartoon-- it had Baloo and Louie and Bagheera from The Jungle Book, but the show's plot and setup were entirely different from that movie (the animals were basically people)-- almost like an alternate universe sort of thing. And it was good-- maybe because it wasn't trying to duplicate or live off of the former glory of a classic movie, it was trying to do something completely different. At the end of the block was Gargoyles, a really great cartoon... until they moved it to Saturday mornings and really dumbed it down. Speaking of Fantasia and sequels and all that stuff (and just to get a little further off the original topic of this thread), they're making a Fantasia 2006 now. I was looking up upcoming Disney projects the other night for some strange reason and found that, among many other things. They're also working on something called "Brother Bear" that's supposedly going to be the next thing out. It sounded like a rather troubled movie, but the site's writers also pointed out that the Lion King was quite an underdog in the studio until it got into the theaters too. And after that is supposed to be something called "Home on the Range," a Western comedy with cow protagonists, which actually sounds like it could be quite good to me, especially b/c it's actually getting back to being an animated *musical*.
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Post by sara on Mar 2, 2003 0:40:50 GMT -5
I very vaguely remember Tailspin. I remember there was this anthro-fox girl type, and there was also that duck/goose pilot that was also in Darkwing Duck. My dad also said that was one of the better children's cartoons. *Laughs* My oh my, these things keep on interelating ... I read somewhere that Tailspin was influenced by Castle in the Sky (or the proper Japanese title, "Tenku no Shiro Rayputa", which literally translates as "Sky's Castle Rayputa").
It's a small world after all...
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