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Post by calvinseviltwin on Jan 1, 2003 21:13:20 GMT -5
I am officially confused... You're not alone |
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Post by oddhatter on Jan 1, 2003 21:20:06 GMT -5
Well, there ought to be. I think it's completely unethical for the Neopets team to claim that they have every right to OUR stuff, and can use it anywhere without giving us a shred of credit. Perhaps I should go over some more copyright laws to see if this really is legal. It is legal. It is not unethical to say "we can do this". As a matter of fact - your fan art and fan fiction is legally copyrighted to them ANYWAY(as I repeat again...). It doesn't matter if I put a mask and a cape on a poogle - it is STILL a poogle. However, it may be unethical to actually do it. If anything, I'm glad that they encourage both fan art and fan fiction. It is more than can be said about some places. Maybe I'll write an article. It is an incredibly dry subject but hey - it can't hurt. And for reference - www.loc.gov/copyright/ |
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Post by Linnen is far to lazy on Jan 1, 2003 21:36:36 GMT -5
If anything, I'm glad that they encourage both fan art and fan fiction. It is more than can be said about some places. Yes, that's true. And not only do they encourage it, but you get credit for the things you made. ^_^ I've seen some cooperations go on a mad spreed, shutting down all these websites that are devoted to one of their creations if they have fanart or anything or the characters... Warner Brothers tried to shut down a whole slew of Harry Potter fansites, more or less because they had some fanfictions and stuff in it... Quite sad... But Neopets would never, honestly, use our stuff in advertisments or other things. They have a whole slew of artists and wouldn't want to angry everyone. They have ethics and I'm sure don't sit around all day and wonder "Hrm, how can we rip off this poor 9 year old?! I know! Let's steal their fanart, publish it and make money!" |
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Post by sara on Jan 1, 2003 21:42:08 GMT -5
But Neopets would never, honestly, use our stuff in advertisments or other things. They have a whole slew of artists and wouldn't want to angry everyone. They have ethics and I'm sure don't sit around all day and wonder "Hrm, how can we rip off this poor 9 year old?! I know! Let's steal their fanart, publish it and make money!" Exactly - I think Aera_Eaglewings was getting too paranoid about the whole issue (unless she's considering submitting her work to a conventional publisher one day or something). In a way it's nice that the Neopets staff lets you know about this in the Terms - after all, they have the right anyway. The do have better things to do than make than to ruin the fun of their fans. After all, all of the fan websites are *giving* them more publicity. But if anyone is sincerely concerned about their work being ripped off, then feel free to not submit stuff to Neopets! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2003 21:49:07 GMT -5
But if anyone is sincerely concerned about their work being ripped off, then feel free to not submit stuff to Neopets! I will do just that. :D Patjade, I'm sorry. I didn't see your post. Your Korean isn't bad at all and a happy and healthy New Year to you too. :3 I'm very confused, but I'm going to keep going and slowly stop Neopets art. Thanks for all your, er, input. |
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Post by Patjade on Jan 1, 2003 21:50:18 GMT -5
But Neopets would never, honestly, use our stuff in advertisments or other things. They have a whole slew of artists and wouldn't want to angry everyone. They have ethics and I'm sure don't sit around all day and wonder "Hrm, how can we rip off this poor 9 year old?! I know! Let's steal their fanart, publish it and make money!" Very true. And the writers and artists have the honor of being "published" by a site that has a fan base in the millions. I am willing to bet there will be a a few accomplished writers and artists who can claim they got their break on Neopets. If you do a good job on what is published here, those fans are JUST as likely to go out and get your Non-Neopet art or stories if they ever became available. You can count on it. And Neopets would be the ones that gave you that recognition. It's a two-way street. |
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Post by sara on Jan 1, 2003 22:21:18 GMT -5
Very true. And the writers and artists have the honor of being "published" by a site that has a fan base in the millions. I am willing to bet there will be a a few accomplished writers and artists who can claim they got their break on Neopets. If you do a good job on what is published here, those fans are JUST as likely to go out and get your Non-Neopet art or stories if they ever became available. You can count on it. And Neopets would be the ones that gave you that recognition. It's a two-way street. That's already happened. I've read Scriptfox's non-neopets stories, and I love them. But I would have never known about them if it weren't for Neopets, would I? |
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Post by Patjade on Jan 1, 2003 22:31:55 GMT -5
That's already happened. I've read Scriptfox's non-neopets stories, and I love them. But I would have never known about them if it weren't for Neopets, would I? That's what I mean. WE wouldn't be here if it weren't for Neopets. And I see a LOT of talent on this site, both regarding Neopets, and in other endeavors. We all can give examples of people here who we would gladly purchase a Non-Neopet comic book, er "Graphic Novel" or novel, or short story collection, etc. I won't provide specific names, since somebody would say "Well, what about me?". |
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Post by streamingblue on Jan 1, 2003 22:35:56 GMT -5
you can also think of it the other way.. if it weren't for neopets. a lot of people may not be reading as much. i myself love to read.. but i know many people that don't read novels on a regular basis.. but since they read hte neopian times it helps to keep their reading up.. i dunno.. it's a thought
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Post by twayblade807 on Jan 2, 2003 0:30:16 GMT -5
Actually, I pity his inbox when he gets back! 2 weeks of submissions will be FUN to go through... Nope, I sent him a submission recently and he did reply really soon (one auto-reply and one one-sentence-reply). So he still checks e-mail, apparently. That's not lazy at all  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2003 0:32:06 GMT -5
After a bit of re-reading of the ToCs and the links on copyrights that Oddhatter has so thoughtfully posted, I've decided to keep drawing Neopets artwork. I just won't submit it anymore. Silly me. n_n;;;
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Post by Tdyans on Jan 2, 2003 3:21:55 GMT -5
The biggest change I've ever heard of in a story was the changing of an eyrie's color from blue to yellow. LOL, I really never thought of it as that big of a change... just kind of a funny and odd one, but ultimately inconsequential. I could probably say something on this whole topic, but chances are it's already been said, so I'll just keep reading and (maybe) keep my mouth shut. |
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Post by Tdyans on Jan 2, 2003 3:40:25 GMT -5
I'm a little confused as to what you mean... Are you saying, be careful about using non-Neopets characters that are your own creation in Neopets comics, or are you talking about something entirely different?
My opinion pretty much aligns with oddhatter's on this. Hey, we're being encouraged to create fanfiction and fanart (something X-Files fans, for one, would be endlessly grateful for), and we're given the chance to have them published on a web site and seen and responded to by other people. Yes, there's a bit of a trade in, but as has been said, I'd like to believe that although Neopets has to cover itself legally, on the ethical side of things (not to mention that it wants to keep its players happy,) it would not really take advantage of all that it says it can.
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Post by mushroom on Jan 2, 2003 13:19:30 GMT -5
So...if we used...I dunno, a human character named Bob in a Neopets fanfic that we submitted and had published, could we later use Bob again in a non-Neopets story we sold and from which we made a bunch of money, if no Neopet was mentioned whatsoever? If not, could we use Joe, who talks, looks, and acts just like Bob?
I'm rather confused now...
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Post by oddhatter on Jan 2, 2003 13:27:07 GMT -5
So...if we used...I dunno, a human character named Bob in a Neopets fanfic that we submitted and had published, could we later use Bob again in a non-Neopets story we sold and from which we made a bunch of money, if no Neopet was mentioned whatsoever? If not, could we use Joe, who talks, looks, and acts just like Bob? I'm rather confused now... See, this is where the "errrrr" legal iffyness comes in. There isn't any legal precedent for it because well, large corporations haven't been using user submitted works left and right. So, yeah, you could probably use "Bob", although technically he is owned by Neopets. But realistically - will they actually do anything? No. This runs into the ethical issue department. It also runs into the "more trouble than it's worth to bother with" department. But if you're really nervous - just go with Jim, and keep all Neopian characters neopian. |
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