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Post by Yoyti on Jul 31, 2014 19:48:43 GMT -5
But I -am- looking forward to what Johnny Depp looks like as the wolf. X3 I'm bugged that he's credited above half of the very large cast, given that he only appears for one scene -- unless that's something else that was changed. I imagine it'd be better on the whole if they never revealed that he was in the film, and when people see it, they pause to themselves and think "was that Jonny Depp just playing the wolf?" rather than giving him billing above half the cast, and then having people complain when he's barely in the film at all.
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Post by Selm on Jul 31, 2014 21:02:23 GMT -5
But I -am- looking forward to what Johnny Depp looks like as the wolf. X3 I'm bugged that he's credited above half of the very large cast, given that he only appears for one scene -- unless that's something else that was changed. I imagine it'd be better on the whole if they never revealed that he was in the film, and when people see it, they pause to themselves and think "was that Jonny Depp just playing the wolf?" rather than giving him billing above half the cast, and then having people complain when he's barely in the film at all. I think it was just name-dropping. It does look a lot like they were trying to hide the fact that it was a musical, so I get the sense they're trying to appeal to an audience who isn't familiar with Into The Woods. Although I'm not exactly sure why.
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Post by Yoyti on Jul 31, 2014 21:25:24 GMT -5
I think it was just name-dropping. It does look a lot like they were trying to hide the fact that it was a musical, so I get the sense they're trying to appeal to an audience who isn't familiar with Into The Woods. Although I'm not exactly sure why. Fair enough, but as I see it, here are the possibilities: A) Disney messes up Into The Woods, but doesn't totally redo it. Sondheim alienates the Disney crowd and Disney alienates the Sondheim crowd. Nobody is happy. B) Disney is true to Into The Woods. Sondheim alienates the Disney crowd. The Sondheim crowd is happy, and some of the Disney crowd is happy. (Into The Woods is one of Sondheims more accessible musicals. A gateway musical if you will. My mother was even willing to look at Assassins after Into The Woods.) C) Disney totally Disneyfies Into The Woods. Disney alienates the Sondheim crowd. The Disney crowd is happy. B is the best option here. Disney has enough of a base that people will always see their movies. It would be good to bring a new crowd, the Sondheim crowd into it. That would also bring in a larger not-little-kids crowd even more than the already cliched dark and gritty emphasis. Although, given the success of the Tangled and Frozen, they could probably just sell Into The Woods straight and make everybody happy. I should probably reserve the rest of this for an actual Into The Woods thread. One aside, Disney should totally adapt Die Frau Ohne Schatten. It comes built in with great fairy-tale subversion (since that seems to be what they're going for as of late) while still playing out like a normal fairy tale, and without feeling forced or cliched. It's also fairly kid-friendly, or at least can easily be made so with few changes. All they need is a good script and score (for which I recommend Jake Heggie or Adam Guettel). It's got the potential for beautiful visuals too.
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Post by Komori on Jul 31, 2014 22:30:08 GMT -5
Eh, the Sweeney Todd movie seemed to placate the teen Hot Topic crowd pretty well (because Tim Burton). If that didn't alienate Sondheim fans from the musicals-made-movies, this should be fine. They seem to be doing a similar treatment that was done for Les Mis: dump a bunch of celebrities in there so everyone will go see it for the actors. XD
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Post by Yoyti on Aug 1, 2014 6:19:35 GMT -5
Except that Sweeney Todd did (to a large extent) alienate Sondheim fans.I recognize it as a good film, and that it was very well adapted (rather than just being transposed, like most movie musicals), but I still don't forgive it for cutting out more than half of Anthony's singing, and reducing the Beadle's song to only a few lines. Also that it seems Helena Bonham Carter can't even harmonize in a studio with multiple takes. I know Sondheim is tough to sing, but when you can literally have your part playing in your ear while recording, I'm not going to forgive musical cheating, save for range issues. I am perfectly confident in Johnny Depp's ability to play the wolf. It's a role which I think will suit him, and, again, even if not, it's only for one scene. I'm just not confident in his presence to placate everyone in that one scene. The studio recording of Kismet with Sam Ramey did it pretty well. It starred Sam Ramey as the poet, Jerry Hadley as the Caliph, Ruth Ann Swenson as Marsinah, Julia Migenes as Lalume, and among all the opera stars, Danny DeVito in the comic and not-heavy-singing role of the Wazir, and Mandy Patinkin in the cameo role of Zubbediya (which is totally hilarious even just in audio). That's one of the reasons I think Follies could make a great movie. You can cast good singers and performers as the main cast, and so long as you don't mess with Broadway Baby or I'm Still Here, stunt cast all the rest of the roles, since they all mostly just appear for one number, and it's a performance number. (Also, the flashbacks playing simultaneously to the main plot could make for some wonderful cinematography, and the show's relatively short, and performed without intermission, so cutting it down to movie length wouldn't be an issue.) Passion, on the other hand, would make a lousy film. It has just a main cast of three (five if you could the Colonel and the Doctor), and all of them (save the Doctor) have very intensive singing. Passion is also both operatic, and highly closed. This is a good combination on stage, since the actors can project the emotion while still remaining at enough of a distance, but take the Johanna quartet in Sweeney Todd, and imagine how terrible that scene in the movie would be with Len Cariou or George Hearn hamming in front of the camera the whole time. Passion could only really work as a filmed stage production, and that already exists. That said, I may have to change my tone significantly after seeing what comes of the movie of The Last Five Years, starring Jason Robert Brown as the pianist who hates Cathy.
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Post by Komori on Aug 1, 2014 20:20:12 GMT -5
Except that Sweeney Todd did (to a large extent) alienate Sondheim fans. But not enough to turn them off from watching another Sondheim movie adaptation, else your list of possible-outcomes wouldn't be possible. :3 Either that, or alienating people does nothing and shouldn't be worried about.
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Post by Dju on Sept 3, 2014 19:10:49 GMT -5
Oh my goooodness , this is so amazing! <3 <3 <3
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Post by Komori on Sept 3, 2014 19:38:36 GMT -5
I'm glad they got funded, but annoyed at the insular way they (or articles about them) were claiming to "save 2D animation from extinction."
Hellooo, rude? The Wind Rises was nominated for an Oscar last year, and was a 2D film. As was Ernest and Celestine. What they meant was "save 2D animation from extinction amongst American-produced feature films." Try not to be so self-centric and look outside your hometown, guys.
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Post by M is for Morphine on Sept 3, 2014 19:41:38 GMT -5
I'm glad they got funded, but annoyed at the insular way they (or articles about them) were claiming to "save 2D animation from extinction." Hellooo, rude? The Wind Rises was nominated for an Oscar last year, and was a 2D film. As was Ernest and Celestine. What they meant was "save 2D animation from extinction amongst American-produced feature films." Try not to be so self-centric and look outside your hometown, guys. Ernest and Celestine was a really nice film, too. The English dub was a little week but still super adorable.
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Post by Dju on Sept 4, 2014 11:45:21 GMT -5
Yeah, I totally know that feeling you guys are talking about. XD I heard about it in a tumblr post, and it mentioned "main female characters, incentivating girls to explored science, fighting corruption" and a lot about saving 2D animation. This is far from a modest description. XD But, despite its shameless approach to the subject,we gotta take our hats off - strong female lead ladies? hell yeah! STeam punk? Yes, please! 2D mingling with 3d? OH YEAH!
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Post by Yoyti on Dec 8, 2014 17:41:36 GMT -5
Whoo! L5Y is getting its movie! Should be a good one. I don't think there are too many ways you could mess that up after the casting's done and good. But the trailer seems to be seriously downplaying the depressing aspect.
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Post by Nut on Dec 10, 2014 17:18:42 GMT -5
So there's a new trailer for Pixar's upcoming movie Inside Out, about personified emotions interacting inside the mind of a young teen. (Should there be a thread for this yet?)
Interesting things: Each parent seems to have one emotion primarily in command, which their other emotions defer to, while the kid's emotions are more disorganized and fight for superiority. I liked seeing Riley's fear attempting to negotiate with disgust. Also, while the appearances of the mom's emotions are all coded feminine and the dad's are all coded masculine, Riley's emotions appear to be a mix of masculine and feminine.
I'm looking forward to seeing how they handle the concept; it looks like a fun ride and potentially a great opportunity for character interaction and exploration, but it hinges a lot on what they do with it. I'm a little concerned by the trailer's predictable joke about a woman and a man in a relationship not understanding each other, but it's always hard to judge a Disney/Pixar movie by a trailer, so I'm hoping that the final film shows the characters to be more than stereotypes and the parents get a better understanding of their child and each other.
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