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Post by Stal on Mar 28, 2012 12:49:06 GMT -5
Hey guys, it's been about 48 hours since the last post on here. I understand that some of you might get busy, but we're pretty devoted to getting this thing finished and finding a solution. I know discussions on city hall have petered out before, but maybe we can avoid that here?
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Post by Andrea on Mar 28, 2012 13:08:32 GMT -5
Hey guys, it's been about 48 hours since the last post on here. I understand that some of you might get busy, but we're pretty devoted to getting this thing finished and finding a solution. I know discussions on city hall have petered out before, but maybe we can avoid that here? Let's just have one question here to reply to for a moment- what does everyone, Taco regular or not, think of the idea of a separate thread that's like the Taco, but there can be fighting and anyone going in should know what to expect?
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Post by Omni on Mar 28, 2012 14:53:56 GMT -5
Hey guys, it's been about 48 hours since the last post on here. I understand that some of you might get busy, but we're pretty devoted to getting this thing finished and finding a solution. I know discussions on city hall have petered out before, but maybe we can avoid that here? Let's just have one question here to reply to for a moment- what does everyone, Taco regular or not, think of the idea of a separate thread that's like the Taco, but there can be fighting and anyone going in should know what to expect? No. Things are already confusing and segregated enough. I think it would bring up similar troubles as with when the Taco and the 'Bloids separated, and wouldn't do anything about existing tension between people. (I've already heard too many thing on the subject of just splitting up rather than working things out.)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2012 16:52:02 GMT -5
Hey guys, it's been about 48 hours since the last post on here. I understand that some of you might get busy, but we're pretty devoted to getting this thing finished and finding a solution. I know discussions on city hall have petered out before, but maybe we can avoid that here? I hadn't posted anything new since I didn't have anything new to say. Let's just have one question here to reply to for a moment- what does everyone, Taco regular or not, think of the idea of a separate thread that's like the Taco, but there can be fighting and anyone going in should know what to expect? I don't really know if we currently have the numbers for it. In theory that would be a plausible solution; people could go to either one. I wouldn't mind that, really, I'm not against the idea. I just don't think we have the population to make it realistic.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2012 17:15:17 GMT -5
Don't we still have the VS. thread for that sort of thing? ?_?
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Post by Stal on Mar 28, 2012 17:20:32 GMT -5
For the sake of facilitating further discussion on that topic, for Torkie and Omni, could you maybe expand your thoughts?
Right now you're both treating it as a "Separation and split" instead of a specialization thread. Given that the Internet is not bound by physical presence (only one place at a time), having two threads for two views isn't the same as splitting people into the Warmongers and Pacifists. So if you could specifically detail more why you feel a separate dedicated thread wouldn't work, beyond "not enough people" or "we're splitting", that would be good.
And if there is anyone here who feels it would work, please speak up. Or if you also feel it wouldn't please lend your voice to it. A solution can only be achieved with everyone working together here--not just a few.
Edit - Betty, it was described earlier. But essentially, the thread in questioned would serve very similar to what Taco is right now but with less rigid neutrality on violence. Picture the thread being discussed as a rowdy tavern on the rougher side of town, or Tartuga. Something people can go to that's similar to Taco, in the same 'verse, but anything goes as opposed to the Main Taco which would be a nicer coffee shop with people able to relax and have fun and not worry about the atmosphere.
To my understanding, the VS or Arena threads are for formal dueling/fighting only.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2012 17:38:24 GMT -5
For the sake of facilitating further discussion on that topic, for Torkie and Omni, could you maybe expand your thoughts? Right now you're both treating it as a "Separation and split" instead of a specialization thread. I… don't recall saying that sort of thing? Drew asked what thoughts were on having a second thread that operated differently. My response was meant to be just answering what he asked, nothing more. I wasn't really advocating either way.
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Post by Andrea on Mar 28, 2012 17:50:10 GMT -5
Difference between VS. and the idea of Taco Tavern, as I'll now refer to it, is that you can have a bit of chatting in the latter also but should expect some crazy fight to be happening there, whereas chatting in VS or the Arena isn't really allowed, as far as I know.
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Post by Stal on Mar 28, 2012 18:57:10 GMT -5
For the sake of facilitating further discussion on that topic, for Torkie and Omni, could you maybe expand your thoughts? Right now you're both treating it as a "Separation and split" instead of a specialization thread. IÂ… don't recall saying that sort of thing? Drew asked what thoughts were on having a second thread that operated differently. My response was meant to be just answering what he asked, nothing more. I wasn't really advocating either way. My bad. It seemed a hesitant and that you just didn't think it would work because the groups would be smaller.
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Post by Omni on Mar 29, 2012 0:41:30 GMT -5
Right now you're both treating it as a "Separation and split" instead of a specialization thread. Given that the Internet is not bound by physical presence (only one place at a time), having two threads for two views isn't the same as splitting people into the Warmongers and Pacifists. So if you could specifically detail more why you feel a separate dedicated thread wouldn't work, beyond "not enough people" or "we're splitting", that would be good. Well, if I understand correctly, you're basically describing a second Taco thread where there could be fights more freely. It sounds like you mean a second chat thread, rather than an area that's pretty much for fights and rougher scenarios (and even if you mean the latter, it might turn into the former anyway). If we make one of those, while it might not be intended that way, but there's a good chance that people will end up going to one or the other based on their preference, and not really dabbling in both. Kind of like how there are a lot of people that go to the Taco, and a lot of people that go to the 'Bloids, but there don't seem to be a lot of people who frequent both. But yeah, basically I think it probably would result in a 'separation and split' effect, even if not intended. But essentially, the thread in questioned would serve very similar to what Taco is right now but with less rigid neutrality on violence. Yeah, that sounds like what I was picturing. Picture the thread being discussed as a rowdy tavern on the rougher side of town... ... Or the part of town on the other side of the tracks! Ooh... Idea! Maybe instead of splitting into 'able to fight vs. no-fighting,' we could make a thread where rougher characters would like to hang out. Thugs, anti-heros, maybe the occasional villain... Could be fun to have an area where the 'bad guys' - or even just troublemakers and such - can just hang out and let loose and what have you without worrying about getting attacked by the hero/antagonist-type people. 83 Maybe have their own sorts of adventures. Or, even if we don't really want a continuous thread, it might be fun to even have a small RP. XD Though I think it would be fun to give a continuing thread a shot, whatever else happens. Maybe it could end up being generally villainous with the occasional fight with a hero, kinda-sorta like an inversed version of the current Taco. What do you guys think?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2012 1:01:13 GMT -5
…I gotta be honest, I don't foresee myself participating in that sort of thing at all if it were to happen. We've had a few "Villain Parties", and the highlight was usually food falling through a portal bowl onto a midget character. Interesting in concept, not so much in practice; not through any fault of the characters or the writers, it just didn't work.
I also watched the RP Board's attempt at this. The Neo-Villain Informal Chat or whatever it's called. It went about as interesting as the Villain Parties until the heroes burst in and turned the place into a brawl. (At which point I ended up leaving anyway due to loss of interest.) So… I'm skeptical about that sort of thing working out.
I'm not saying it couldn't work out. I can think of two people who might be interested in that (and no, I won't be specific since I can't speak for them), maybe there are more. Personally, though, I wouldn't participate.
…For the record, I also wouldn't participate in something like the proposed idea of the Tavern. I deal with enough fighting and brawling and arguing in story arcs without having my characters go to a place that isn't all that friendly. It's a function of how much I can take before getting tired and/or cross at it. It is what it is. As things are now I just feel unwelcome and leave. If there were a separate thread, I would GLADLY leave it alone.
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Post by Omni on Mar 29, 2012 1:45:49 GMT -5
I also watched the RP Board's attempt at this. The Neo-Villain Informal Chat or whatever it's called. It went about as interesting as the Villain Parties until the heroes burst in and turned the place into a brawl. Yeah, that'd be something to be careful about. Any hero attacks would have to be uncommon, and probably with only one or two heros at a time. Maybe the area would be hidden to help reduce attacks... So canonically, it might end up basically being a tavern where the door can teleport, or something, if we do it. I'unno, I just think it would be fun to at least try, maybe with some of the less-powerful villains or something, even if it turns out to be a flop in the end.
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Post by Draco on Mar 29, 2012 4:03:06 GMT -5
I spent a while writing a long post, but ended up just deleting it because it was jumped around all over the place, tended to drag out un-needed stuff, and overall was just a bad post. But there are still a few things I figured I would throw in as a member of the forum who had a few problems with the Taco in the past.
I like the idea of a separate Taco that allows more action (attacks, violence, etc) in it. That style of RPing has always been a style I like to do when not in a serious RP. It's what I used to do in the bloids when people still did IC stuff there. I was invited to the Taco, I thought because someone seen me do that IC stuff. Yet I get in trouble or make people run away if I do it in the Taco. So why was I invited in the past? So a separate place that still feels like the Taco, but with a little chaos sounds more like a place I would visit.
For the most part, I've given up on the Taco out of fear of upsetting or alienating people (finding out later in a small rant or through others, but rarely them directly to me). I feel like almost, not always, every time I pop in I do this. I go in, have fun, and then get a slap to the face later when I find out someone is upset with me. So right now, the way the Taco is, I'm scared to death to really interact.
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Post by Stal on Mar 29, 2012 8:12:00 GMT -5
Right now you're both treating it as a "Separation and split" instead of a specialization thread. Given that the Internet is not bound by physical presence (only one place at a time), having two threads for two views isn't the same as splitting people into the Warmongers and Pacifists. So if you could specifically detail more why you feel a separate dedicated thread wouldn't work, beyond "not enough people" or "we're splitting", that would be good. Well, if I understand correctly, you're basically describing a second Taco thread where there could be fights more freely. It sounds like you mean a second chat thread, rather than an area that's pretty much for fights and rougher scenarios (and even if you mean the latter, it might turn into the former anyway). If we make one of those, while it might not be intended that way, but there's a good chance that people will end up going to one or the other based on their preference, and not really dabbling in both. Kind of like how there are a lot of people that go to the Taco, and a lot of people that go to the 'Bloids, but there don't seem to be a lot of people who frequent both. But yeah, basically I think it probably would result in a 'separation and split' effect, even if not intended. While I hear what you're saying, there is one inherent difference. Bloids and Taco became based around two different concepts at basic premise. Taco and TarTaco would be serving the same general premises with a slight variation in focus (to prevent any one set of people from feeling alienated). That said... Isn't your continuous villain hang out pretty much what I suggested but with a focus on purely villains instead? XD
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Post by Terra on Mar 29, 2012 11:23:08 GMT -5
I really like the idea of having two threads. I can't speak for anyone else, but if I still had time to be an active Tacoer, I'd probably just flit between the two threads depending on which one had people at the time. (Like how I flitted between the 'bloids and the Taco at will back when I was more of an active Tacoer.) Like Draco, I would really like to have a thread that's looser about the fights and crazy antics, and on which I/any characters I bring in could do something like blow up the moon. I think that such a thread would be a bit easier for newcomers to get into, as well. (Not so many unwritten rules - though that's a separate problem, really...)
I'm not really sure that a villain-dedicated thread would solve the problem. The problem isn't just when the villains come in, really; any character could get into a fight, or accidentally set off a bunch of fireworks in the main Taco square, or something like that. I'd love to be able to do some of that more ridiculous RPing like we've done on the 'bloids occasionally. Just have something a bit less restrictive, an "anything goes" type of thing. But I know not everyone is interested in this, which is why I think that having two threads is a fine solution.
And if it turns out that one thread is more active than the other...what's wrong with that? It'd just indicate what sort of thread is most likely to survive in the long term. And I know I'd rather see the Taco survive, even in a different form, than die off completely. Like Stal said, the 'bloids have undergone many different evolutions over the years. Why not let Taco do the same thing?
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