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Post by Carolyn on Oct 30, 2021 15:42:55 GMT -5
I'm seriously behind on this thread... I'll have to read back eventually, but let me say a huge thank you to the amazing folks who have been working tirelessly to make sure that the NT's content isn't lost to the ages. We appreciate your efforts more than words can express! You're keeping alive many thousands of hours of love, lore, and dedication for future generations to enjoy. That is no small feat. So again, thank you so much, all. <3
(And might I say that it's super cool that you discovered a way to access the first NT issues and the really, really cool title pages of them. That official artwork is absolutely stunning!)
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Post by RielCZ on Nov 3, 2021 1:55:32 GMT -5
Sorry for not following this thread as of late! The lead up to Halloween is always a time, this year especially for some reason. I was discussing with people on the NTWF Discord, but I'm starting to think that Jellyneo needs to take this article here: www.jellyneo.net/?go=neopiantimes and bump out the History of the Times in its own expanded article, considering all these amazing finds. Is that something you all would be willing for JN to publish? Or is this more of a NTWF thing? I'm thinking credit needs to be given to those who found certain things, at least. I'd be OK with JN publishing this, if someone from there wants to draft something. However, I'd almost prefer writing this as an NT Article (something like "The Jurassic Park Old Old NT Editions And Where To Find Them")... Not sure exactly what it would need to contain though, maybe I could list the link discovery process, Twillie could discuss early comics, and some other co-author(s) could highlight some of the early stories and trends? Though, I'm not sure if that's something on which others would like to collaborate. Of course, JN can always offer an expanded article and extra information, or the information period if an NT article never comes to fruition. It should certainly be documented, anyway. Regarding your project though, I think that's a fantastic idea. It's true that I don't have the same deadlines, and I can't be immersed in the project, but I'm good to quickly code up simple scripts to handle changes to the JSON/etc. that you might need as you progress. (If I can learn anything about databases as a result of assisting in your project, I'll consider it a personal victory for me too. ) I still intend to adjust the JSON files as per your earlier comment; if you have additional specifications, please let me know. I like the idea of having a "modern mode" and the "classic mode". And the Proof-of-Concept idea (maybe with just 1 edition of the NT) works. As Geo 🇺🇦 🌻 said, realistically, if you use a platform that promotes a high degree of reuse, developing a base layout and extending it to provide a layout for one Story and Comic, as well as the homepage I suppose, should be all you'd need. And haha, ReactJS. Fumbling through React for my 4th Year Comp Eng capstone project was the experience that taught me Web Dev has left me behind.I guess that's another thing, too... I have the (at least post-150) NTs downloaded. To facilitate cooperation between us and others as the Archive is developed, how/where should I send/upload the several GB worth of files? These are peoples' creative works (and under copyright by TNT) so I don't want to upload them just anywhere. Also, hey, if this project is really successful, you could always offer the layout as a gift to TNT/Aesop.
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Post by June Scarlet on Nov 3, 2021 16:22:11 GMT -5
I'd be OK with JN publishing this, if someone from there wants to draft something. However, I'd almost prefer writing this as an NT Article (something like "The Jurassic Park Old Old NT Editions And Where To Find Them")... Not sure exactly what it would need to contain though, maybe I could list the link discovery process, Twillie could discuss early comics, and some other co-author(s) could highlight some of the early stories and trends? Though, I'm not sure if that's something on which others would like to collaborate. Of course, JN can always offer an expanded article and extra information, or the information period if an NT article never comes to fruition. It should certainly be documented, anyway. Me. The someone who wants to draft something is me, maybe Kat if she wants to help. I'd like to finish my Neopian Times Comic Guide first, which I currently have Twillie looking over, I feel like it's missing information, but I'm at a bit of a loss as to what to add. But anyway, yeah, I'm the one who'd likely be writing this article for JN. I think an NT article sounds cool too, though, and I say, why not both? (Next collab - everyone writes articles, stories, and comics about NT history.)
Yeah, if you're willing to help out on the backend side of things, that'd be great! Uh... I have taken a database class, I wouldn't consider it a strength of mine, though. I wonder... Patjade, your website, does it have databases as part of your webhosting? Just trying to figure out possible options for hosting the NT archive files. Maybe not forever, but at least temporarily until we figure out a proper hosting situation. Yeah, for proof-of-concept, I'd probably be trying to keep it simple, and then adding to it as time goes along.
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Post by Twillie on Nov 3, 2021 17:38:47 GMT -5
I think were people to write about what we've found here, it'd likely actually take up multiple articles either in the NT or on Jellyneo, since there's multiple angles you could take. Like I can see myself writing a whole article myself detailing and analyzing NT comic history haha, and Riel I think you could also make an article all about the process of finding those previously lost issues, a bit of the backstory of this project and how it led you to finding them, and the significance of their recovery. And then a Jellyneo article would be updating its information and links, and perhaps expanding its own info on history, like the NT's birthday now that we have it (!!!), a timeline of editors, and/or whatever else JN would deem important/relevant. There's a number of different angles one could take when talking about this project and NT history, so I agree that it can potentially take many forms, just depending on who may want to make something and what perspective they take with it.
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Post by RielCZ on Nov 4, 2021 2:19:29 GMT -5
You know, that's all true. "History of the NT" could definitely be a Great Collab topic with many and varied meanings to different authors. Or, if not an official collab, there could at least be numerous articles, including JN's. (I guess I initially thought too small heh.) Yeah, if you're willing to help out on the backend side of things, that'd be great! Of course. Keep me updated with what changes you need, e.g. to the JSON/etc.
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Post by Patjade on Nov 4, 2021 2:20:02 GMT -5
I'd be OK with JN publishing this, if someone from there wants to draft something. However, I'd almost prefer writing this as an NT Article (something like "The Jurassic Park Old Old NT Editions And Where To Find Them")... Not sure exactly what it would need to contain though, maybe I could list the link discovery process, Twillie could discuss early comics, and some other co-author(s) could highlight some of the early stories and trends? Though, I'm not sure if that's something on which others would like to collaborate. Of course, JN can always offer an expanded article and extra information, or the information period if an NT article never comes to fruition. It should certainly be documented, anyway. Me. The someone who wants to draft something is me, maybe Kat if she wants to help. I'd like to finish my Neopian Times Comic Guide first, which I currently have Twillie looking over, I feel like it's missing information, but I'm at a bit of a loss as to what to add. But anyway, yeah, I'm the one who'd likely be writing this article for JN. I think an NT article sounds cool too, though, and I say, why not both? (Next collab - everyone writes articles, stories, and comics about NT history.)
Yeah, if you're willing to help out on the backend side of things, that'd be great! Uh... I have taken a database class, I wouldn't consider it a strength of mine, though. I wonder... Patjade, your website, does it have databases as part of your webhosting? Just trying to figure out possible options for hosting the NT archive files. Maybe not forever, but at least temporarily until we figure out a proper hosting situation. Yeah, for proof-of-concept, I'd probably be trying to keep it simple, and then adding to it as time goes along. My site is supposed to have MySQL, so it's worth a try.
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Post by June Scarlet on Nov 15, 2021 21:14:37 GMT -5
I've been approved to create the front end of this project for my class capstone project. This section of the class starts on Wednesday, however, I've already started working on this project, creating wireframes and mockups.
I'm looking for a small group of volunteers willing to beta test and give feedback for these designs, and look through iterations of the project. I plan to run this beta group through discord, as it's easier to share images over than the forum PMs.
Please post or contact me if you're interested in this opportunity.
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Post by RielCZ on Dec 8, 2021 14:33:20 GMT -5
As a heads up, I have the NewNT 1-149 NT editions archived! Just the Stone Age editions 22 to 68 (end) to get, on my end. Ah yeah, pre-150 issues are, uh, rather special in set up I've discovered xD There's a number of little quirks, sometimes unique to specific issues. [...] What impacted me most is I found out that a majority of comics aren't singular images, but rather are spliced into 2-3 (or more) images. Sometimes they're divided by panels, sometimes panels are cut in half between the images. It's led me to either screenshot the comic with the snipping tool or save the multiple images if the comic requires scrolling read. That might mean a manual effort of splicing comics back together after they're saved, but that'd thankfully be doable I feel. And I did take this into account; all the independent images per comic seem to be downloaded correctly.
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Post by June Scarlet on Dec 23, 2021 23:03:51 GMT -5
Wanted to check in and let you all know I'm still working on the Neopian Times Archive project. Styling is still minimal, but I do have a preview to share, with the caveat that this is still in development, I'm still working with the data for the most part.
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Post by RielCZ on Jan 7, 2022 14:32:11 GMT -5
I now have all the NT issues throughout known history downloaded. ...Except for Stone Age 22. Though at first it doesn't look it, the HTML formatting is actually bizarrely different enough from other editions that I think it would take less time for someone to download it manually than it would take for me to modify the script for literally this 1 special case. It would be great if someone wants to do that (or already has done that). I still wonder about where to upload the editions, though, both for verification and actual use in the Archive project.
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Post by June Scarlet on Jan 7, 2022 15:39:30 GMT -5
I still wonder about where to upload the editions, though, both for verification and actual use in the Archive project. I've been wondering about that too. I know I can use github pages for the front end for now, and Patjade I think is willing to let us use her database for now. But long-term, I think we'll have to get proper hosting for it. As in pay for it, with real money. It's probably worth discussing what to do about it, from where to host to where to get the money to host.
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Post by Twillie on Jan 7, 2022 16:14:01 GMT -5
That's awesome! I'd be happy to download Issue 22; would it be a matter of downloading all the stories and assets individually, or a different process? Also, I'm assuming Stone Age Issue 55 is still basically lost?
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Post by Patjade on Jan 7, 2022 19:58:57 GMT -5
I still wonder about where to upload the editions, though, both for verification and actual use in the Archive project. I've been wondering about that too. I know I can use github pages for the front end for now, and Patjade I think is willing to let us use her database for now. But long-term, I think we'll have to get proper hosting for it. As in pay for it, with real money. It's probably worth discussing what to do about it, from where to host to where to get the money to host. Sure, be my guest.
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Post by RielCZ on Jan 7, 2022 21:46:27 GMT -5
Thanks Twillie ! I think, for the interest of your time, you can probably just download each page's source code: right click → view source → copy and paste in Notepad → save as [whatever makes sense, probably just the name of the page].html with Encoding UTF-8 (at least on Windows it's a dropdown menu near the bottom of the Save As menu). I can get the HTML files from you and run each through my image parse and download script (which should also work to download the comic images). And oops, I forgot about Issue 55. Yeah, that one is still lost. Yay, thanks so much Patjade ! Perhaps a group chat can be set up between you, June Scarlet , and myself?
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Post by Patjade on Jan 8, 2022 3:58:16 GMT -5
Thanks Twillie ! I think, for the interest of your time, you can probably just download each page's source code: right click → view source → copy and paste in Notepad → save as [whatever makes sense, probably just the name of the page].html with Encoding UTF-8 (at least on Windows it's a dropdown menu near the bottom of the Save As menu). I can get the HTML files from you and run each through my image parse and download script (which should also work to download the comic images). And oops, I forgot about Issue 55. Yeah, that one is still lost. Yay, thanks so much Patjade ! Perhaps a group chat can be set up between you, June Scarlet , and myself? I'll have to find some time to do that.
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