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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2004 21:23:24 GMT -5
How is bashing conservatives helping the U.S.? By showing that liberals are better. Okay, I really shouldn't say that. After all, I'm a conservative Democrat. Yes, it is possible. Basically, I don't believe in the Republican philosophy of "Give to the rich, and then let the money trickle down to the poor," works at all. However, I also don't think that we need a lot of freedoms, such as a lower drinking age, or legalized marijuana. |
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Post by Jessica Coconut on Aug 24, 2004 21:41:25 GMT -5
That's not true. If you just plain suck at it, you instill biases. It's not our fault if it's our nature to pick at little things like that. Sure, we can know what you mean, but it turns on another of the "stupidity alarms". And soon when enough stupidity alarms are activated, you can't take it anymore, and whatever smart thing they say is almost forgotten or not considered. It's not easy to look smart after making an entire country believe you're dumb, whether or not it was only psycological, or a fluke that everyone happened to hear the stupid things you say. It's not the best way to run any sort of campaign.
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Post by Tahu on Aug 24, 2004 22:15:06 GMT -5
And Tahu, I despise people who said he lied. Somehow I take offense at this... Now, it may be that he didn't lie. I don't know. But the way I see it, instead of just telling people that we invaded Iraq because it has lots of Oil, he used the WMD's as a coverup. I see this as lying. And as I mentioned, these are just some reasons why I don't like him. I really dislike him because he beleives in the opposite of nearly everything I beilve in. I really don't know who is right or who is wrong. All I know is that I have my views, and he has his, and, I guess, you have yours. If you wish to despise me for this, fine, but know that I hold no grudge agaisn't you. |
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Post by Stal on Aug 24, 2004 22:29:55 GMT -5
Somehow I take offense at this... Now, it may be that he didn't lie. I don't know. But the way I see it, instead of just telling people that we invaded Iraq because it has lots of Oil, he used the WMD's as a coverup. I see this as lying. And as I mentioned, these are just some reasons why I don't like him. I really dislike him because he beleives in the opposite of nearly everything I beilve in. I really don't know who is right or who is wrong. All I know is that I have my views, and he has his, and, I guess, you have yours. If you wish to despise me for this, fine, but know that I hold no grudge agaisn't you. It actually came out wrong. What i meant is I despise that people actually say it. Right now my mind is in la-la land from Pre-Calc (I can't think straight! And I have to get these problems done by tomorrow). By the way, if we invaded Iraq because of the oil? Where is it? Why don't we have it? Why are the gas prices still rising? Where's your proof we took the oil? |
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Post by Crystal on Aug 25, 2004 0:16:55 GMT -5
Since I don't know peanuts about Bush OR Kerry, I'll just stay far, far away from this.... And anyway I couldn't run for president. I've got a few too many skeletons in the closet. Oh, the happy happy closet.
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Post by Tdyans on Aug 25, 2004 0:24:45 GMT -5
Since I don't know peanuts about Bush OR Kerry, I'll just stay far, far away from this.... And anyway I couldn't run for president. I've got a few too many skeletons in the closet. Oh, the happy happy closet. Closet: *burp!* Mmmm, skeletons.... |
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Post by Crystal on Aug 25, 2004 0:48:37 GMT -5
Closet: *burp!* Mmmm, skeletons....  I'll bet you just couldn't resist that... |
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Post by Buddy on Aug 25, 2004 8:58:59 GMT -5
Buddy...WHAT DOES IT MATTER? He still passed one of the most prestigious schools in the US. I'd love to see you do that. You know what? You're right. I got stuck up on that one little part. And I hate people who do that - latch onto one litle item and blab about it over and over. Gosh... I've turned into the one thing I hate... *facepalm* And for the record, I don't, nor ever thought, the President lied. |
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Post by Tahu on Aug 25, 2004 9:16:36 GMT -5
By the way, if we invaded Iraq because of the oil? Where is it? Why don't we have it? Why are the gas prices still rising? Where's your proof we took the oil? Meh.... I got my real theorys mixed up with my conspiracy ones again...but hey, you are right. There was no reason to invade Iraq... |
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Post by Tahu on Aug 25, 2004 10:09:29 GMT -5
Now this is absurd... I just found this on a website, and while I can't guarentee it's authenticity, everything else on it so far has been true... This is an excerpt from an article first published on salon.com...
There's also Lynn Novick, a co-producer of Ken Burns' PBS series "Baseball," who had the rare treat of accompanying Bush to a Texas Rangers game in the summer of 1994, before he was elected governor. "He was a very gracious host," Novick says. "He was perfectly pleasant. Until he changed the subject."
Bush mentioned something about Yale University, from which he graduated in 1968. Novick graduated from Yale in 1983, so she brought it up, thinking it would be "like a bonding thing."
"When did you graduate?" Bush asked her, as she recalls. She told him. That's when Bush told her that Yale "went downhill since they admitted women."
"I said, 'Excuse me?'" Novick says. "I thought he was kidding. But he didn't seem to be kidding. I said, 'What do you mean?'"
Bush replied that "something had been lost" when women were fully admitted to Yale in 1969, that fraternities were big when he'd been there, providing a "great camaraderie for the men." But that went out the window when women were allowed in, Bush said.
"He said something like, 'Women changed the social dynamic for the worse,'" she says. "I was so stunned, shocked and insulted, I didn't know what to say."
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Post by sollunaestrella on Aug 25, 2004 10:14:23 GMT -5
Now this is absurd... I just found this on a website, and while I can't guarentee it's authenticity, everything else on it so far has been true... This is an excerpt from an article first published on salon.com... There's also Lynn Novick, a co-producer of Ken Burns' PBS series "Baseball," who had the rare treat of accompanying Bush to a Texas Rangers game in the summer of 1994, before he was elected governor. "He was a very gracious host," Novick says. "He was perfectly pleasant. Until he changed the subject." Bush mentioned something about Yale University, from which he graduated in 1968. Novick graduated from Yale in 1983, so she brought it up, thinking it would be "like a bonding thing." "When did you graduate?" Bush asked her, as she recalls. She told him. That's when Bush told her that Yale "went downhill since they admitted women." "I said, 'Excuse me?'" Novick says. "I thought he was kidding. But he didn't seem to be kidding. I said, 'What do you mean?'" Bush replied that "something had been lost" when women were fully admitted to Yale in 1969, that fraternities were big when he'd been there, providing a "great camaraderie for the men." But that went out the window when women were allowed in, Bush said. "He said something like, 'Women changed the social dynamic for the worse,'" she says. "I was so stunned, shocked and insulted, I didn't know what to say." Meh... I'm tired of people who quote that with shock. I mean, come on - of course the social dynamic of a school is going to change when women are allowed into it. Girls, if you went to an all-girls school and they suddenly let in the boys, wouldn't you be a little bit resentful - wouldn't you feel some sort of... secrecy would have been lost? I don't think Bush meant that women are evil or bad or shouldn't get an education. He was just saying that they changed the atmosphere of the school. |
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Post by Buddy on Aug 25, 2004 10:55:22 GMT -5
Meh... I'm tired of people who quote that with shock. I mean, come on - of course the social dynamic of a school is going to change when women are allowed into it. Girls, if you went to an all-girls school and they suddenly let in the boys, wouldn't you be a little bit resentful - wouldn't you feel some sort of... secrecy would have been lost? I don't think Bush meant that women are evil or bad or shouldn't get an education. He was just saying that they changed the atmosphere of the school. Really? Because it would be easy to assume that he had a negative preference to them letting women into Yale when he used the phrase that it "went downhill" or that the social dynamic changed "for the worse". It doesn't look like Bush is trying to make a social observation - it looks as if he's expressing a negative attitude towards them letting women into Yale. But then, reality is perception, I suppose... Closet: *burp!* Mmmm, skeletons.... That was so cheesy and you know it! ;D |
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Post by Kiddo on Aug 25, 2004 11:15:45 GMT -5
Really? Because it would be easy to assume that he had a negative preference to them letting women into Yale when he used the phrase that it "went downhill" or that the social dynamic changed "for the worse". It doesn't look like Bush is trying to make a social observation - it looks as if he's expressing a negative attitude towards them letting women into Yale. But then, reality is perception, I suppose... One of the things we discussed at our floor meeting was why we were so glad there are no icky guys on our floor and how the floors that do have men smell bad. (third floor reeked last year. We were thinking about raising a collection to buy all the males up there air fresheners) I'd be upset if they let guys into our floor. I enjoy being an exclusive uptight snob about the opposite gender. I could believe that. There's a camaraderie among us girls here on the second floor. If guys were allowed to live on this floor, then yes, it would definitely throw that out the window. Perhaps Bush could have been a bit more tactful, but I understand the sentiment. I get sick of being treated like I'm part of some oppressed class that needs special treatment simply because I'm a woman. And I betcha anything that if some women started complaining about letting guys into an all-girl school people would cry bloody murder in favor of the females. |
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Post by Stal on Aug 25, 2004 11:36:35 GMT -5
And I betcha anything that if some women started complaining about letting guys into an all-girl school people would cry bloody murder in favor of the females. You know they would. It would remain all-female. But anymore saying guys only is...well...it's sexist and discriminatory. I understand Bush's sentiment. Guys have their castles and forts. When it's like that, just guys, they're fine. They can be a bit less gaurded. Stuff comes easier. But you let the girls in, and all that is lost. *shrugs* Oh, and Tahu, there was a reason to invade Iraq. We had reports that Iraq had WMDs and ready to use 'em against us. Britain had the same reports. We knew Saddam was despotic and evil. We've seen the mass graves and how demented the man was. So we went in to take Saddam out, liberate Iraq, and get rid of the WMD threat. Let me ask you a question...wouldn't it be better to have this taken care of now or to find out only too late (as in they were used against us) that Saddam had the weapons and was going to use 'em? You'd be screaming bloody murder at Bush if he hadn't gone in and taken care of it when he had the intelligence! Just like the people from the 9/11 commision. You can also say Bush was just finishing his Father's work. Well, let me tell you something, that work should've been finished with Clinton. But Clinton didn't do it. So after that 8 year relaxation, all of a sudden it's wrong to finish a job that was left undone? Heh. According to some, I guess it is. |
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Post by Tahu on Aug 25, 2004 15:49:13 GMT -5
Well, why Iraq? Why did we invade there. There are plenty of other oppressed people. Look at Sudan! And why didn't we invade Pakistan? They have nuclear capabilities...
My Knowladge of the Gulf War is very limited, as I was like born when it was ending. But what I was able to pick up was that Bush the first saw that Iraq was a threat to his Saudi buddies, so he had to bail them out. I guess Dubya was just finishing that...
Now, my bealiefs could be completely wrong, but I think I'll finish this with a quote from Mr. Dubya...
"I know what I believe. I will continue to articulate what I believe and what I believe -- I believe what I believe is right. "
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