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Post by Dju on Aug 16, 2011 17:55:07 GMT -5
I always ask myself this question...thought it'd be something nice to share thoughts and discuss. (Feel free to move or delete this topic, ok mods? Sorry for the trouble!) What if the person responsible for, like for example, death and starvation in some countries is in front of you, would you kill him/her? You know this person is the one who sells armory to people, eventually s/he causes civil war and fight for food or water. Would you kill her/him?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2011 18:02:50 GMT -5
I personally could never kill anybody, no matter how horrible they are. Because 1. I believe that it's not the person who's bad, it's their actions. All people are good people but sometimes good people make mistakes, some of them very huge. However, I have a firm belief in the power of love. I believe that if you keep loving your enemy, their soul will awaken and they'll realize their mistakes and work on becoming better people. (Unless I'm mistaken, "Love Thy Enemy" was something Jesus said. My grandma also has a bumper sticker that says "Love Thy Enemy Implies Not Killing Them", with which I agree.)
2. I also agree with Professor Slughorn (from Harry Potter) on the notion that "killing rips the soul apart". Even if I had to kill somebody to protect myself or someone I cared about, even if it was accidental, I would feel like my soul had been torn in two. Believe me, I've thought about this "what if" question and imagined killing someone, and then I just...fall apart. I don't think that's something I could live with. I think I would probably crawl away somewhere and grieve and lament about it until I just starved.
So no, I could never kill anyone. Ever.
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Post by Dju on Aug 16, 2011 18:09:06 GMT -5
I think...I...I think I would... :/
Somalia suffers so much thanks to these kinds of people, and selling armory is not a cheap buisness, which means this person must be very rich and will probably find a way to get away with it. I have one of my crazy imagination attacks, I considered kidnapping this person and keeping it somewhere away. But that'd be a kind of torture, and death is peaceful.
I guess that looking at Somalia's pictures on google changed my feelings about killing. >.< *grabs sword*
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2011 18:10:59 GMT -5
Personally, I could never work up the nerve. In the case that I did? Well, if they're an extremely dangerous mass-murderer and cannot be incarcerated or otherwise stopped, then I think it would be OK to kill them. If killing them is the only way to save hundreds, thousands, or even millions, then it's a necessary evil.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2011 18:13:22 GMT -5
I think...I...I think I would... :/ Somalia suffers so much thanks to these kinds of people, and selling armory is not a cheap buisness, which means this person must be very rich and will probably find a way to get away with it. I have one of my crazy imagination attacks, I considered kidnapping this person and keeping it somewhere away. But that'd be a kind of torture, and death is peaceful. I guess that looking at Somalia's pictures on google changed my feelings about killing. >.< *grabs sword* But Dju...could you really live knowing you'd taken a life? I can just picture you after killing that guy, and I think you would be pretty torn up too. You're so sweet, and even though he is a bad guy I just think that would be a big mistake Don't do it, Dju. You're like my cousin in that you're a little sister I never had. And I don't want my sister's spirit to get poisoned and torn up. That would break my heart.
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Post by Dan on Aug 16, 2011 18:17:13 GMT -5
I think...I...I think I would... :/ Somalia suffers so much thanks to these kinds of people, and selling armory is not a cheap buisness, which means this person must be very rich and will probably find a way to get away with it. I have one of my crazy imagination attacks, I considered kidnapping this person and keeping it somewhere away. But that'd be a kind of torture, and death is peaceful. I guess that looking at Somalia's pictures on google changed my feelings about killing. >.< *grabs sword* But Dju...could you really live knowing you'd taken a life? I can just picture you after killing that guy, and I think you would be pretty torn up too. You're so sweet, and even though he is a bad guy I just think that would be a big mistake Don't do it, Dju. You're like my cousin in that you're a little sister I never had. And I don't want my sister's spirit to get poisoned and torn up. That would break my heart. It's a hypothetical question. Dju hasn't run out and threatened to kill anyone just yet. Remember that this is a debate, and as such we're all entitled to our own opinions and stances on the question.
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Post by Dju on Aug 16, 2011 18:20:14 GMT -5
I think...I...I think I would... :/ Somalia suffers so much thanks to these kinds of people, and selling armory is not a cheap buisness, which means this person must be very rich and will probably find a way to get away with it. I have one of my crazy imagination attacks, I considered kidnapping this person and keeping it somewhere away. But that'd be a kind of torture, and death is peaceful. I guess that looking at Somalia's pictures on google changed my feelings about killing. >.< *grabs sword* But Dju...could you really live knowing you'd taken a life? I can just picture you after killing that guy, and I think you would be pretty torn up too. You're so sweet, and even though he is a bad guy I just think that would be a big mistake Don't do it, Dju. You're like my cousin in that you're a little sister I never had. And I don't want my sister's spirit to get poisoned and torn up. That would break my heart. Don't worry Sae, this is just a fictional situation and in real life there are billions of other ways of dealing with that! ^-^ But I'd make sure that guy arrives to prison and I'd watch it constantly. -_-But in this situation, my answer is still yes, it'd be a favor to thousands of people. I'd do for this kid. I spoilered because not everyone likes eeing these pictures, it's not strong but..awn, poor kid. T_T
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Post by Poldon on Aug 16, 2011 18:21:42 GMT -5
... Sometimes people don't come back. Sometimes they have chosen a path that leads to great destruction. If and when it happens they'll be defeated eventually, I have no doubt. I'd really just rather I didn't have to be the one to do it.
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Post by Moni on Aug 16, 2011 18:23:01 GMT -5
This is going to make me sound really cruel and heartless: Yeah. I would. Pull the stupid trigger and be done with it.
People always aware of the rule do unto others as you would have done unto yourself, so if they were killing others (et al serious crimes), then, well . . . yeah. They deserve the punishment. Possibly condemn them to a fate worse than death if they're that bad.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2011 18:23:19 GMT -5
But Dju...could you really live knowing you'd taken a life? I can just picture you after killing that guy, and I think you would be pretty torn up too. You're so sweet, and even though he is a bad guy I just think that would be a big mistake Don't do it, Dju. You're like my cousin in that you're a little sister I never had. And I don't want my sister's spirit to get poisoned and torn up. That would break my heart. Don't worry Sae, this is just a fictional situation and in real life there are billions of other ways of dealing with that! ^-^ But I'd make sure that guy arrives to prison and I'd watch it constantly. -_-But in this situation, my answer is still yes, it'd be a favor to thousands of people. I'd do for this kid. I spoilered because not everyone likes eeing these pictures, it's not strong but..awn, poor kid. T_T In that case, I would help the kid before killing anyone. I would make sure he and his family got enough food and water, or get them to a better country. That actually helps someone out. Killing the leader of the place doesn't guarantee that that kid is going to be okay. Helping the kid does. By the way, what does everyone think of my stance on "killing ripping the soul apart"? I'd actually be interested to hear what you guys think. (Do read the whole thing.)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2011 18:27:27 GMT -5
What do you do about the others, though? You have to tackle the problem on a larger scale than helping each person individually, which is pretty much impossible. Somalia is a poor country with lots of violence. You can't solve all that yourself, especially not the violence. Organizations and people are doing what they can already and it's not enough. In the case of Somalia, though...gah, that place is such a mess that I don't think killing some people will solve anything. You'll just end up with the same old people on top, just with different names and faces.
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Post by Dju on Aug 16, 2011 18:28:51 GMT -5
Don't worry Sae, this is just a fictional situation and in real life there are billions of other ways of dealing with that! ^-^ But I'd make sure that guy arrives to prison and I'd watch it constantly. -_-But in this situation, my answer is still yes, it'd be a favor to thousands of people. I'd do for this kid. If the hypothetical person who is responsible for the guns being sold is killed, armory won't reach them! And stopping the UN's cars will be really hard with simple objects. I spoilered because not everyone likes seeing these pictures, it's not strong but..awn, poor kid. T_T In that case, I would help the kid before killing anyone. I would make sure he and his family got enough food and water, or get them to a better country. That actually helps someone out. Killing the leader of the place doesn't guarantee that that kid is going to be okay. Helping the kid does. By the way, what does everyone think of my stance on "killing ripping the soul apart"? I'd actually be interested to hear what you guys think. (Do read the whole thing.) Sae, that's exactly the point. Food doesn't reach this kid because the enemy groups buy the armory being sold by the evil dude in the story and KILLS YOU before you can get there! D: That's why it's complicated. And I don't think killing thorns the soul apart, killing is part of life. It's survival. As soon that you have good reasons for it, or else all kittens would be in hell for killing mosquitoes, or would be really evil like Voldemort, that only applies to Harry Potter books. And as you said, we have souls, death isn't supposed to be feared.
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Post by Jo on Aug 16, 2011 18:31:08 GMT -5
If killing someone could save hundreds, maybe thousands of lives, I would do it. Re: the whole 'splitting the soul apart' thing, I think knowing the person I had let live is out there killing people or at least causing that would split my soul apart far more. There are also other times when I think killing is justified such as euthanasia- I think a person who helped someone die and believed it was the right thing to do would not have their soul 'rip apart', because they believed it was justified. I think killing would only rip your soul apart if you felt what you did was wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2011 18:32:13 GMT -5
... Sometimes people don't come back. Sometimes they have chosen a path that leads to great destruction. If and when it happens they'll be defeated eventually, I have no doubt. I'd really just rather I didn't have to be the one to do it. Sometimes they didn't choose it. Sometimes someone else was partly responsible. This is a bit akin to my posts in the bullying thread, but what if, as a child or something, said person was horribly tortured? Of course they're going to be torn up about it, and most likely they will want revenge on the one who ruined their life. And vengeance can be a tricky thing. Maybe the person will feel that their torturer deserves to lose their whole family (which is, of course, NOT my view) and they'll murder everyone (s)he has ever loved as well as him/her. Was it right? No, but does the original torture victim deserve to die? No! As I said in the bullying thread, these people need HELP, not punishment. Since they never planned this path in the first place they can become better.
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Post by Andrea on Aug 16, 2011 18:35:19 GMT -5
However, I have a firm belief in the power of love. I believe that if you keep loving your enemy, their soul will awaken and they'll realize their mistakes and work on becoming better people. (Unless I'm mistaken, "Love Thy Enemy" was something Jesus said. My grandma also has a bumper sticker that says "Love Thy Enemy Implies Not Killing Them", with which I agree.) About this quote, Sae: ... Sometimes people don't come back. Sometimes they have chosen a path that leads to great destruction. If and when it happens they'll be defeated eventually, I have no doubt. I'd really just rather I didn't have to be the one to do it. I have to agree with Poldon on this one as for my stance. In my opinion, there are some people that don't "just need a hug". ^^; I can understand the idea of giving someone a chance to change their ways before going crazy with a gun, but some people can't be changed. As an example, some people kill others because of mental health issues. Their brain gives them a positive response when they see another in terror, or they fail to understand it at all.
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