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Post by Rider on Jan 28, 2007 17:41:45 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]OK, the issue came up towards the beginning of 'bloid 135. Do things like polygamy and incest and a family tree in 5 dimensions make the Tabloids less fun? Are people feeling boxed-in by their relations? How do we keep that feeling of monotony and trapped-ness away?
Do our personas tend to create a mold and then become trapped in that mold? is it impossible for a well-established persona to change?
Do people take Tabloidal relationships too seriously?
Any additional questions/comments?
I created this thread so we could discuss the issue. Even if you told me your opinion on the 'bloids, I want it here so I don't have to dig. I am a lazy bum. [/glow]
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Post by Stal on Jan 28, 2007 17:47:16 GMT -5
My opinions of the matter are this:
Polygamy/Incest on the 'bloids: Hey, if that's what you want, go for it. And if you're not cool with it, well dump the rear of the person doing so. You don't have to stay married to anyone on the 'bloids. And NO ONE should take ANY 'bloidal relationship in ANY SERIOUS MANNER. Because they're not meant to be and never were intended to get that way.
Personas/Relations: It's up to you. If you don't want to be related to someone anymore, just say that you aren't. Your persona, who you're related to, who you're married to...they're up to you (and the other people that would be involved...i.e. you need someone's permission before you say they're you're father... <.<).
What it comes down to is taking more personal responsibility for yourself, your persona, and your fun on the 'bloids instead of blaming it all on other people and how they do things...
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Post by Ikkin on Jan 28, 2007 17:58:22 GMT -5
Personally, I don't have any problem with the way the Bloids are run. It's just a game, and taking games too seriously makes them less fun. I haven't even really been paying attention to the relationships I'm supposed to have to people. I'm mainly there for the chat.  However, if people think that they're being trapped in their personas, I suppose a few 'official' ways of changing personas should be in order. I mean, 'marriage,' 'divorce,' 'adoption,' and 'birth' are all 'official' relationship changes, so adding a few more wouldn't be something completely new. (And by 'official,' I mean 'agreed upon by Bloiders) 'Divorce,' while not a nice thing in real life, is completely accepted in the Bloids. 'Disownment' could be as well, if you want to break familial relations. And, for people who want to change themselves around radically (or want to get out of relationships in a non-mean sounding way), there could be the choice of 'reincarnation' if you die and refuse phoenix down/revival by Sev. Your persona then starts from square one, and you can change anything you want from it (and keep anything that you still want to keep). If you have absentee spouses who you can't even remember, you could get rid of them this way. If you wanted to change from the Bloidal polygamist to someone totally faithful, and you want everyone to know it, you could do it this way. It would kind of be like a Bloid reset, except just for you, rather than everyone. I don't think things like that would really be necessary, though I could imagine someone could find them useful. |
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Post by Fj0rd on Jan 28, 2007 18:00:55 GMT -5
As I said... somewhere on the Tabloids... um, anyway:
I think what's happening is that the yay-let's-all-be-friends part of the Tabloids is mixing up with the passionate-love-affair part of the Tabloids... people sort of need to chill out and snog someone randomly.
I don't know, maybe if we had two threads for the Tabloids for a bit? One would have the general chat, and one would have the snogging and making-out-ing and rumors about who likes whom, to keep it lighter and less commitment-oriented. It would take a lot of effort to divide the two but... yeah. Just brainstorming here.
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Post by Ikkin on Jan 28, 2007 18:07:42 GMT -5
As I said... somewhere on the Tabloids... um, anyway: I think what's happening is that the yay-let's-all-be-friends part of the Tabloids is mixing up with the passionate-love-affair part of the Tabloids... people sort of need to chill out and snog someone randomly. I don't know, maybe if we had two threads for the Tabloids for a bit? One would have the general chat, and one would have the snogging and making-out-ing and rumors about who likes whom, to keep it lighter and less commitment-oriented. It would take a lot of effort to divide the two but... yeah. Just brainstorming here. I'm not sure if having two Bloids would work out... In my experience, when threads get separated into two separate threads, it makes it hard to keep up, and tends to end up with less pages in total. And since the two parts of the Bloids are so hard to separate anyway... it probably wouldn't help very much, anyway. |
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Post by phoenixblessed on Jan 28, 2007 18:09:18 GMT -5
Polygamy/Incest + Bloids:I'm actually fine with the ways things are. The bloids are not meant to be any serious dating service. It's all for fun. We're all friends. If you dont understand that, then you should know better. Issues such as our messed-up family tree gets old a little bit, since we've kinda overused incest a bit, but it doesnt affect the fun of the bloids. These bloid 'relationships' are meant all in honest fun, as I said before, and if you're really bored with that, you should SNOG RIDER. Serious. Stir up a little drama.(See Stal's closet encounter with Rider). Personas: Well that may be true. But that's how we portray ourselves. If you want to change, go ahead. There's no one who can say else-wise. Crystal's not going to go castrate Stal if he suddenly had an urge to dress up in all pink. Xiv's not going to include you in her new horror fanfict because you changed from a pirate to a ninja. I'm not going to brutally torture you until you die fifty times and then use phoenixdown to revive you again to repeat. Changes are necessary, sometimes. It makes everything more interesting.  Relationships: I don't think most take it seriously. At least, I dont. I'm not horribly heartbroken that Da-da went on to marry Spot, or that he denies everything. It's the bloids. Fun. Drama. Action. Romance. It's all play and fun. That's what makes the bloids fun. ^_^ (Stal, you are my father. See the first part of my post :3)
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Post by Fj0rd on Jan 28, 2007 18:18:07 GMT -5
As I said... somewhere on the Tabloids... um, anyway: I think what's happening is that the yay-let's-all-be-friends part of the Tabloids is mixing up with the passionate-love-affair part of the Tabloids... people sort of need to chill out and snog someone randomly. I don't know, maybe if we had two threads for the Tabloids for a bit? One would have the general chat, and one would have the snogging and making-out-ing and rumors about who likes whom, to keep it lighter and less commitment-oriented. It would take a lot of effort to divide the two but... yeah. Just brainstorming here. I'm not sure if having two Bloids would work out... In my experience, when threads get separated into two separate threads, it makes it hard to keep up, and tends to end up with less pages in total. And since the two parts of the Bloids are so hard to separate anyway... it probably wouldn't help very much, anyway. Well, if you just want to chat, go to the one, and if you just want to spread rumors about people and snog, go to the other. *shrug* And the 'Bloids have so many pages anyway, it's not like we couldn't afford to lose a few. It's not like I'm married to this idea or anything, by the way, I just thought I should throw something out there for consideration. (Your reincarnation idea is cool... we might have to have a separate thread to register changes, if we do that? If you just post on the 'Bloids and go "Okay, now I'm reincarnating and keeping this husband but not this one", only the online people would even see it, most likely. Especially for little changes, since a major persona change is easily recognizable whereas if you're just changing one small thing or another, then people might not even realize you'd changed. But I do think it sounds cool.) |
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Post by Ikkin on Jan 28, 2007 18:27:33 GMT -5
I'm not sure if having two Bloids would work out... In my experience, when threads get separated into two separate threads, it makes it hard to keep up, and tends to end up with less pages in total. And since the two parts of the Bloids are so hard to separate anyway... it probably wouldn't help very much, anyway. Well, if you just want to chat, go to the one, and if you just want to spread rumors about people and snog, go to the other. *shrug* And the 'Bloids have so many pages anyway, it's not like we couldn't afford to lose a few. It's not like I'm married to this idea or anything, by the way, I just thought I should throw something out there for consideration. Likewise, I wouldn't be that opposed to it. Just throwing out some possible consequences for consideration. Actually, that would be a good idea anyway... there's a lot of times when people don't figure out they've been divorced for weeks, or something. I like the persona register thing... probably as a sticky thread. |
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Post by Fj0rd on Jan 28, 2007 18:32:45 GMT -5
Well, if you just want to chat, go to the one, and if you just want to spread rumors about people and snog, go to the other. *shrug* And the 'Bloids have so many pages anyway, it's not like we couldn't afford to lose a few. It's not like I'm married to this idea or anything, by the way, I just thought I should throw something out there for consideration. Likewise, I wouldn't be that opposed to it. Just throwing out some possible consequences for consideration. Actually, that would be a good idea anyway... there's a lot of times when people don't figure out they've been divorced for weeks, or something. I like the persona register thing... probably as a sticky thread. Ostensibly there's already one in Off Topic, but I think everyone's forgotten about it... |
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Post by Ikkin on Jan 28, 2007 18:35:19 GMT -5
Likewise, I wouldn't be that opposed to it. Just throwing out some possible consequences for consideration. Actually, that would be a good idea anyway... there's a lot of times when people don't figure out they've been divorced for weeks, or something. I like the persona register thing... probably as a sticky thread. Ostensibly there's already one in Off Topic, but I think everyone's forgotten about it... Well, I kind of intended that one as major persona things - if you change your persona from a non-magical purple dog to an elven princess with light magic, you'd post it there. If you get a new 'Bloid wife, you don't. (That's why I didn't post it on the Tabloids) This would be something different, where even minor changes would deserve a post of their own. |
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Post by Fj0rd on Jan 28, 2007 18:37:35 GMT -5
Ostensibly there's already one in Off Topic, but I think everyone's forgotten about it... Well, I kind of intended that one as major persona things - if you change your persona from a non-magical purple dog to an elven princess with light magic, you'd post it there. If you get a new 'Bloid wife, you don't. (That's why I didn't post it on the Tabloids) This would be something different, where even minor changes would deserve a post of their own. Makes sense. Yeah, the other one is more for major events. Which don't happen too often, so that's probably why people rarely post there. XD Logic! Yay. |
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Post by Killix on Jan 29, 2007 11:38:33 GMT -5
Don't like what's going on with your persona's relationships?
Just drink an Undo Potion. ^_^
Nobody can force you to play along with anything, your persona is your property.
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Post by cyrillen on Jan 29, 2007 16:34:10 GMT -5
I'm sorry about how I was yesterday. I was feeling down.
Actually, the bloids are actually very fun the way they are. The first few weeks I was at the bloids, I came upon the Friendly Reminder for Bloiders thread, and I think that basically it outlines the feelings of the majority.
Just personally, I feel like sometimes, the Bloids overwhelm me, and then I take a break for a week, or a month, or a few months and post minimally as possible. I think that making not rules, but tips like reincarnation would be good if they're there to remind people of their freedom as bloiders, and also to make things less confusing. The Family Tree campaign started to help with that, but I think that the Persona Register would be a good supplement.
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Post by Huntress on Jan 29, 2007 18:48:34 GMT -5
The thing with all those relationships is, the 'bloids are a very, very social place. As Ginz said last night (I think it was her) - be related to one single person on the 'bloids and you're not in charge of your family tree any more. I personally don't have a problem with the current 'bloidal status, though I've been thinking of simply starting to deny my relation to some of those wife-in-laws who rarely show up and whose names I don't even remember any more.
(Or I could become a creepy matriarch who rules all those little in-laws and their kids with iron fists and calls them in case of any emergencies, like when she wants a cup of tea... right, shameless Terry Pratchett plug right there, moving on.)
The thing is, all those divorces-disownments-etc etc really have to be generally accepted, and there are many 'bloiders. There are many more or less temporarily inactive spouses-kids-second cousins and etc. and people aren't online all the time, and news about new relations travel by word of mouth, aaaand my general point prolly is, a 'bloidal persona thread would even be a good idea but I do fear that it might end up the way those usually do - forgotten and outdated. And let's face it, one person updates their relations and the rest of the 'bloiders need to update as well. That's why it's a family tree.
Not saying that it's a bad idea, it would be a nice thing to have around here, I'm just pointing out that it wouldn't entirely work out.
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Post by Ikkin on Jan 29, 2007 18:53:24 GMT -5
The thing with all those relationships is, the 'bloids are a very, very social place. As Ginz said last night (I think it was her) - be related to one single person on the 'bloids and you're not in charge of your family tree any more. I personally don't have a problem with the current 'bloidal status, though I've been thinking of simply starting to deny my relation to some of those wife-in-laws who rarely show up and whose names I don't even remember any more. ( Or I could become a creepy matriarch who rules all those little in-laws and their kids with iron fists and calls them in case of any emergencies, like when she wants a cup of tea... right, shameless Terry Pratchett plug right there, moving on.) The thing is, all those divorces-disownments-etc etc really have to be generally accepted, and there are many 'bloiders. There are many more or less temporarily inactive spouses-kids-second cousins and etc. and people aren't online all the time, and news about new relations travel by word of mouth, aaaand my general point prolly is, a 'bloidal persona thread would even be a good idea but I do fear that it might end up the way those usually do - forgotten and outdated. And let's face it, one person updates their relations and the rest of the 'bloiders need to update as well. That's why it's a family tree. Not saying that it's a bad idea, it would be a nice thing to have around here, I'm just pointing out that it wouldn't entirely work out. I think if a Bloidal persona thread was an accepted thing, it might self-perpetuate, and create some fun situations on the Bloids themselves. Someone marries someone else, and doesn't update, so their spouse can angst about the person not loving them enough to confirm the relationship, or something like that.  Also, if it only included mothers, fathers, sisters, and brothers, it wouldn't have the problem of the updating for every little change. I think it's worth a try, at least. ^_^ |
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