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Post by Arielle on Mar 17, 2016 15:29:33 GMT -5
I thought today's update would clear things up for me, but I am only more confused  I thought Winsbury and Janet already became a couple? And revealed it to everyone? I'm guessing Tom has a point behind this repeating history, but I don't know what yet. A quick check back to Chapter 34 reveals that Janet & Winsbury actually did tell the gang (minus Annie & Jack, who were upstairs at the time) about their ongoing affair, but they embellished it with so many ridiculous details that everyone thought they were joking and no one believed them! It seemed they were content to keep it that way as well. Go back and read and you'll see; I'd forgotten how much I enjoyed that chapter. They're such cute dorks. So perhaps now that a considerable amount of time has passed, Jansbury are once again back to being very guarded about their relationship status? Something more is obviously going on between the two of them that we don't know about, such as if Winsbury's pursuit of Annie was just a ploy to make Janet jealous after a little breakup, but we'll just have to wait and find out! It's because Janet's Dad is the headmaster, and I think there was even a comic about someone reporting to him about Winsbury and it being a false alarm. I'll see if I can dig it up. EDIT: gunnerkrigg.com/?p=945 this is the closest I can get? There might be more, I'll look more later when I'm home. |
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Post by Arielle on Mar 21, 2016 19:15:22 GMT -5
So I finally got that Paz side story Tom made and...
all the feels....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2016 9:52:52 GMT -5
*INTENSITY INTENSIFIES*
Someone's definitely getting killed off this chapter. My bet's on either Blue or Smitty, even though that's the exact opposite of what I want to happen. |
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Post by Gelquie on Oct 12, 2016 4:11:56 GMT -5
Chapter 59, Page 40 spoilers Please let her be doing her mind trick again, please let her be doing her mind trick again, please let her-- Oh heck, this isn't the ether, I'm not optimistic. Blue, nooooo! I wanted to see more of you at least. ...Why do I feel like we're heading towards a Mission Failed? Annie's presented with a pretty impossible obstacle, Jeanne's out of her illusion and so it's either die by her sword or immediately teleport everyone out. (Can they do that with Annie while she's not only in ether form, but in the arrow?) I mean, maybe it could turn around, but things aren't looking good for the mission at all. |
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Post by Gelquie on Nov 22, 2016 4:45:17 GMT -5
Double posting, yay! But I was pondering the latest pages and I just had a theory about an overarching theme. (And if it's obvious to people already, oops, but I'm posting it anyway just in case it's not.) Spoilers up to this point. (Chapter 60.) Specifically, my theory has to do with Kat's ether form, and why she seems to look and seem as powerful as a god despite her being... well, a kid, who's just really good at robotics. But her form does match up with how the robots seem to see her and revere her as a god, though it's only shown up when she's either in the ether or doing something big (like how she changed form towards the end of Torn Sea despite not being in the ether). But the big overarching question is why she seems to appear this way, or if she is really a god, how she came to be that way. And then I remembered how the ether works. Recall the chapter The Great Secret (specifically starting from here), where Coyote explains his secret, and his theory on how thoughts and beliefs entering the ether shape the world and create the supernatural creatures that come to be. Jones neither confirms nor denies it, but talks about it, in addition with respect to herself, noting that if she is created by thoughts entering the ether, then an ethereal being can exist before it's created. (For that part of the chapter, start here.) Which means that Kat could've changed into the being she is at any point in time during the story. (Or perhaps she was always one and it just wasn't apparent until recently.) Basically, my theory is that the robots' beliefs that Kat is a god have affected the ether, thus actually making her a god. The robots were responsible for making her the way she is. There is one little hole about my theory that isn't quite clear. In The Great Secret, Coyote notes that these thoughts only enter and affect the ether once someone has died and entered it, someone who holds these beliefs. And the only ones who hold the beliefs of Kat being a god are the Robots, spurred on by Robot (Seraph 13). But I've looked in previous chapters, and no robots seems to have died yet. (I don't count that failed experiment on the little robotic bird wing.) Unless robot really did die last chapter; it would happen so long as his CPU is destroyed beyond repair. Though for the theory to work, the robots would have to have something that could be absorbed into the ether, which isn't clear yet. Or perhaps robot death is as that ancient robot from chapter 33 described it, with their minds not functioning at all and not being useful. ( "To be still is death, for if we are not useful, then we are nothing.") And then Kat irrevocably destroyed his CPU, though since I don't think that robot saw her as the Angel, I don't know if that counts as him contributing to the ether and transforming Kat into the Angel. But if Coyote is right about his secret, and if it's true that Jones was retroactively created, then perhaps that death hasn't happened yet. Which maaaaakes me wonder if Robot is going to die, if he hasn't already. If he does and it's possible for his thoughts to enter the ether, and the rest of my theory is right, then that would be a surefire way to transform Kat into the Angel, even beforehand. And it's still not clear how much of what Coyote said was the truth. He is a Trickster. But well, perhaps at least some of it is true, enough to lend to the theory. And perhaps one does not need to die in order to affect the ether if the beliefs are strong enough. And the robots have very strong beliefs about Kat's abilities and god-like status. There's still a lot of information that remains to be seen. But the short version of what I think now is that at the very least, the existence of the Angel is caused by the robots' beliefs and their effects on the ether, and thus reality. |
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Post by Twillie on Mar 8, 2017 18:40:25 GMT -5
*sliiides in all sneakily like* Gelquie I don't quite remember at what part of chapter 60 you posted that, but that's a possibility I hadn't really considered before (not that I'm good with story theories, lol, I'm pretty oblivious for someone who claims to write these for a passion). After Robot's destruction via Jeanne, I wonder if that perhaps what triggered it for Kat; I'd almost say that the timing adds up as she appears like that in the ether after Robot is destroyed, but she also looked like that to Zimmy a while ago (whichever chapter that was). Of course, there's also the question of what is that item Kat used to enter the Ether in the first place, and if this perhaps relates to Diego in some way (as I've sort of had a suspicion that she's connected to him via ancestry). Either way, though, definitely something interesting to think about! |
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Post by Gelquie on Mar 8, 2017 19:18:05 GMT -5
Twillie - Reply: I don't quite remember when I posted it either. (It's okay, mine are hit and miss.)
Hmm, that specific point of Robot's destruction could possibly be it. I feel like we don't have enough information though; we haven't seen or heard anything about Robot since Jeanne skewered him and Kat gathered his remains, so I'm unclear whether or not he's dead. There's really a lot of unanswered questions after the Save Jeanne arc, but I imagine those'll come in time in the next few chapters, and we're just dealing with the faerie aftermath first.
Though that brings up another interesting question. If he were dead, would robots go to the ether? Would they be able to go there?
Given where the story seems to be going, my guess would be yes. After all, they do have their own sentience; their own being. But I have no idea.
I think the thing Kat used to enter the ether was based on one of Diego's devices, though now I wonder what Diego was doing with that. Maybe that had to do with stuff with imprisoning Jeanne? I don't know if that's connected to Kat's etheric form, though; I feel like that was just a vessel used to get into either the ether or green guy's prison.
(And that's an interesting theory behind the ancestry! I don't know if I entirely feel that myself, but it could definitely be interesting if that's the case.) While I'm posting, I had a question about the latest update (Chapter 61, Page 12), which is kind of stemming from my "how do social expectations??", so it might be kinda awkward. In any case, spoilers! So, Red has legit reason to be upset at Annie. (Though she does seem to be overlooking that Smitty only survived because of Annie's sacrifice. Though then there was still that length of the strip after Smitty got stabbed where it focused on the ghosts and I was going "uhh, guy bleeding to death over there!!", but then I could tell Annie kinda rushed it too.) Although I do feel like the friends knew what they were getting into. I don't know if I can say the same for the faeries, though. If Annie left out details of just how dangerous this all was to the faeries, then yeah, totally not cool, Annie.
But. Two panels in particular kinda make me scratch my head. The lines in question: "Getting a name clearly ain't a big deal for you, but you know it is for us. So like, you figured you were getting a good deal, putting her in danger in return for something that has no value."
I'm confused because... Isn't the point of an exchange to offer something that the other person finds valuable? Through life, I've been taught that in gift-giving, you don't necessarily give someone something that you like, you give them what they like. And part of that is being thoughtful towards what the other person wants. If you wanted to gift someone something and you give them something you like but the other person has no interest in (assuming you're not trying to introduce someone to something new), then the gift kinda falls flat, doesn't it?
Maybe there's more nuances to what Red is trying to say, particularly with Annie offering something Ayilu isn't supposed to have yet. Maybe there's something else to faerie culture about it that Annie is completely missing, or glossed over because she was more focused on rescuing Jeanne. And yeah, you could totally put that on Annie. I guess I'm just confused because it's not really being presented that way in the comic right now.
Or maybe it's something about Ayilu needing to put in a lot of effort and risking her life and the reward is something Annie doesn't have to put in any effort? I don't know if that's necessarily a bad thing, though, so long as it's a fairly equivalent exchange. (Which I don't know if it is or not; that's debatable. Just like this. xD )
I dunno, I can kinda see where Red is going with this, I just don't follow her line of logic in those two panels at all. But maybe someone else sees it differently and can clarify.
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Post by Twillie on Mar 8, 2017 19:35:22 GMT -5
Gelquie Yeah, definitely a lot of unknown details, and I can't even remember right now how much of Robot was mentioned after Jeanne destroyed him, if anything x) Thinking on it more, I feel like it's a bit of stretch because I just recalled Shadow and those two's little arc, so that'd be a rather abrupt way to end their relationship. Of course, though, you never know.
Hm, I wonder if, through Kat's own work on him, that she made him something of a living being that could enter the ether? She's come eerily close to recreating life, Robot being one of her experiments in the process as she rigged him with his own nervous system before. Sort of a roundabout way for the robots to make her angel, through her giving them that power, but that basically describes the whole ether situation to begin with x3
(Haha, I don't feel it entirely either, I just get the idea sometimes when Kat's alchemy symbol matches that of Diego's x3) In regards to what Red is talking about, I sort of took it as, yes, the faeries put great value behind their names and Annie knows it, but perhaps when Annie was offering one to Ayliu, her offer didn't come with that value behind it. Rather than give a meaningful gift that Ayliu wanted, she took advantage of the faerie system for her own benefit. Annie has been portrayed as finding the faerie culture a bit silly to begin with, so perhaps she's being called out on that by not putting enough weight behind their own priorities and well beings.
Whether Red is actually right about this or not, I'm not too sure, seeing as she's in the middle of making her point, so she might bring in new details. For now, though, that's sort of the angle I interpreted from her.
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Post by Gelquie on Mar 8, 2017 19:58:34 GMT -5
Twillie - Robot was hardly mentioned at all since Jeanne's death. xD I had to kind to look to see if anyone bothered to pick up Robot at all. Though at the same time, if Robot did die, I feel like it'd be a bit weird to not focus on that for the rest of the chapter and then have a chapter with an entirely different focus and then go "oh, btw, Robot died". So I'm guessing he's not.
Hmm, yeah, that could well be possible. She's definitely making her way there. And true, then she would kind of be making her own self-fulfilling prophecy on accident by giving them life, making them able to enter the ether and allow their beliefs on Kat to be absorbed and made reality. That sounds pretty awesome, actually. "Congratulations Kat, you accidentally made yourself a god!"
(Yeah, makes sense. xD I see it more as her being a spiritual (and kinder) successor to Diego's work. But we'll see.) Ah, yeah, that makes a bit more sense when you put it that way. Thinking on it more, maybe it's like the difference between a rabbit retrieving a carrot from a garden and retrieving a carrot from a bear trap. And for the latter, you don't necessarily blame the rabbit for going for it because it's high-value to them, but the blame is put on the person who set the trap?
Although Ayilu is still smarter than a rabbit, but maybe there's a better person-oriented metaphor for this that goes along the same lines. Maybe like "go get that super important thing you need from that active death trap!" or something.
And that's also true on the culture thing if it's being taken as Annie taking advantage of the faerie system with not so much regard to their well-being. And the faerie culture has definitely been taken as not taken seriously. I'm not positive if Annie is taking it that way, though. That is, I can't tell either way, and I feel like I need to see more future comics before I can tell how seriously she took the culture when she approached Ayilu with her offer.
Anyway, I think both of what you said is closer to what Red's getting at, in which case, yeah, her point is more clear. Thanks for clarifying. ^^
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Post by Gelquie on Aug 3, 2018 17:48:58 GMT -5
Reviving this for the latest events unfolding (Chapter 68, posting as of Page 12) I'm just... very concerned for Annie.
Like, there is just no end to the red flags I'm seeing here.
I think there's probably a way for her loophole her way out of the situation where I think this is going, but it doesn't make it less concerning or Loup less dangerous as a whole. |
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Post by Gelquie on May 25, 2020 19:19:48 GMT -5
Reviving this, because uh... The latest pages. (Latest one is 2309.) And after reading some commentary on the Gunnerkrigg forums (and so I may have leapfrogged off of some of those ideas)... WAIT A MINUTE, WAIT ONE MINUTE. So, Kat's either modifying an existing Tic Toc... or she's building one for the first time.
After reading some forum posts that show that the Tic Tocs disappeared after rescuing Annie from falling from the bridge, and Kat commenting that she never saw one... And yet she's making one anyway.
This whole arc is at least partially about Annie being shifted in time, and it was confirmed that "Neither of them should be here."
Which for a while, I took as Loup taking a third Annie to keep for himself for some selfish reason.
But then he seems intent on either Annies returning and doing his errands. Besides the errands, why would he be so insistent on their company if he really kept an Annie to himself?
We've only seen the Tic Tocs act to save Annie... And Kat's smart enough to create a robot that can do this.
And it seems like Kat is intent on figuring out the Temporality of all of this.
And then...
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What if neither Annie is supposed to be here...
Because she's supposed to be dead?
She only survived the fall into the Annan Waters because of the Tic Tocs. But if the Tic Tocs are only now being created, then nothing would've stopped Annie from plummeting to her doom.
Except it's been shown with Jones that perhaps something can exist before it was created.
So perhaps she wasn't supposed to be here... well before the Loup thing happened. It was just that the Loup trick clued everyone in to this.
That is one heck of a time paradox.
(And that is one very long con, dang. Kudos. |
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I thought Winsbury and Janet already became a couple? And revealed it to everyone?
