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Post by Sen on Jul 8, 2010 20:53:26 GMT -5
I have a question for all you dAers. Does anybody else get annoyed by the fact that 60% of the art is badly-done anime? I understand good anime with good anatomy, but many of it is just wannabe art. I don't want to be harsh or anything, but... ._.'
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Post by Killix on Jul 8, 2010 21:16:05 GMT -5
Nope.
I have no reason to be annoyed with art that is 'badly drawn'
If I don't like it, I just scroll on and look at other things that I do like.
What's worse is the amount of art that's placed in the wrong categories. (screencaps do not belong in the digital art category - you didn't draw them! rawr.)
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Post by Shinko on Jul 8, 2010 21:18:23 GMT -5
I have a question for all you dAers. Does anybody else get annoyed by the fact that 60% of the art is badly-done anime? I understand good anime with good anatomy, but many of it is just wannabe art. I don't want to be harsh or anything, but... ._.' Not really, no. I just don't watch people who draw that sort of thing. My philosophy is "whatever makes you happy as long as it doesn't hurt me." Keep in mind that everyone has to start off someplace. When I first started drawing, a lot of my inspiration came from anime (and you can still see it in my drawings today.) So I don't bash people because I don't like their idea of art. I wouldn't want someone to come screaming at me for drawing "disgusting furries," so it would be hypocritical of me to yell at someone for drawing "lame anime rip-offs" or whatever you wanna call it. |
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Post by Komori on Jul 8, 2010 21:43:20 GMT -5
I have a question for all you dAers. Does anybody else get annoyed by the fact that 60% of the art is badly-done anime? I understand good anime with good anatomy, but many of it is just wannabe art. I don't want to be harsh or anything, but... ._.' I think it's to be expected, since probably 80% of teenagers are drawing badly-done anime.  When I was a teenager, I was one of them too. (Well, anime furries. Same dif.) Everyone's gotta go through a state of bad drawings before they can make good ones. I don't really care to look at it, though, so I have dA's front page display Popular instead of Newest. It winds up displaying the same dozen artists most of the time, but it's either that or crayon Sonic characters. :B Actually, the thing I get more annoyed at is when my friends upload tons and tons of sketchbook pages, but make each page a new deviation, instead of putting them together into 1-4 deviations. My dA watch will be like "45 new deviations to look at!" and I'll be all "Ooh!" and then it'll be 45 sketchbook pages from the same person, with only one or two sketches on each page.  Here's one with a couple hands and a head. Here's one with one body and a couple of heads. Here's one that's a doodle of a tree. Put them all together, I know you know how to use Photoshop! D8 |
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Post by Sen on Jul 8, 2010 21:47:55 GMT -5
I have a question for all you dAers. Does anybody else get annoyed by the fact that 60% of the art is badly-done anime? I understand good anime with good anatomy, but many of it is just wannabe art. I don't want to be harsh or anything, but... ._.' Not really, no. I just don't watch people who draw that sort of thing. My philosophy is "whatever makes you happy as long as it doesn't hurt me." Keep in mind that everyone has to start off someplace. When I first started drawing, a lot of my inspiration came from anime (and you can still see it in my drawings today.) So I don't bash people because I don't like their idea of art. I wouldn't want someone to come screaming at me for drawing "disgusting furries," so it would be hypocritical of me to yell at someone for drawing "lame anime rip-offs" or whatever you wanna call it. That's a good point. I don't really view the art I don't care for, I mean, but it's hard to find some good quality art sometimes when there's all the anime to wade through. Just my opinion, though. I have a question for all you dAers. Does anybody else get annoyed by the fact that 60% of the art is badly-done anime? I understand good anime with good anatomy, but many of it is just wannabe art. I don't want to be harsh or anything, but... ._.' I think it's to be expected, since probably 80% of teenagers are drawing badly-done anime. When I was a teenager, I was one of them too. (Well, anime furries. Same dif.) Everyone's gotta go through a state of bad drawings before they can make good ones. I don't really care to look at it, though, so I have dA's front page display Popular instead of Newest. It winds up displaying the same dozen artists most of the time, but it's either that or crayon Sonic characters. :B Actually, the thing I get more annoyed at is when my friends upload tons and tons of sketchbook pages, but make each page a new deviation, instead of putting them together into 1-4 deviations. My dA watch will be like "45 new deviations to look at!" and I'll be all "Ooh!" and then it'll be 45 sketchbook pages from the same person, with only one or two sketches on each page. Here's one with a couple hands and a head. Here's one with one body and a couple of heads. Here's one that's a doodle of a tree. Put them all together, I know you know how to use Photoshop! D8 Uugggh, I hate it when that happens. One of the groups I joined spams my box with 70+ deviations a day, sometimes. A few times it was over 100. :/ It's an okay group, but it's a little much. I need to either leave it or not recieve art notices from it. |
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Post by insanepurpleone on Jul 8, 2010 22:55:28 GMT -5
Yeah, I was getting a ridiculous amount of group notifications, so I turned them all of. It's just that if I have a ton of notifications, I'll be more likely to go through them really quickly deleting things, and I'd rather leave that for people I specifically watch. If I want to look at what's been posted in the group, I can always just go to the group page, after all. |
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Post by Strife on Jul 9, 2010 3:17:22 GMT -5
I don't really care to look at it, though, so I have dA's front page display Popular instead of Newest. It winds up displaying the same dozen artists most of the time, but it's either that or crayon Sonic characters. :B I daresay that custom Sonic characters are even more of a personal annoyance to me than badly-drawn anime. xD; Over half of the Sonic characters are either recolors of Sonic himself with a few additional clothing items/longer spikes, or just have waaaay too many colors and accessories. It's called Special Snowflake Syndrome in trope terms, and it happens a lot with furries and other characters too. Granted, the vast majority of characters with SSS are made by young children or those who are otherwise inexperienced with the medium, so you can't really blame 'em. xD; |
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Post by Komori on Jul 9, 2010 11:48:29 GMT -5
Like sparkledogs. D: I think I dislike sparkledogs more than Sonic recolors, but maybe that's because sparkledogs are present on Neo as well as dA. |
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Post by Sen on Jul 9, 2010 12:17:52 GMT -5
I don't think I know what sparkledogs are. Are they Mary Sues, or worse?
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Post by Killix on Jul 9, 2010 13:00:31 GMT -5
'Sparkledogs' are dog/vaguely canine characters with abnormal amounts of fur in impossible colours and markings. They usually are equipped with random accessories (and things that dogs could never use, like ipods) and clothing, wings, human hair, makeup, etc.
The lame Sonic fan characters are pretty bad. They're like the sparkledogs of the Sonic fandom. XD
"Mah carachture is named Boss the Hedgehog and he lookz like Sonic except he has neon green stripez on his quills (which are really long and pouffy) He has 1 red eye and 1 green eye cuz that's cool n original. He wears *insert random clothing from Old Navy here* and iz alweyz skatebording."
The kinds of people who make up those characters are usually really young, and hopefully they'll learn to be a little more original later on. XD
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Post by Nut on Jul 9, 2010 13:18:31 GMT -5
I don't get annoyed by bad art; I just don't look at it. As Komori said, nobody starts out being good. As for how I feel about people doing poor jobs of copying anime instead of challenging themselves more directly to improve... well, it's a shame if they spend too much time stagnating that way, but I think most people go through that stage and grow out of it when they learn more about art. They copy anime because it's popular and the style appeals to people. If it weren't anime, they'd probably be copying cartoon characters in the newspaper or superheroes in comic books, and without artistic knowledge to back it up the drawings probably wouldn't look much better. If they're interested in art, I say good for them. Fan characters... I've actually been thinking about this a lot lately because I am a giant shipper of this one pairing (anyone who looks at my dA probably knows which) and I really want to have some OC children for them just so I can make cute family pictures of kids. But I've never practiced any kind of character or costume design and I know I'm absolutely terrible at it; that's why I do fanart in the first place, so I don't have to come up with my own stuff to draw. I'm trying to figure out some character designs that don't look totally generic, but I have no idea where to start. I was going to just go the generic route and draw random kids (because I'm too lazy to come up with backstories and just want to draw random adorableness >_>), until someone mentioned that the designs looked boring, and then I felt like I had to put more effort into them. How do you go about learning good character design? D: |
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Post by Shinko on Jul 9, 2010 13:48:34 GMT -5
'Sparkledogs' are dog/vaguely canine characters with abnormal amounts of fur in impossible colours and markings. They usually are equipped with random accessories (and things that dogs could never use, like ipods) and clothing, wings, human hair, makeup, etc. I often wonder, with neopets OCs, how we draw the line between what is just a neopet and what is a "sparkledog." I mean think about it; if someone is designing their disco lupe, it's sorta hard to do without using neon colors and wacked out accessories. I jokingly nicknamed my disco bori "Eye-Burner" for this exact reason. |
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Post by Killix on Jul 9, 2010 13:56:33 GMT -5
If you're using a Disco Lupe, then it's not an OC, it's a fan character.
A Disco Lupe is supposed to have unusual fur colour/pattern because it's a Neopet. XD
It could possibly still wander into sparkledog territory depending on how you decide to personalise it, though.
"It's a Disco Lupe with 10 pounds of fur, 20 piercings, socks, angel wings, an ipod, a rainbow skirt, rainbow eyeshadow, black lipstick, 3 tails, glowing red eyes, green and red stars on her belly, and dragon horns" = SparkleLupe
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Post by Komori on Jul 9, 2010 14:07:54 GMT -5
How do you go about learning good character design? D: I recommend Tom Bancroft's book " Creating Characters with Personality," which explains things really clearly in ways that can be applied to any style (not just the style on the book's cover). It's written as a tutorial for people who want to pursue a career in character design, so it's got really good rules in it. (And yes, even things like character design has "rules" the way good color design uses color theory.) 'Sparkledogs' are dog/vaguely canine characters with abnormal amounts of fur in impossible colours and markings. They usually are equipped with random accessories (and things that dogs could never use, like ipods) and clothing, wings, human hair, makeup, etc. I often wonder, with neopets OCs, how we draw the line between what is just a neopet and what is a "sparkledog." I mean think about it; if someone is designing their disco lupe, it's sorta hard to do without using neon colors and wacked out accessories. I jokingly nicknamed my disco bori "Eye-Burner" for this exact reason. If you spend more time describing the colors and patterns on a Pet's fur than you spend describing their physical features, then it's a sparkledog.  If you can take someone's template (i.e, their lineart of a dog/wolf/Lupe) and color it in to "design" a character, it's a sparkledog. |
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Post by Strife on Jul 9, 2010 14:13:44 GMT -5
I'm trying to figure out some character designs that don't look totally generic, but I have no idea where to start. I was going to just go the generic route and draw random kids (because I'm too lazy to come up with backstories and just want to draw random adorableness >_>), until someone mentioned that the designs looked boring, and then I felt like I had to put more effort into them. How do you go about learning good character design? D: I find that the easiest way to start is to do some research. Take a look at the characters that you enjoy drawing, and pay special attention to the details in their outfits. What kinds of shapes do they have? How does each piece of the outfit connect? Break down the outfit into different bits and pieces, and either draw them by themselves or stash them in your memory bank. A lot of my original characters are constructed using "pieces" that I've found from other characters. What you can also do is randomly doodle clothing parts on a piece of paper, no matter how silly they might seem, and try to fit them together later on into a full set of clothing/armor. Here's a very specific example of a character that I've created using reference parts from other characters: The Vicereine is a villainous queen that appears in FableQuest. Her in-game sprite looks something like this:  I started with the head - afterall, the defining characteristic of a queen is usually her crown, right? Anyway, I searched DeviantArt for some ideas, and I eventually stumbled upon this gorgeous picture: ferus.deviantart.com/art/Empress-14613539I liked the idea of a feathery crown/headgear that arced upwards, so I played around with the concept. Instead of having four feathers, though, I decided to stick with just one so that it wasn't an outright copy of the original art. I also added a couple Spikes of Villainy for good measure. To separate my queen's crown even more, I decided to add elements of Mega Man X's helmet to the front: theithacan.org/blogs/bigspoon/files/2008/01/mega_man_maverick_hunter_x_061205.jpgMy design, of course, uses different colors than X, and with a purple, much longer forehead gem. Sooo, using these two references, I created headgear for my queen that stylistically resembles them, but is still an original creation. As for the rest of her outfit, I've gained enough experience with spriting to be able to draw that from scratch, but hopefully you get the idea just from the head description. ^^; Of course, it's important to note that a good character doesn't necessarily have to have a lot of tiny little details in their outfit - in fact, it's often better to go with a simple outfit that has one or two defining characteristics. In any case, I hope this helps you a little. :3 |
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When I was a teenager, I was one of them too. (Well, anime furries. Same dif.) Everyone's gotta go through a state of bad drawings before they can make good ones.
Here's one with a couple hands and a head. Here's one with one body and a couple of heads. Here's one that's a doodle of a tree. Put them all together, I know you know how to use Photoshop! D8
