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Post by Killix on May 30, 2017 22:28:45 GMT -5
The Trial:
I do wonder why White Diamond didn't show up...
My theory is that White Diamond was a fusion of Yellow, Blue and Pink Diamond. :D
She's not around because since Pink died, White cannot exist any more.
Of course, that could be easily proven completely wrong if she shows up in any of the upcoming episodes. XD
Oh, I've kind of got the impression that Blue Pearl might just kind of tolerates her job. I spotted her standing like this while Blue wasn't looking, which looks like 'impatience' to me.
I also noticed she was already waiting to close the door in the zoo before Blue Diamond asked her to. It also seemed like she let her mind wander after, seeing as Yellow Pearl had to get her attention. XD
She did seem rather bored by the whole thing, didn't she? The doodle of Steven doing the jump kick. XD
Yellow Pearl also had to get Blue Pearl's attention when they were cued to start singing "What's the use in Feeling, Blue". XD Maybe she just gets lost her own thoughts often.
But speaking of the Pearls... that glance exchanged between Yellow Pearl and Blue Pearl when Blue Zircon asked where Pink Diamond's Pearl was during the whole assassination thing.
They know something. >_> <_<
Pearl did it.
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Post by Omni on May 30, 2017 23:29:05 GMT -5
The Trial:
I do wonder why White Diamond didn't show up...
My theory is that White Diamond was a fusion of Yellow, Blue and Pink Diamond.  She's not around because since Pink died, White cannot exist any more. Of course, that could be easily proven completely wrong if she shows up in any of the upcoming episodes. XD The idea of White being a Fusion has crossed my mind, though I personally think it's unlikely. XD It seems like there are hints that make it not add up. (For example: In Lapis' flashbask, the Diamond Attack consists of yellow, blue, AND white colors.) Granted, we don't know for sure.
Oh, I've kind of got the impression that Blue Pearl might just kind of tolerates her job. I spotted her standing like this while Blue wasn't looking, which looks like 'impatience' to me.
I also noticed she was already waiting to close the door in the zoo before Blue Diamond asked her to. It also seemed like she let her mind wander after, seeing as Yellow Pearl had to get her attention. XD
She did seem rather bored by the whole thing, didn't she? The doodle of Steven doing the jump kick. XD
Yellow Pearl also had to get Blue Pearl's attention when they were cued to start singing "What's the use in Feeling, Blue". XD Maybe she just gets lost her own thoughts often.
But speaking of the Pearls... that glance exchanged between Yellow Pearl and Blue Pearl when Blue Zircon asked where Pink Diamond's Pearl was during the whole assassination thing.
They know something. >_> <_<
Pearl did it.
That was actually what I was referring to when I mentioned having to get Blue Pearl's attention. XD;
Oh yeah! I remember noticing the glance between Pearls. I don't know how I forgot! XD Yes, I agree that they know something. Or at least, something might have occurred to them. |
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Post by Gelquie on May 30, 2017 23:29:39 GMT -5
Finished watching the Steven Bomb and... Woah.Regarding Off Colors and Lars' Head: Welp, uh... That explains a whole lot about Lion.
So much for my theory that Lion is secretly an aspect of Rose that she left behind. xD Apparently, he's just a resurrected lion.
(I wonder how this will affect Lars' growth? I mean, we don't know Lion's age; for all we know, he may be well beyond the lifespan of normal lions.)
I'm also glad to see Lars developing character. It was much needed. xD I wonder how much this'll stick?
Either way, I wonder if he'll grow out his hair to properly facilitate world-jumps. Or if he's stuck looking like that forever, or at least looks like that for a much longer period of time than normal.
(My theory regarding the aging of Rose Quartz resurrected beings is that they'll probably age slower and live longer, but not forever. My main reason for thinking this is the slow heartbeat he seems to have, which demonstrates that he's still going, just very slowly.)
As for not-Lars related stuff, regarding Padparadscha, given that her powers aren't really all that helpful, I wonder why she hasn't gotten into the habit of not talking about her visions? Unless beings with Sapphire-like powers feel compelled to mention their visions to others, but then CG!Sapphire seems to be alright not mentioning her visions all the time.
(Or maybe she's just used to always telling/showing them to CG!Ruby and thus doesn't feel the need to mention it to others.)
Or maybe she just really finds joy in talking about her visions as a personality trait and the others have always humored her.
EDIT: Or maybe they can be more helpful if they describe recent events that the off-color group isn't there for? Would keep them up to date on what's happening elsewhere without risking going out. Okay, now the other thing: The Trial So uh. Lots of stuff there. A lot more said about the actual events of Pink Diamond's shattering, and... That ending. Wow.  I was pretty ready to believe it was Rose Quartz... and for all we know, it still might be. But Blue Zircon's case is pretty compelling, yikes. The scene seems to set us up for us to believe that Yellow Diamond did it... but I'm not so sure. Maybe she did, but I feel like her (briefly-seen) grief concerning Pink Diamond was genuine. I feel like she more smashed the Zircons out of a "HOW DARE YOU ACCUSE A DIAMOND" thing than any guilt. Unless that guilt is "oof, I shouldn't have killed PD," but... I don't know, I honestly don't think it's Yellow Diamond. (Or maybe it was White Diamond, but I still wonder if she's a fusion, for the same reasons Killix stated. Though yeah, a single appearance of White Diamond with any of the other diamonds will debunk that theory right then and there. xD ) Actually, I completely agree with Killix's theory. Towards the end of the argument, I started thinking "...wait a minute, PEARL?!". And... that's actually one of my leading theories right now. Tied with the fact that Rose Quartz did do it. Maybe it was that Pearl and RQ tag-teamed it. I... really don't know. I guess the question is if Pearl was Pink Diamond's Pearl initially, or even if she wasn't, if she could stand in for PD's Pearl convincingly. But then RQ was already a fugitive before PD's shattering, so then I wonder if Pearl had already switched sides before then, switched sides since the beginning, or switched sides after PD's shattering. I am left with so many more questions than I came in with. ='D Unless I missed something. Either way, I'll definitely be rewatching this episode soon as some point. Tl;dr: I HAVE SO MANY QUESTIONS |
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Post by Omni on May 31, 2017 0:16:58 GMT -5
Finished watching the Steven Bomb and... Woah.Regarding Off Colors and Lars' Head:
As for not-Lars related stuff, regarding Padparadscha, given that her powers aren't really all that helpful, I wonder why she hasn't gotten into the habit of not talking about her visions? Unless beings with Sapphire-like powers feel compelled to mention their visions to others, but then CG!Sapphire seems to be alright not mentioning her visions all the time.
It seems to me like Padparadsha doesn't realize she's seeing the recent past. I also think maybe Sapphires aren't always looking into the future (if Garnet is any indication), but Padparadsha seems like she's somehow stuck (possibly another flaw). I think her shouting out her 'predictions' basically amounts to "I'M HELPING! oD" Okay, now the other thing: The Trial The scene seems to set us up for us to believe that Yellow Diamond did it... but I'm not so sure. Maybe she did, but I feel like her (briefly-seen) grief concerning Pink Diamond was genuine. I feel like she more smashed the Zircons out of a "HOW DARE YOU ACCUSE A DIAMOND" thing than any guilt. Unless that guilt is "oof, I shouldn't have killed PD," but... I don't know, I honestly don't think it's Yellow Diamond.
(Or maybe it was White Diamond, but I still wonder if she's a fusion, for the same reasons Killix stated. Though yeah,
a single appearance of White Diamond with any of the other diamonds will debunk that theory right then and there.
xD )
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I guess the question is if Pearl was Pink Diamond's Pearl initially, or even if she wasn't, if she could stand in for PD's Pearl convincingly. But then RQ was already a fugitive before PD's shattering, so then I wonder if Pearl had already switched sides before then, switched sides since the beginning, or switched sides after PD's shattering.
I am left with so many more questions than I came in with. ='D Unless I missed something. Either way, I'll definitely be rewatching this episode soon as some point. Yeah, I looked over it again, and while Yellow's behavior might be masking something, it also seems like it could be genuine. Even if she's hiding something, it might not be involvement. I agree that smashing the Zircons might have been out of insult. (By the way, anyone else notice that when Yellow Zircon was struck, her form looked like Garnet's did when she was destabilized?) But yeah, I think it's more likely a red herring. Or maybe it's just the way the actress interpreted the lines.
Though if there's anything to my theories of Pink's and White's personalities, I do agree that it might have been White. By my theories, it could also have also been Pink herself. =o
Reminds me: I think a good question in this case is not so much whether a Diamond shattered her (and of so, which) but why a Diamond would shatter her.
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At the very least, we've seen flashbacks of Pearl talking to Rose before the rebellion (Rose's Scabbard) and Pearl helping Rose attack the Cloud Arena (The Answer). I personally doubt she switched sided after that (even if she considered it, I don't think she would likely have been accepted).
I personally think maybe Pearl's owner wasn't PD. I suspect, if anything, it might have been White. =U |
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Post by Gelquie on May 31, 2017 1:12:31 GMT -5
It seems to me like Padparadsha doesn't realize she's seeing the recent past. I also think maybe Sapphires aren't always looking into the future (if Garnet is any indication), but Padparadsha seems like she's somehow stuck (possibly another flaw). I think her shouting out her 'predictions' basically amounts to "I'M HELPING! oD" I dunno if she doesn't realize; they did explain the flaws with her powers right in front of her, or she doesn't see things like "Lars takes on a new hue!" despite that happening right in front of her. Unless she's just so not into the moment and is stuck in her visions or something that she doesn't see what's going on.
Or it could be an "I'M HELPING!" thing. I do get vibes of that. xD
(Though it did seem odd when she did it while the searchers were in the vicinity, thus putting herself in danger.
Maybe it is compulsion, either gem-wise or personality-wise.) -- Yeah, I looked over it again, and while Yellow's behavior might be masking something, it also seems like it could be genuine. Even if she's hiding something, it might not be involvement. I agree that smashing the Zircons might have been out of insult. (By the way, anyone else notice that when Yellow Zircon was struck, her form looked like Garnet's did when she was destabilized?) But yeah, I think it's more likely a red herring. Or maybe it's just the way the actress interpreted the lines.
Though if there's anything to my theories of Pink's and White's personalities, I do agree that it might have been White. By my theories, it could also have also been Pink herself. =o
Reminds me: I think a good question in this case is not so much whether a Diamond shattered her (and of so, which) but why a Diamond would shatter her.
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At the very least, we've seen flashbacks of Pearl talking to Rose before the rebellion (Rose's Scabbard) and Pearl helping Rose attack the Cloud Arena (The Answer). I personally doubt she switched sided after that (even if she considered it, I don't think she would likely have been accepted).
I personally think maybe Pearl's owner wasn't PD. I suspect, if anything, it might have been White. =U Yeah, I could see her hiding something. And come to think, she did seem eager to get the trial over with right away, but that could also just be part of YD's personality to "just get it over with" (since we've seen that with her attitude towards Earth). I'll probably look over her scenes again and again to see what might be behind it, I just doubt it's the assassination given everything else we know about her.
Yeaaah, why is a good question. My only thinking is if it came to be that Pink Diamond was going to betray the others or be sympathetic to the humans. She seemed to only be in charge of Earth, and no others; she might've had different ideas about it (or even had ideas on how to end the war with the rebels, such as a treaty or agreement to let them keep Earth) that might've bordered on treason, at least in the eyes of the Diamonds. Maybe if it was a Diamond, maybe it went--for a close-enough example--that White found out, shattered her, and set it up to blame Rose Quartz so that no one would know about the failure of a Diamond. (After all, if one of the Diamonds went wrong, who's to say the others aren't wrong? Tell that to the Homeworld caste system.)
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Oh yeah, that's true. I've kind of been struggling to remember all the scenes regarding that past. xD It probably makes the most sense that the flashback part of Rose's Scabbard happened just before the start of the rebellion. As for the scene from The Answer, I figured that could be either before or after the shattering, but I'm not sure.
I don't think that Pearl's owner was White, though; Pearl's been seen in some of her old uniforms before, which has the pink diamond symbol. So she was either under the ownership of PD herself or someone under PD's authority.
Though while PD's ownership of Pearl is debatable, I still wonder if she was RQ's Pearl, hence the comments of "my Pearl" and "you don't have to stay with me while I do this" from Rose before the rebellion. Though that still doesn't answer how if Pearl did it, how she was able to get past the others. Unless she was in disguise or something.
This is probably something I won't be able to figure out till we find out about Pearl's specific previous ownership or something. Like a lot of the questions brought up today. xD |
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Post by Killix on May 31, 2017 13:39:22 GMT -5
Spoilery theories
So yeah, I was a bit busy yesterday and didn't quite have time to go into full explanation mode, but now I can sit down and write this out. Are you ready??
So back when the whole Pink Diamond was shattered bombshell dropped, I didn't quite buy that Rose Quartz was responsible. I went looking for clues and foreshadowing to piece together to try to figure out what really happened. Along the way, I came up with the "Pearl did it" theory, but at the time there were a number of details not yet revealed, so I labelled it a joke theory and went on my merry way.
The Trial has now arrived and key pieces of evidence have been filled in. "Pearl did it" is no longer a joke theory - I believe it 100%.
Let's take a look at the court record:
+ Pearl's reaction to the "Pink Diamond was shattered by Rose Quartz!" bombshell. Just look at her, she stops, covers her mouth, and looks utterly horrified. Garnet also has a dismayed expression as she looks back at Steven, because wow, that was not the way they wanted Steven to find out about that particular event... but Pearl's reaction just seems far more extreme, like a guilt-punch to the gut.
+ Steven wants to learn more about the Palanquin and Pink Diamond's assassination. "Stop, you're making Pearl very upset!"
I think Garnet knows. >_>
+ Pink Diamond was shattered with a sword. They're VERY adamant about this fact, and we're led to believe that the sword used was Rose's... However the specifics of the murder sword are never given, and Rose's sword is also specifically stated to be non-lethal to Gems. Hmm, what other rebel used a sword?
Oh yes, Pearl.
Pearl is a pro swordfighter. She trained Connie in sword fighting, and it has been shown that she did use a sword during the war. (but now she uses a spear, despite being a pro swordfighter. I wonder whyyyy?)
+ "It was Rose Quartz, I saw her do it with my own eye!"
Eyeball is not a reliable witness. I pointed this out earlier, but in Back to the Moon, she was easily fooled by Amethyst's shapeshifting to look like Jasper. The rubies couldn't tell that "Jasper" was an imposter until they saw Amethyst drop her disguise. The Rose Quartz that she claims to have seen shattering Pink Diamond could have easily been an imposter as well.
+ As Blue Zircon Ace Attorney pointed out, Pink Diamond had to have been shattered by someone close to her, someone she trusted. Rose Quartz was already suspected as a dangerous gem and Rose Quartz gems were nowhere near Pink Diamond at the time of her assassination.
So. Who closer to a Diamond than their Pearl? The gems that they take with them everywhere, the gems who no one would ever suspect...
+ "Rose Quartz turned herself in." reveals Blue Zircon. If Rose Quartz didn't do it, then why would she turn herself in? Was she perhaps protecting someone by doing this? This would make sense if the attacker disguised themselves by shapeshifting into a Rose Quartz soldier when attacking Pink Diamond, and our Rose stepped in to take the blame?
+ "All Gems can shapeshift!" Says Pearl in a very early episode... Well over 100 episodes, and we have yet to see Pearl ever do so. It was even hinted that there's a reason why she doesn't do it. A very traumatic event in the past involving MURDER maybe? :P
and finally... Pearl's backstory has never been fully revealed. We don't know who she belonged to back on homeworld, how she joined Rose Quartz, or any details about her life before or immediately after the rebellion.
We have backstories on all of the Crystal Gems now EXCEPT her. Why keep her backstory so secret unless it's something very plot important?
Guys, Pearl did it. 8D
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Post by Omni on May 31, 2017 17:57:46 GMT -5
Spoilery theories cont (big one): I have had a theory/headcanon that Pink had a different viewpoint than the other Diamonds, and may have even bred/groomed Rose to start the rebellion, while trying to hide her involvement. I suspect she may have even set up the scene where she would be shattered. Some points:
* Her mural seemed to imply to me that she might be more energetic and positive
* The whole ‘singular planet’ thing mentioned earlier
* She made the Rose Quartzes, which have plant abilities (very much an Earth thing), healing abilities (something Rose would need), and probably a compassionate nature
* She’s probably the one who bubbled the other Rose Quartzes, hiding them where the same abilities couldn’t help HW, without breaking them
+ I did notice, before the zoo arc, that there were no other Rose Quartzes in the flashbacks, and Gems seemed to talk as if she were the only one
* The zoo could have been a backup plan in case the Earth was successfully colonized, so at least a few humans could live on, even if their planet didn’t
* She knowingly allowed (maybe even chose) a Kindergarden site that was less-than-optimal, to put it mildly. The resulting Gems would have been more valuable to Rose then to HW - ‘rush job’ could be a cover up
+ Jasper could’ve been an unhappy accident
* She has a flower motif, which seems to suggest a gentle side, and love of nature
+ She may have even had plant powers that she passed on to Rose - I suspect the flowers growing by her palanquin might be feeding off a trace of her power
+ If she did love nature, what would she think about how colonizing planets, getting rid of the nature on them?
+ I suspect ‘Rose’ Quartz plays into the flower motif - I’ve also noticed that pretty much all the wildflowers are pink, whether they’re roses or not
+Actually, I noticed that a couple the flower decos in the Zoo has a fake(?) Rose Quartz gem int the middle, suggesting that the Rose Quartzes were especially important to her, possibly lovingly-crafted
++ Heck, I wonder if Rose’s ‘star’ is actually a flower
* It seems like you can tell a lot about a Diamond by her Gems, and just look at Famethyst - fun loving, relaxed, pranksters, that aren’t that big on rules - possibly only loyal to those that treat them well. (Also: Rose)
* If you look at the pink room in the zoo, there’s something that looks like a bed, suggesting she may have enjoyed sleeping
+ I suspect this ties in with Steven’s dream-abilities - she could have used sleep to stealthily talk to Rose
That said, trying to hide her opinions in such a way, possibly being mortified at what the other Diamonds do (especially if she found out after helping them do it)... If true, it must have been hard. If she set up a suicide-by-war, she might have done it partly to free the Earth, and partly just because she couldn’t take it anymore. (That said, it’s not impossible that someone might have found out about Pink’s treason and interfered.)
The strange situation mentioned by Blue Zircon does sound like it could have been set up by Pink. She could have given her entourage instructions in advance. She might have also stepped out without prompting.
She may have asked Rose to do it - possibly pushing an ultimatum. Or maybe set something up in case Rose couldn’t bring herself to do it.
But yeah, I really do think she may have been the most fun-loving and laid-back, and caring and compassionate Diamond. I even think she may have treated her Pearl well.
That said, I do wonder why Pink’s Pearl would fight against her.
I do agree that, at the very least, Pearl has ties to some of the most elite, since she apparently had seen the Zoo before, though since she only said she saw it and was apparently unfamiliar with it, I suspect she didn't spend much time there (like I think Pink did). I’ll also agree that she’s definitely connected somehow and is obviously hiding something (and that Garnet seems to know something - she never actually said that Rose did it). But I’m not entirely convinced Pearl shattered Pink, or that she was Pink’s Pearl.
I figure IF Pearl belonged to Pink, it might be under circumstances such as:
* Pink even hid her intents from Pearl - her conquest might have been viewed negatively
* Pink let her fight for Earth, with the enemy being HW (doesn’t make sense that the shattering would be a surprise attack, though)
* Pearl snuck off while Pink was sleeping
I do agree that shapeshifting to hide who her owner was for the battle could be a good reason to stop shifting.
It does make me wonder what Pearl would have seen in Rose if Rose was modeled off of Pink’s compassion - she would already have it with Pink. It seems she’d be more likely drawn to Rose if her previous owner was more cruel, or at least uncaring - something I’ve thought might be more likely for White (traits she would have taught to the other Diamonds, if she’s the head Diamond like I suspect - or at least tried to teach). (Actually, I kind of wonder if Pink and White had the most strained relationship of the four.)
I’ll admit, there’s a poetry to the ‘Pearl did it’ theory that I can appreciate: one of the mightiest beings known to Gem (if not THE mightiest - the halo in her mural is bigger than those of the other Diamonds), taken down by one of the lowliest.
If we’re going by aesthetics, Blue and Yellow Pearl both have their Gemstones in the same location as those of their Diamonds. Pearl’s Gemstone location matches that of White’s.
Pearl's bubbles are kind of an off-white, leaning toward yellow.
Also: most Gems seem to be limited to a certain color scheme, even after reforming - Amethyst certainly is. Yellow P. and Blue P. are both colored similarly to their Diamonds, and I don’t see why Pearl would break the pattern. On the other hand, I noticed the ‘white’ chair in the Moon Base had other colors on it, possibly suggesting that ‘white’ Gems can have more prismatic appearances; like Pearl.
The only case where we’ve seen Gems have colors very different from those of their Gemstones is with the Betas from Famethyst, in which case I suspect Blue helped them with their uniforms. We know that the Diamonds corrupted the minds and forms of Gems, and we’ve seen Yellow destabilize her Zircon, so we know that Diamonds can affect the forms of Gems. But then that brings up the question of how the heck Pearl would get a color-scheme change without the help of a Diamond (probably White, if they’re limited to changing things to their color), which would seem... odd, at best.
Granted, all the Pearls’ Gemstones are white, so maybe they don’t have that restriction. Still, I do think it more likely that Pearl is ‘White’ Pearl. I noticed that even the concepts of her new form were incredibly color-diverse, but something that stays constant is the color of her hair and eyes, possibly suggesting that Pearl's can't change those. And Pearl's definitely aren't pink.
I’ll admit, it does leave the question of Pearl’s flight suit unanswered. (Granted, I wonder why Pearl would even have a uniform that didn’t have frills or a sash - all the other official art, even the concepts for Pearl’s new form, shows her with one. Might have been a disguise?)
As for Pearl fretting, we don’t know what exactly Pearl was worried about - maybe she was worried for Rose, I dunno.
Possibly the biggest problem I have with the ‘Pearl did it’ theory: why would Pearl frame Rose? I guess I can understand Rose taking the fall for Pearl, but that doesn’t explain why all the Gems reportedly saw Rose. I don’t think Eyeball was lying about seeing Rose shatter Pink - she seemed too deeply impacted by the whole thing. That said, it’s not impossible that shapeshifting or some kind of illusion was involved.
I guess I can also see Pearl working with Rose - assuming Rose really did feel she had no other choice.
I figure if Pearl belonged to White, then white may have taken it Pink Pearl, who might be miserable under her new owner. I’ll admit: I really like that idea.
I do wonder why Pink’s entourage would agree to let her be shattered... I actually wonder if there were mind-bending shenanigans going on, making it so either they were in a haze and couldn’t act, or they thought they saw Rose breaking Pink (possibly by altering either perceptions or memories). I was realizing that the Diamonds have bent the minds of Gems via corruption, so it’s not out of the question.
...While considering that, I had a bit of a ‘wham’ idea: What if Pearl did belong to Pink, Pearl's memory was altered, and it was actually Pink she was talking to in the projection? It would explain why 'Rose' called Pearl "My Pearl." PFA and I also noticed that Rose didn’t seem to actually know about Pearl’s feelings, seeming to treat her more like a daughter or something, while ‘Rose’ seemed more affectionate in Pearl’s projection. It’s possible that Pearl’s feelings were redirected toward Rose, possibly as a mercy so she wouldn’t feel as much loss, and so she could live happily with the survivor. She might even be unaware that her flight suit has a pink diamond on it.
Man... There’s potential for ‘WHAM!’ reveals all over the place...
Whatever the case, I do think there’s foul play going on somewhere.
And regardless of who actually struck the blow, I think there’s a good chance Pink did it. Or at least tried to.
Unrelated: I actually come to the conclusion that Pink was shattered by a sword because that’s what stood out in Eyeball’s mind. I also somehow completely forgot that it wasn’t actually revealed earlier, and was more confused by Steven thinking it was the Breaking Point than surprised by Blue’s assertion. XD
I have thought maybe Pink was shattered by a sword besides Rose’s signature one, for the reasons of the pink sword being designed not to shatter + the sword itself would probably have shattered. I’ve thought it would make sense if it was made out of diamond. XD (Actually, that said, I wouldn't be surprised if a Diamond could only be taken down by another Diamond - at least under normal circumstances - because of how that works IRL. So... more incriminating details?)
Also: Anyone else think Blue’s going to be thinking about her Zircon’s theory now?
I’m not 100% convinced that Lion was a normal lion before. I mean, he could be, but I’m not going to exclude other possibilities. ...But hey! That's just a theory! A Gem theory! Thanks for reading. ;3 |
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Post by Killix on May 31, 2017 21:03:48 GMT -5
When someone else posts your theory better than you. (Spoilery theory warning!) (I was directed to that blog post by someone on FR. It repeats some of the things I pointed out, but also has some other thoughts I didn't mention.) (Actually, that said, I wouldn't be surprised if a Diamond could only be taken down by another Diamond - at least under normal circumstances - because of how that works IRL. So... more incriminating details?) Well, it's not entirely true that only a diamond can damage a diamond IRL. As I brought up earlier in this thread: "In terms of gem toughness/hardness, no way would a quartz be able to scratch a diamond, buuut diamonds can be cracked or even shattered if struck with a hammer."
Diamond is the only thing that can scratch diamond - but that's only regarding scratching. Diamond can be pwnt by blunt forces/high impact.
Not to say that has anything to do with what happened to Pink, but it's something to keep in mind. |
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Post by Killix on Jun 1, 2017 14:14:00 GMT -5
My theory is that White Diamond was a fusion of Yellow, Blue and Pink Diamond. :D
She's not around because since Pink died, White cannot exist any more.
Of course, that could be easily proven completely wrong if she shows up in any of the upcoming episodes. XD
The idea of White being a Fusion has crossed my mind, though I personally think it's unlikely. XD It seems like there are hints that make it not add up. (For example: In Lapis' flashbask, the Diamond Attack consists of yellow, blue, AND white colors.) Granted, we don't know for sure.
Since white is a prism combination of every colour, I just guessed that anything relating to White Diamond would be like a sort of "combined forces" type deal.
I originally thought that White Diamond was a fusion of Blue, Yellow, and Pink, but now I'm rethinking that because I totally forgot about that mural seen in Serious Steven.
The mural appears to depict Rose Quartz using a very large, pink diamond-shaped gem to attack/defend(?) against White Diamond.
If we assume that pink gem represents Pink Diamond, then we can probably assume Pink Diamond isn't part of any kind of fusion that makes up White Diamond.
White could still be a fusion of Blue + Yellow, however.
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Post by Omni on Jun 1, 2017 21:56:54 GMT -5
I’m actually kind of having fun debating theories. XD *puts on lawyer’s badge* OBJECTION!Theory replies (I ran long again XD): I really don’t think there’s much to hold up the ‘White is a Fusion’ theory, personally. For starters, why would White’s mural show her suddenly having her Gemstone on her head, with no Stone on her chest? For another, why would her halo be smaller than Pink’s? For another, it seems like Yellow and Blue, at least, would have trouble holding a Fusion since it seems they tend to be at odds with each-other. (Granted: it’s over Pink.) Also: the primary colors of light are red, green and blue. Red, yellow and blue are for pigments. If anything, I’d guess Pink + Yellow + Blue might make a Brown Diamond (which, brown diamonds are apparently a thing). I’m also not sure why they’d pretend there’d be a fourth Diamond, instead of just admitting they’re all the Diamonds combined. Might seem more intimidating. Not to mention I think Homeworld would realize if they were missing more than one Diamond. In general, it seems like that would be a really convoluted and unnecessary thing for the Diamonds to do. They’d have to make extra chairs and stuff for a Diamond that isn’t exactly there. I’ll admit that Serious Steven holds a lot of mysteries for me. What did Rose use? (I might need to look again but I don’t remember it being pink.) Why does the mural portray Rose fighting someone that looks like White, but who’s Gemstone is wrong? (The mural shows “White’s” Gemstone on her chest, and it’s shaped differently.) Why does the Gem they bubbled look like a white diamond? Why did the pyramid head smile at Steven when he was grabbing the Gem? Does the pattern used on the floor imply that the pyramid was constructed after Pink was shattered? If so, why then? What was it for? Also: how the heck did Buddy get inside the pyramid? I do still think some things are odd about the ‘Pearl did it via. shapeshifting’ theory. Like, why would Pearl use shapeshifting (of a sort) to blatantly show loyalty to a Diamond she belonged to, and betrayed, especially if the thought of it causes her such pain? In The Answer, uniforms didn’t even seem to have diamond-shaped emblems printed on them. Ruby sure didn’t have one. It might be a stretch to say that Lapis’ outfit has one, too (broken up, too dark a shade of blue). The emblem might be a recent addition. (And, aesthetically speaking, I do still think the evidence is stacked against her being Pink’s. ...Unless maybe Pink wanted her to be unique? I dunno.) It was also implied in Secret Team that Pearl might at least consider using shapeshifting in an emergency. Granted, yes, emergency. She did tell Amethyst to shapeshift first, though Ames is the expert. She was interrupted before she finished her explanation though she I suspect she was honest about being unable to concentrate, and I doubt she’d reveal anything then, even if panicking. I do still doubt that Pearl belonged to Pink. How would Pink not have noticed her Pearl disappearing so often? Even if she knew when Pink would be preoccupied, wouldn’t the CGs have noticed something? If Pearl just plain rebelled, wouldn’t her Diamond be reluctant to trust her? Though I had the thought that, if she has more coloration available to her than the average Pearl, she might have disguised herself as Pink Pearl, and maybe tricked PD that way. Might still explain why she avoids shapeshifting, even if she wasn’t the one to strike the blow. I’ll grant that Rubies are unobservant. Aaaaand apparently Agates. And I guess if Padparadsha is any indication, Sapphires can get distracted by their visions. I still wonder how they would have missed the shapeshifting - it’s been shown that Rubies aren’t that unobservant. And if they were known to be unobservant, why keep them as guards? Personally, I think Zircon’s question of ‘where were they?’ might be of more significance - were they really there? Did any non-entourage witnesses specify seeing the entourage? Any Sapphires may not have been specifically looking for Rose Quartz - there were too many potential threats for that. If they were looking for threats in general, how would they miss that Pink might be shattered? If Pink did have them specifically watching for Rose, worried she might show at any moment, how could Pink be convinced to leave the safety of her palanquin at all? The witnesses seem to indicate that they actually watched Pink step out, meaning they had to have kept an eye on her. I’ll admit ‘from the front’ might be a goid angle to hide from, but I still wonder if Pink wouldn't have noticed. And if no one noticed the shifting, could anyone really have been said to have watched Pink get shattered? To have soon the whole thong? And wouldn't someone impersonating Rose want to be very visible? How would the other Pearls know something if Pearl tried to trick everyone?Also, Pearl didn't seem to consider using a disguise an option at the zoo - she turned down Steven’s suggestion, and it was Sapphire that seemed to come up with the plan. Pearl also seems bad at keeping secrets and/or lying (let loose that the Sea Spire was a test, had to pause to not reveal her previous owner). Not what I’d expect from an apparent master of deception. I'm also not sure they'd be willing to drop their guards around Pearls after Pearl took down so many warriors - even Garnet described her as a terrifying renegade. If they knew she was the same Pearl, there's no way they'd let her close after that. I do still find the idea of a CG (especially Pearl) using a sword to impersonate Rose when she knows that the sword can’t shatter a Gemstone (which I figure Pearl, at least, probably knew about, and we know she's persnickity about details). But you know who probably didn’t know about that detail? Anyone on Homeworld.  Yeah, I think it’s still possible it was covered up by someone from HW, and that the attendants lied about what they saw, assuming they were even there. Or that the attendants’ memories could have been altered. Or that Pink was the real mastermind and, at the very least, misdirected her attendants’ attention, assuming they were actually there. Who knows? Maybe the idea that Pearl did it is a red herring. I will grant that it’s looking possible, though I’m not 100% convinced. I do still think some pieces don’t seem like they quite fit right. Could she have even lifted a huge sword, shapeshifting or no? If she was out of sight from any witnesses, why even need to impersonate Rose? And again, why try to pin the blame on her beloved leader? If anything, I'd think she’d rather do it in her own form, instead - take the fall, or make a statement. Meanwhile, anyone from HW would want to blame Rose. If Pearl does wears the Diamond symbol intentionally, and I am right about Pink wanting to protect the Earth but keep it secret, I guess it’s possible she only found out Pink’s motives after the fact, whether or not she was involved. I guess the guilt might be retroactive, and the emblem might be a late nod of respect. Still, why on her flightsuit of all things? Or is her wardrobe limited to old forms and that’s the closest thing she had to a flightsuit. Even then, why does she have it? ...Come to think, why’d she consider a flightsuit necessary... And why only change her outfit for that? Maybe what happened to Pink doesn't make sense to her, either. AFAIK, there's no official hint that Pearl has a very specific reason not to shapeshift. Maybe she just doesn’t like shapeshifting. If the KCCW ep is any indication, she considers the idea demeaning, rather than feeling guilty. My thoughts. (Nothing personal with any of this. XD; ) Random little theory: I'm starting to wonder if the Diamonds’ abilities (or at least many of them) are limited to affecting crystalline things, Gems included. So far, that’s pretty much all we’ve seen them doing - even when Blue had her outbust, the only one that wasn't even phased was Lars. (Granted, he had a bubble on his head, though I'm not sure that would be enough to protect him.) Maybe one of the big reasons they have their Gems conquer things for them is because they'd be more vulnerable than said Gems.
Just a thought. CRAZY NEW THEORY! Okay, so it’s pretty well agreed that there’s some foul play going on, right? That what happened at Pink’s Palanquin wasn’t what it seemed to be? That there was a cover-up of some sort, either by the CGs or the Diamonds? That someone lied about Rose shattering Pink with a sword?
What if... they even lied about the idea that Pink was shattered? What if she was never really broken?
If what really happened could be covered up that thoroughly - especially if by a Diamond or two - isn’t it possible that they could make up more than just who used what weapon?
Why haven’t we heard anything about Pink's shards?
Maybe - just maybe - Pink did decided she couldn’t stand what was going on anymore, and decided to remove herself from the picture - and the Diamond Order - but not via shattering. Maybe she’s off in a ship, doing some soul-searching, exploring and protecting other planets.
Maybe either she still couldn’t bring herself to admit her true motives, so she faked her death. Or maybe she left a message, someone from HW (say, White) found it, and it was decided that it would be better if everyone believed their Diamond was dead than if they knew she was a traitor. Maybe they figured Pink wouldn’t return either way. Maybe even the CGs were brainwashed so only Bismuth would know the sword couldn’t break Gems.
Maybe the question shouldn’t be how or why it happened, so much as if it happened.
Maybe no one did it.
To use a cliché, maybe rumors of Pink being shattered were greatly exaggerated. XD
Maybe.
I guess we’ll see. =3 |
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Post by Moni on Jun 1, 2017 22:09:10 GMT -5
Can anyone tell me why Steven doesn't go to school?
Seriously
Does school even exist in this show
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Post by Killix on Jun 1, 2017 23:48:35 GMT -5
and then suddenly, a whole conversation!
I’m also not sure why they’d pretend there’d be a fourth Diamond, instead of just admitting they’re all the Diamonds combined. Might seem more intimidating.
Not to mention I think Homeworld would realize if they were missing more than one Diamond.
But there's no evidence that they are pretending she's not a fusion.
I was thinking along the lines of... White Diamond being a fusion they take on for war purposes, as that's what fusions seem to be used for most often.
Just a note: White Diamond = fusion theory isn't something I'm 100% into, it's just one of the many guesses I have about her. There's just been so little information given that it's easy to come up with many different ideas. XD
On the same hand, what is very interesting about White Diamond is how little attention everyone has paid to her. No Homeworld gems have even bothered to mention her yet. o_o
I guess that's why I'm having trouble figuring out where she fits in. This super important bawss Diamond leader and no one cares to mention her.
Even Blue and Yellow Diamond attended the trial and didn't even mention her at all, like before it started they were just like "Hey, we captured this war criminal who shattered a Diamond. Should we let White Diamond in on this really important thing too? Nah? Okay."
I do still think some things are odd about the ‘Pearl did it via. shapeshifting’ theory. Like, why would Pearl use shapeshifting (of a sort) to blatantly show loyalty to a Diamond she belonged to, and betrayed, especially if the thought of it causes her such pain?
(And, aesthetically speaking, I do still think the evidence is stacked against her being Pink’s. ...Unless maybe Pink wanted her to be unique? I dunno.)
I do still doubt that Pearl belonged to Pink. How would Pink not have noticed her Pearl disappearing so often? Even if she knew when Pink would be preoccupied, wouldn’t the CGs have noticed something? If Pearl just plain rebelled, wouldn’t her Diamond be reluctant to trust her?
Good question, but I don't believe there's enough evidence yet to assume much about Pearl's motive.
She could've been tricked, maybe she acted on information that wasn't true and the regret still burns deep, she could've been ordered by a higher authority to do it... Hey, Rose Quartz can body snatch people, maybe she murdered Pink Diamond afterall, by using Pearl as a puppet? (Joke guess, plz don't tell me how ridiculous it is. Even though you all know it's deliciously dark. XD)
If she's not Pink Diamond's original Pearl, that's fine because my original theory was that she was created for and belonged to White Diamond at one point. Maybe she was reassigned to Pink Diamond? Gems being reassigned isn't out of the question - Jasper belonged to Pink Diamond and was reassigned to Yellow Diamond after Pink got ded.
I believe she might've been created for White Diamond because CG Pearl is very... prismatic compared to the other two Pearls we've seen so far. She also has gem placement that appears to match White Diamond.
Did Pearl disappear often from her Diamond's side? I don't remember that ever being established.
It's possible that it was all over for Pink Diamond before she even knew Pearl had rebelled. No one suspects a Pearl.
(I wonder if the Diamonds ever only have one Pearl at a time? That's something that hasn't ever been stated, just assumed.
If the original Pink Pearl went missing *coughRhodonitecough*, I don't think it would be too odd for Pink Diamond to get a new one...)
Though I had the thought that, if she has more coloration available to her than the average Pearl, she might have disguised herself as Pink Pearl, and maybe tricked PD that way. Might still explain why she avoids shapeshifting, even if she wasn’t the one to strike the blow.
... Or that. She can shapeshift, might as well go full MGS stealth on everyone.
Now I have this mental image of Pearl shapeshifting into Pink Pearl as a way of spying for the rebels. XD (Not part of my theory, of course, just an interesting image along that line of thought.)
How would the other Pearls know something if Pearl tried to trick everyone?
Pfft, you know they're all in on it. Just look at Yellow Pearl's "Oh CRUD" glance at Blue Pearl when PD's Pearl is mentioned.
Pearl conspiracy team, go!
Could she have even lifted a huge sword, shapeshifting or no? If she was out of sight from any witnesses, why even need to impersonate Rose? And again, why try to pin the blame on her beloved leader? If anything, I'd think she’d rather do it in her own form, instead - take the fall, or make a statement. Meanwhile, anyone from HW would want to blame Rose.
It's possible that the assassin didn't shapeshift into Rose Quartz, but simply "a Rose Quartz". They were common soldier gems and already suspected to be dangerous. If I wanted to conceal my identity, that would seem like a pretty solid choice.
We know it was a sword, it definitely wasn't Rose's Sword, and the eyewitness is unreliable... Right now it's looking like it could've been any kind of sword.
As we've seen from the strawberry field of doom, gems used many many different non-gem weapons during the war.
Another thing to consider: Pearls can be used for storage. She could've easily hidden a number of weapons in the same place she keeps all those spears and that one roll of duct tape. :D Her sword could've been very nicely hidden. She might not have even needed to lift it. Just summon and toss. Wooosh!
What if... they even lied about the idea that Pink was shattered? What if she was never really broken?
Ah yes, "Pink Diamond faked her own death"
Was one of the theories I posted earlier, and could still turn out to be true.
Right now my thoughts are
- If PD is ded then Pearl is suspect #1. (Or Pink Pearl. Either way, some Pearl needs to confess.)
- Did they find PD's remains? No? Then it was an elaborate faked death and cover up.
Hoo boy, so many spoiler boxes all at once. I had to fix it like 20 times because 12am was a bad time to do this, but I think the bbcode is all good now. 8'D I probably messed up the code or erased some stuff by mistake, if so... whoops. XD |
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Post by Omni on Jun 10, 2017 17:14:45 GMT -5
Been doing a lot of theorizing over these past couple weeks. XD Put a couple big posts on my Tumblr. Linking them here for anyone interested - spoilers abound. Rebuttal to the post Killix linked. What I think really happened (new conclusion!) Nutshell version of my new conclusion: The mystery orb in the moon base is a bubble containing Pink Diamond’s unbroken Gemstone. White Diamond poofed and bubbled her, and used the same ability that wiped the memories of the corrupted Gems to rewrite the memories of the witnesses. And another detail I noticed, after posting on Tumblr. XD Thought I'd put it here, at least. I don't think the CGs even knew about the whole 'Pink was shattered by Rose' thing. We don't actually see their reaction as Eyeball is talking about it - we see Steven's reaction first.  The expressions in this shot look to me like Garnet and Pearl are just as surprised as we were, if not more so. To me, Pearl's expression like she's shocked; like she just learned something horrifying. Though if that's not enough to convince you, check out this shot:  Pearl is still thinking about it afterward. She's confused. Garnet apparently accepted Rose shattering Pink as fact (she never actually confirmed that she knew Rose did it), but it looks to me like Pearl is having trouble accepting it. |
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Post by Killix on Jun 11, 2017 16:27:48 GMT -5
So about White Diamond... I was thinking about SU last night and...
It was a fun theory, but she is likely not a fusion for the simple reason that none of the other Diamonds have their gem on their forehead. XD
As she is depicted on murals, her stomach is always covered, but you can see no gems on her chest.
We still haven't seen what happens when gems who share gem placements fuse, but to me it seems more likely that they would just go side-by-side, or... something ... but I don't think they would overlap or relocate to a different spot on the body. XD
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Post by Shinko on Jun 11, 2017 18:32:13 GMT -5
As someone who neither watches this show nor cares to, I can't help but observe this conversation and wonder if you people are watching a children's television program or The DaVinci Code. XDDD
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I was pretty ready to believe it was Rose Quartz... and for all we know, it still might be.
Yeah, I think it’s still possible it was covered up by someone from HW, and that the attendants lied about what they saw, assuming they were even there. Or that the attendants’ memories could have been altered. Or that Pink was the real mastermind and, at the very least, misdirected her attendants’ attention, assuming they were actually there. Who knows? Maybe the idea that Pearl did it is a red herring.
