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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2008 16:26:37 GMT -5
SHINO!!! ^_^ *glomps* I'm honoured I have your word of approval. :) I typed your ranking system up in way that's slightly easier to understand, to me, at least. Peasant
Serf || Page
Peasant --> Serf -->
<-- Freeman / Noble -->
Merchant / Poet || Lord / Baron
Master || Bard || Overlord || Duke
Peasant --> Page -->
<-- Squire / Apprentice -->
Knight / Cavalier || Spellcaster / Scholar
Paladin || Champion || Wizard || Professor Variants: Lord or Lady, Baron or Baroness, and Duke or Ductchess. Bard/Minstrel was taken out because it looks nicer this way, but that's still an option. That. is. AMAZING! Seriously, Shade, that compilation is definitely better than the one I had. Very concise, with clear lines of advancement. :) Bard/Minstrel was only there because I wasn't sure which name was better, since they're pretty much the same thing. Looking at Wikipedia a bit, though, it would seem that a minstrel was merely a medieval bard, but that as time went on, the minstrel became the troubadour, and thus we get the idea of minstrels being travelling street performers. So, yes, Bard definitely should be the *official* rank. ^_^ Alternatively, Professor could be changed to Alchemist or Philosopher if we wanted. Your thoughts? But, of course, our rank system doesn't have to be so in-depth or extensive. I pretty much compiled it as a list that could inspire our ranks, but if everyone's for it as it stands now, then it's all good. :) But where do the King and Council fit into there? *muses* Couldn't help pointing that out...by way of explanation, I've spent the last two days at Dray's place, watching her wrangle cows, St. Bernards, her little sister, and hearing her backtalk, interrupt, and point out holes in the logic. She's rubbing off on me, possibly. The King and Council are pretty much just for the roleplay, and for knighting, of course. Everyone--even council members--would be allowed to develop their own rank(s?) as they wanted to. And Dray sounds...perfectly pleasant to be around. ^_^' [shadow=purple,left,300]Yay, magic-related ranks. XD Thank you for thinking of us. Though...how do we get promoted from one rank to another? Activities like RPs?[/shadow] Personally I vote for bribes. *discretely hands Wolf 200 shinies* *discreetly pockets said shinies whilst whistling innocently* *Ahem* That, m'dear Kat, would be the next thing to decide. Since we're all chivalrous knights, though, I personally think we should stay away from bribes. The rest is up for discussion. |
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Post by Shadaras on Jul 10, 2008 17:17:42 GMT -5
Thank you, m'lord.
And as for how to advance in rank, it makes the most sense for activity within the guild to be rewarded, whatever that activity may be. Roleplaying would be good. As the generally accepted leader of the guild, you'd probably be the one who got to decide when to advance people, and how much.
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Post by zhunter on Jul 10, 2008 19:28:28 GMT -5
SHINO!!! ^_^ *glomps* I'm honoured I have your word of approval. :) I typed your ranking system up in way that's slightly easier to understand, to me, at least. Peasant
Serf || Page
Peasant --> Serf -->
<-- Freeman / Noble -->
Merchant / Poet || Lord / Baron
Master || Bard || Overlord || Duke
Peasant --> Page -->
<-- Squire / Apprentice -->
Knight / Cavalier || Spellcaster / Scholar
Paladin || Champion || Wizard || Professor Variants: Lord or Lady, Baron or Baroness, and Duke or Ductchess. Bard/Minstrel was taken out because it looks nicer this way, but that's still an option. That. is. AMAZING! Seriously, Shade, that compilation is definitely better than the one I had. Very concise, with clear lines of advancement. :) Bard/Minstrel was only there because I wasn't sure which name was better, since they're pretty much the same thing. Looking at Wikipedia a bit, though, it would seem that a minstrel was merely a medieval bard, but that as time went on, the minstrel became the troubadour, and thus we get the idea of minstrels being travelling street performers. So, yes, Bard definitely should be the *official* rank. ^_^ Alternatively, Professor could be changed to Alchemist or Philosopher if we wanted. Your thoughts? But, of course, our rank system doesn't have to be so in-depth or extensive. I pretty much compiled it as a list that could inspire our ranks, but if everyone's for it as it stands now, then it's all good. :) The King and Council are pretty much just for the roleplay, and for knighting, of course. Everyone--even council members--would be allowed to develop their own rank(s?) as they wanted to. And Dray sounds...perfectly pleasant to be around. ^_^' Personally I vote for bribes. *discretely hands Wolf 200 shinies* *discreetly pockets said shinies whilst whistling innocently* *Ahem* That, m'dear Kat, would be the next thing to decide. Since we're all chivalrous knights, though, I personally think we should stay away from bribes. The rest is up for discussion. *glomp'd* Not much that you need my approval of any sorts, dear Wolf. Perhaps we should incorporate the Council into the workings of the rank/order of our members. And then one other thing on my mind...Will all current members have to start from the beginning as peasants or will some of us be defined by our guild involvement, role-playing abilities, & literacy? Just kidding on the literacy qualification... |
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Post by Bacon on Jul 10, 2008 21:06:21 GMT -5
Will all current members have to start from the beginning as peasants or will some of us be defined by our guild involvement, role-playing abilities, & literacy? Just kidding on the literacy qualification... I was just wondering the same thing. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2008 1:59:46 GMT -5
As I generally consider this monarchy a democratic one (no matter how many politicians might say otherwise, pointing towards its obvious oxymoronicy, I shall stand by its truthfulness on any given day...or night ~_^), so I figured--if we have multiple activities--they should not all be run by one person. Not only would this ensure that everything does not weigh itself on one person's shoulders, it also prevents a single person from reigning over everyone else's ranks.
My original thought had been we'd have an activity for each line of ranks, and participation therein would allow you to ascend in that rank family, but then we'd need...carry the one...add two...divide by three...anywhere from two to eight different activities, and I don't think that's especially realistic. ^_^'
So I had a new thought. All the ranks could be determined by the same requirements (maybe with special tasks for the highest ones, though), and then everyone would advance in whichever direction they wanted to. That way, we'd only need one or two more activities to have a solid rank system. These can, of course, be games, and they don't need to have any mental capacity seriousness, since the RP covers that well. They should, however, have a medieval theme.
I'll brainstorm a few ideas if you wish, but I'd generally prefer them to be run by others. Or at least started by someone other than myself (most of them would probably be self-sustaining anyway, like most of the NTWF games). You see...I'm kinda getting tired of seeing only MY name on the front page.... -_-
Aye, Wolf 'tis a humble king....
As per your inquiries, yes, past participation should be honoured. :)
But...we'd still have to decide how much participation (and in what forms) is required to advance before we could start anything feasible. Personally, I think it should be a free leap from Peasant to Serf or Page, and from there the ranks can have prerequisites. :)
The rest, then, is up for discussion. :)
And, wow, I talk a lot when I'm tired! O_O *sigh* ...I'm sorry. ;_;
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Post by zhunter on Jul 11, 2008 12:38:08 GMT -5
As I generally consider this monarchy a democratic one (no matter how many politicians might say otherwise, pointing towards its obvious oxymoronicy, I shall stand by its truthfulness on any given day...or night ~_^), so I figured--if we have multiple activities--they should not all be run by one person. Not only would this ensure that everything does not weigh itself on one person's shoulders, it also prevents a single person from reigning over everyone else's ranks. My original thought had been we'd have an activity for each line of ranks, and participation therein would allow you to ascend in that rank family, but then we'd need...carry the one...add two...divide by three...anywhere from two to eight different activities, and I don't think that's especially realistic. ^_^' So I had a new thought. All the ranks could be determined by the same requirements (maybe with special tasks for the highest ones, though), and then everyone would advance in whichever direction they wanted to. That way, we'd only need one or two more activities to have a solid rank system. These can, of course, be games, and they don't need to have any mental capacity seriousness, since the RP covers that well. They should, however, have a medieval theme. I'll brainstorm a few ideas if you wish, but I'd generally prefer them to be run by others. Or at least started by someone other than myself (most of them would probably be self-sustaining anyway, like most of the NTWF games). You see...I'm kinda getting tired of seeing only MY name on the front page.... -_- Aye, Wolf 'tis a humble king.... As per your inquiries, yes, past participation should be honoured. :) But...we'd still have to decide how much participation (and in what forms) is required to advance before we could start anything feasible. Personally, I think it should be a free leap from Peasant to Serf or Page, and from there the ranks can have prerequisites. :) The rest, then, is up for discussion. :) And, wow, I talk a lot when I'm tired! O_O *sigh* ...I'm sorry. ;_; I do believe that is a very good idea. Although I am not very sure upon how we should go about creating these activites...And who should make them. I suppose a new member should not be asked to do this task, unless they've excelled in RPing or guild involvement. The Knights (as they are titled presently) that I would encourage to do the promoting would be Wolf (obviously), Kit, Rider, Zari, Shade, Kat, & myself. Of course, I am sure there are many others that are qualified, but these listed have popped in my head first. Each of these (or whoever) might be placed in charge their own activity and become in-charge of who is promoted, up until the said-medieval person leaves their station (activity). I'll start thinking of activities and post them as soon as I can. |
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Post by Kat on Jul 12, 2008 9:20:51 GMT -5
[shadow=purple,left,300]I think participating in our RP, or even the GWRPs, count for something. And being around for a while - older members would get more credit since they've stuck around longer and have given more to the guild. No, this is not the old fogey in me talking >_>
Magical activities for mage-knights! Like puzzles and tests of creativity and wit and - *slapped*[/shadow]
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2008 0:13:30 GMT -5
Let's look at this from another angle: Tier One
Peasant (free leap to Tier Two)
Tier Two
Serf, Page
Tier Three
Freeman, Noble, Squire, Apprentice
Tier Four
Merchant, Poet, Lord, Baron
Knight, Cavalier, Spellcaster, Scholar
Tier Five
Master, Bard, Overlord, Duke
Paladin, Champion, Wizard, Professor Assuming we align the ranks like this, we'd feasible only need three extra requirements to ascend to Tier Five, unless we make individual tasks for the last ascension, or even for the second ascension into Tier Four, and then continued activity within the guild over a certain period of time can account for the acquiring the highest rank. Of course, needing so few requirements for this alignment, we could always make the jump from Peasant to Serf/Page something simple and easily manageable. *shrugs* Whichever is fine with me. Kat, the only problem with tests and quizzes (although I personally love the idea) is that, for them to really remain functional, someone would have to continually update them, which could quickly be put to a stop if said overseer became unable to participate for any given time, for any given reason. That's why the idea of medieval-themed, self-sustaining, NTWF game-like activities in which participation could be observed without needing anyone to maintain it (other than the players themselves) would be beneficial. Then again.... For a long time, almost for as long as I've been King, I've wanted to create the Library as an actual thread (and, I swear, it'd be the last of my kind), where actual, factual articles, essays, and the like about knighthood, Dunburrow, and other topics of interest could be posted. I've actually written a bit for it already, before being inundated by life and unable to continue my own research. However, if I launch it with the little I already have, others could also contribute to its pages (not counting towards rank, of course, since once everything's covered, everything's covered). Then, if you're catching my drift, we COULD set up quizzes testing people's knowledge of the material presented. For different sets of ranks, the questions could be tailored accordingly (knowledge of swords, shields, and horses, for example, would be necessary for a Knight, but not for a Spellcaster, whereas knowledge of wands, bezoars, and the differences between aconite and wolfsbane would be the opposite). |
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Post by Shadaras on Jul 13, 2008 10:16:39 GMT -5
Going off of your idea, Wolf, we would then need to ensure that the test-taker didn't simply run back to the Library to research whatever it was they were being asked. I suppose that's a matter of honor and trust, but even so, it'd be nice to have some form of confirmation that they're not cheating, even if we are Knights, and supposed to be above that.
Oh, and I sugget that the requirement to become tier two should be two posts in the roleplay, or some similar contribution that shows that the person does have an intrest in staying active.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2008 22:52:29 GMT -5
I don't think there's any way to prevent people from researching their answers as they're taking the test. But, either way, as long as the questions aren't multiple choice, they'll have to read it anyways to be able to answer, so unless they forget it, they'll know it. XD
If we set up people (so if one is unavailable, others will be) to PM the answers to, the answers won't be posted for people to just steal them. And if they are posted, we can just have a mod delete it. ^_^
And then, well, I watched A Knight's Tale today, and Knighthood comes from within. So even if someone can feign the part, what do they gain if they don't really feel that they've earned what they've got?
Anyways, I'd like to avoid using the roleplay as a primary source of rank ascension because some members don't roleplay and aren't interested in starting now. Which is why we need other activities. To be honest, I think this is part of the reason why the guild has so many members on paper, but so few members in actuality: not everyone wants to roleplay. However, if people come for the other stuff, that's not to say they'll never get interested in giving roleplay a try, which I think they'd be more likely to do after they've seen how cool and awesome a guild is instead of right after they join. :)
So, I think the roleplay would work alright as a later requirement in rank ascension, but not as an earlier one. Just to ensure all that members can reach a Tier Five rank without roleplaying, though, it might be worth using it only as a requirement for the Page ranks.
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Post by zarikrahia on Jul 15, 2008 19:26:20 GMT -5
@shino: I am alarmed that you have such faith in my promoting abilities (even though I've been around since both I and the guild were flailing newbies). Is there something in the water? (kidding there. honest!)
The roleplay, yes, should probably be limited to the page ranks. Since some of our members aren't roleplayers or just don't have the spare time...Spare time is something that, sadly, muchly needs chasing.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2008 0:17:15 GMT -5
I'm can't chase spare time. I'm too busy using the time that's not spare to do that! >.>
But, aye, Zari, I think you're capable, too. In fact, I think everyone who's participated in this thread over the past few days is more than capable. Why? Because you've all shown dedication to the guild in its greatest highs and--of greater importance--in its greatest lows as well. :)
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Post by Tam on Jul 16, 2008 1:06:53 GMT -5
It figures that this thread should burst into activity while I'm away. >.>;
Anyway, I'm really liking that set of ranks. I agree with Wolf in that not everyone who joins the guild has any interest in roleplaying, and I think it may be partially because the roleplay doesn't freely offer up spots for non-knight medieval persons. All the activity in our roleplays thus far tends to centre around wielding powerful weapons and fighting things and getting mortally wounded and such. I think if I were a bard, I'd feel left out. ^^;
Along those lines, I'm also in favour of some lighter activities around the place. One way we could go about it is to look at our personas' tastes and decide what they would do for fun, then make a game out of it. Off the top of my head, we could invent some new dice games, or maybe a friendly jousting tournament.
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Post by Cyborg on Jul 16, 2008 8:30:58 GMT -5
I like the ranking system, and I think there should be some sort of factor that raises said Knight to the next Tier. I play an online game called Flyff that has a system where if you want to make it from one Tier to the next you must complete quests, and tasks and gain experience from fighting monsters and other players. So maybe a specific task for each Tier would be usable, like post ____ times in ____ thread to get to Tier ____, or find _____ and post on ______ thread. I don't know just suggestions.
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Post by zarikrahia on Jul 16, 2008 22:13:11 GMT -5
...Look at my knightly persona's tastes?
If we're gonna make a game out of burning things down, cooking (any excuse to go near fire!) writing poetry about aforementioned burning things, and hacking up training dummies with kitchen cleavers.
Mhm- our roleplay (much as I love it) doesn't really give much space to personas that really aren't all that knightly. I mean, we're all sword-wielding monster-killing types, not really scholars (although I can imagine a few knights being scholars easily) or minstrels (AIEE MENTAL IMAGES GACK) and I think that may limit peoples personas a bit- if we opened the options a bit...perhaps the guild would become a more open and free-form one?
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I typed your ranking system up in way that's slightly easier to understand, to me, at least.
[shadow=purple,left,300]Yay, magic-related ranks. XD Thank you for thinking of us. Though...how do we get promoted from one rank to another? Activities like RPs?[/shadow]
