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Post by noremac9 on Mar 8, 2003 20:25:43 GMT -5
Something Has Happened!
The bohemian devil says, "Thanks for the soul, SUCKER!" and flys away, cackling with joy.
Yup, I sold it. After 10+ poetry rejections, I sold out. I looked at the people who've been able to be published lately, and I knew what I had to do. I had to take out all meaning, all deepness, and all good writing out of my poetry to win. So I sent in a piece of crap. After months of writing rejected poems, two days later I'm published. All because I want to get some more trohpies, and I need some money, I sold my artistic soul. I'm a slut. I'm a sell out. I'm one paint brush, and one 1X CHAMPION!!! richer. I make me sick...
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Post by LDF on Mar 8, 2003 20:35:46 GMT -5
o-O Erm... Can I say that I did not understand about half of that...?
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Post by Smiley on Mar 8, 2003 20:39:48 GMT -5
o-O Erm... Can I say that I did not understand about half of that...? You know how he's the big poetry champ? Well, basically, he hasn't been lately. When he looked at the ones that did get in, he saw that they were so stupid and pointless and just...yeah. So he made one along those lines, completely going against everything he stands for, and it got in. Disgusting, really... At least, that's how I interpreted it ;D |
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Post by noremac9 on Mar 8, 2003 20:41:37 GMT -5
o-O Erm... Can I say that I did not understand about half of that...? Sure, no one's stopping you. Basically, it goes like this (here's the SIMPLE version). I've been writing decent poems that keep getting rejected. I look at who's winning, and they write crap. As an experiment, I write crap. I gets published. I feel like a sell-out because I'm writing for the money, not the art of it. End of story. |
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Post by LDF on Mar 8, 2003 20:42:49 GMT -5
Oh...
I haven't written too much lately, only stuff for school T_T Maybe I should throw away the past and think of the future...
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Post by mushroom on Mar 8, 2003 20:51:03 GMT -5
I've been writing decent poems that keep getting rejected. I look at who's winning, and they write crap. As an experiment, I write crap. I gets published. I feel like a sell-out because I'm writing for the money, not the art of it. End of story. Noremac, I'm sorry. But--well, you've not had "SELL-OUT! SELL-OUT! SELL-OUT!" permanently branded on your forehead, have you? You did this once. (And, like you said, it was an experiment.) Just decide that you did something you don't believe in, write poems for the art of it from now on, and move on.... Forgiving yourself can be much easier said than done, but...well, do it anyway. Sorry my advice is so cliché, but this is the best I can do  |
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Post by noremac9 on Mar 8, 2003 20:57:49 GMT -5
Noremac, I'm sorry. But--well, you've not had "SELL-OUT! SELL-OUT! SELL-OUT!" permanently branded on your forehead, have you? You did this once. (And, like you said, it was an experiment.) Just decide that you did something you don't believe in, write poems for the art of it from now on, and move on.... Forgiving yourself can be much easier said than done, but...well, do it anyway. Sorry my advice is so cliché, but this is the best I can do See, that's the thing. Now I know I can make 50,000 NPs+ in fifteen minutes, yet at the same time ruin my reputation. Not only that, but you've got to understand how it feels to be left in the dust... I used to be number one. Now I'm number four. And that's all fine and dandy, I don't want to be number one, I just would like to have FEW more poems to be remebered by. Yet, I'm not sure if I'd like anyone to remeber me by the poems I'll have to write... and then there's the cash issue... I know I sound like a wishy-washy idiot right now, but it's rough. |
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Post by Battlesunnn on Mar 8, 2003 20:59:04 GMT -5
Sure, no one's stopping you. Basically, it goes like this (here's the SIMPLE version). I've been writing decent poems that keep getting rejected. I look at who's winning, and they write crap. As an experiment, I write crap. I gets published. I feel like a sell-out because I'm writing for the money, not the art of it. End of story. I'm kind of offended by that, actually. I've had a few poems published lately, and it feels as though you're calling them crap! I don't exactly appreciate that kind of critiscm from a guy who's mad just because a poem that he thinks crappy got accepted. |
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Post by Patjade on Mar 8, 2003 21:00:59 GMT -5
Sure, no one's stopping you. Basically, it goes like this (here's the SIMPLE version). I've been writing decent poems that keep getting rejected. I look at who's winning, and they write crap. As an experiment, I write crap. I gets published. I feel like a sell-out because I'm writing for the money, not the art of it. End of story. It was an experiment, Noremac. Don't beat yourself up too badly over it, please. Use it to your advantage and do an expose. |
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Post by noremac9 on Mar 8, 2003 21:02:40 GMT -5
I'm kind of offended by that, actually. I've had a few poems published lately, and it feels as though you're calling them crap! I don't exactly appreciate that kind of critiscm from a guy who's mad just because a poem that he thinks crappy got accepted. No, I'm not really refering to any of the regulars, per se. And especially not you, Sunny, your poems are fine. But it just seemed to me that none of the poems have any meaning anymore, and *most* (not ALL) are poorly written. So I tried that, and it was accepted. That's all I'm saying. |
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Post by lupe on Mar 8, 2003 21:02:47 GMT -5
Um, congrats...?
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Post by Patjade on Mar 8, 2003 21:11:55 GMT -5
Peace everyone.
Noremac wasn't trying to reflect on anyone's writing skills, but merely reflecting on his own attempts.
Battlesunn, don't take it as a jab, OK? I know he didn't mean it that way.
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Post by TK on Mar 8, 2003 21:58:41 GMT -5
Well...er...OK, I'll try to help. I read your poem and here are my thoughts: this poem isn't crap. Seriously. Take the rhyme scheme...how you made it rhyme. You didn't stick to basic internal rhyme (A,B,C,B) you used a whole different type of rhyme (A,A,B,C,C,D). Plus, you didn't use basic rhyme. No, you didn't stick to rhyming 'day' with 'play' and 'go' with 'show'. You rhymed with 'arrived' and 'contrived'. Some were basic, but others were great. Don't beat yourself up because your poem wasn't as good as it could be. Did you see who's poem was published right above yours? That's right, mine. Your message made me think twice. I know I rarely write the Neopets poems to the best of my abilities. That one 'The Celebration of Gadgadsbogen' was just plain bad. Come on, your poem kicked my poem's ass, so to speak. And you are angry because you wrote that poem in 15 minutes: I wrote mine in three.
And I'm not the least bit ashamed, because some of the better poems (not meaning to offend anyone) rarely get published. So in the standards of the Neopets Poetry Contest, my poem got an A. Yours, an A+.
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Post by Princess Ember Mononoke on Mar 8, 2003 22:10:38 GMT -5
See, that's the thing. Now I know I can make 50,000 NPs+ in fifteen minutes, yet at the same time ruin my reputation. Not only that, but you've got to understand how it feels to be left in the dust... I used to be number one. Now I'm number four. And that's all fine and dandy, I don't want to be number one, I just would like to have FEW more poems to be remebered by. Yet, I'm not sure if I'd like anyone to remeber me by the poems I'll have to write... and then there's the cash issue... I know I sound like a wishy-washy idiot right now, but it's rough. Noremac, if it makes you feel this way about yourself, just don't do it! The whole "choose bad poems to be fair to players who can't write poetry" thing is just plain stupid. |
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Post by noremac9 on Mar 8, 2003 22:38:46 GMT -5
Well...er...OK, I'll try to help. I read your poem and here are my thoughts: this poem isn't crap. Seriously. Take the rhyme scheme...how you made it rhyme. You didn't stick to basic internal rhyme (A,B,C,B) you used a whole different type of rhyme (A,A,B,C,C,D). Plus, you didn't use basic rhyme. No, you didn't stick to rhyming 'day' with 'play' and 'go' with 'show'. You rhymed with 'arrived' and 'contrived'. Some were basic, but others were great. Don't beat yourself up because your poem wasn't as good as it could be. Did you see who's poem was published right above yours? That's right, mine. Your message made me think twice. I know I rarely write the Neopets poems to the best of my abilities. That one 'The Celebration of Gadgadsbogen' was just plain bad. Come on, your poem kicked my poem's ass, so to speak. And you are angry because you wrote that poem in 15 minutes: I wrote mine in three. And I'm not the least bit ashamed, because some of the better poems (not meaning to offend anyone) rarely get published. So in the standards of the Neopets Poetry Contest, my poem got an A. Yours, an A+. Well, to be honest, I wasn't referring to the ryhme scheam. You can have a great ryhme scheam, but still leave a lot to be desired. Y'see, the poem might've had okay "writing", but what do you get out of it? Nothing. It's a pointless poem, and apparently, that's what Neopets wants... That's what makes it bad; it brings no enrichment to your mind, and NO ONE will remeber it, because it was just a little diddy. As for your own poems, TK, no offense to you, I've always thought they were bad. However, since you admit that you're not slaving over them, or even pouring much effort into them, that makes me feel better about your writing. Still, it proves the point I'm most worried about: people will assume I can't write. I assumed you weren't a very good poetry writer (not saying ALL your poems are bad, but lately they've been a bit lack-luster), becuase that's what you've got to do to get in. If I choose to take that path, people will assume I'm a bad writer, which is almost, if not, enough to turn in ALL the cash and trophies I've reicived for my poetry. I just don't know... Ember, yeah, I know what you're saying... Still, what else can you make 80K on in ten minutes? I think I'm weighing two choices here. A) Keep writing GOOD poetry, and slaving over them, and being rejected (I've had two poems in the past YEAR published, and I've subtmiited about 20. I won't be published very much if I choose that path, if at all.) B) Put a note on my lookup saying the poetry I write is to cater to the contest, and is nowhere near the top of my skills. Then write BAD poetry and make cash/trohpies. Which would should I do, whoever you are, in your opinion? |
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