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Post by PFA on Sept 10, 2009 23:26:27 GMT -5
*revives club*
SO. I finally got my hands on a copy of Apollo Justice today. Got it off Amazon, one of the used copies. Turns out it's a European copy for whatever reason... thankfully it works just fine in my American DS. XD Though the save feature takes a suspiciously long time for reasons unknown. Not a huge deterrence, just a tad annoying.
But none of that matters because I just played through the first case.
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WHAT
I... I HAVE BEEN PLOT TWISTED INTO A PRETZEL
YOU GUYS DIDN'T PREPARE ME FOR THIS @_____@;;
WHAT
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Post by Morton on Sept 11, 2009 4:03:20 GMT -5
That first case ripples through the rest of the game. Personally I found that game to be a bit of a letdown after the PW trilogy. The stories were pretty decent, but the new components were underused, the characters weren't as endearing as the old ones, and the last case has so much that is just not relevant to the case in the end. Oh, and Apollo just seems useless throughout. Additional random note: you have an Euro version of the game second hand from Amazon, I wound up with a US version of the game second hand from Amazon! Good thing DS isn't region-specific  |
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Post by PFA on Sept 11, 2009 20:37:41 GMT -5
That first case ripples through the rest of the game. Personally I found that game to be a bit of a letdown after the PW trilogy. The stories were pretty decent, but the new components were underused, the characters weren't as endearing as the old ones, and the last case has so much that is just not relevant to the case in the end. Oh, and Apollo just seems useless throughout. Additional random note: you have an Euro version of the game second hand from Amazon, I wound up with a US version of the game second hand from Amazon! Good thing DS isn't region-specific So it seems. XD *just played 4-2* I can't really comment much on the game as a whole, having not been through the whole thing yet, but it is sorta... different from PW, granted. XD I mean, I'm warming up to all the AJ characters and whatnot, but there are points when I can't help but miss the good ol' ways of PW... i.e. seeing what they did to the office caused some rather conflicted feelings. XDDD Oh wow, it's almost like we had some kind of switcheroo. |
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Post by Killix on Sept 12, 2009 8:56:37 GMT -5
XD You got a PAL version? Interesting. XD Yeah, the DS isn't region locked, so it doesn't matter. There should be no difference.
Pfft, I disagree that the characters weren't as endearing, I loved the AJ characters. <3
Well... most of them, anyway. XD There are one or two that are justeewwno.
I found it humorous that Charley managed to stay in Phoenix's office. XDXD
I obviously could not have warned you about the pretzel plot twistery. I didn't want to be all spoilarz at you. XD
The last case did kinda fizzle itself out at the end...
There were certain things they never explained, and IMO it wasn't very exciting. (I could've done without the MASON System thing, too, even if it was mildly entertaining XD)
Apollo isn't useless, he just lets the prosecution play the whole game for him. STOP HELPING ME, KLAVIER. >:{
My favourite is still case 3 for reasons unknown. It's probably the most fridge logicy of the entire series, but ask me if I care anyway. XDXD
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Post by Morton on Sept 12, 2009 9:40:48 GMT -5
The MASON system thing made no sense whatsoever. For example: How can you get a response from someone by taking an item FROM THE PRESENT back into the past? Even if it was created from stored memories or something, you take something back to Zak Grammarye (I can't remember how it's spelt) he would never have seen it and thus not spoken of it. Also factor in that you couldn't take it to him now and get a response that way, because he's dead! Kristoph made sure of that. It just drives me mad.
Also, I saw the final twist of the MASON system coming a mile off. The case did certainly fizzle off though. It was too long for what they did with it (don't get me wrong, I love the long cases, but only if they keep me interested the whole way through!) Oh, and Charley is awesome. I was so sad when I saw the state of the office as I always used to love examining Charley in each new case, but there he was ready and waiting ;D PS. Apollo is useless. Take away Klavier, take away Trucy, take away Phoenix, and he would crash and burn painfully. At least you always got the impression Phoenix could usually stand on his own two feet, even if it did sometimes take Maya/Mia to help him see that. A real pity, but hopefully he still has potential and if we see AJ2 further down the line I do hope he can prove himself a more capable attorney. |
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Post by Killix on Sept 12, 2009 11:01:43 GMT -5
They also never completely explained why Kristoph was so crazy.
and they never explained his black psyche locks.
It bugged me. :{
Yep, fridge logic all around. =D Good ol' Ace Attorney series. XD Uhhh, take away all of Phoenix's extreme luckywinner circumstances and he would phail life, too. XD So don't be hatin' on Apollo. XDXD Apollo would benefit from some more character development, and the others could use some, too, but remember that it took Phoenix 3 whole games to completely develop all of that for his cast. |
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Post by Morton on Sept 12, 2009 13:12:42 GMT -5
They also never completely explained why Kristoph was so crazy.
and they never explained his black psyche locks.
It bugged me. :{
Yep, fridge logic all around. =D Good ol' Ace Attorney series. XD Uhhh, take away all of Phoenix's extreme luckywinner circumstances and he would phail life, too. XD So don't be hatin' on Apollo. XDXD Apollo would benefit from some more character development, and the others could use some, too, but remember that it took Phoenix 3 whole games to completely develop all of that for his cast. Yeah that was a bit odd about Kristoph. I think maybe he's just REALLY bitter or something about what Zak did and that's what drove him so loopy... or he's just really unhinged. The black psyche-locks though...
I do hope they weren't trying to set something up for AJ2 or something. Annoys me so much when they do that, and considering everything of AJ fed into 4-4... I felt the characters of PW were quite well developed anyway from the original one alone, and then found more depth and interest later. I didn't find the AJ cast quite the same in that respect, although if it's the start of a new arc I'm sure that will change later. I would like to see the AJ line continued, although more use of the DS features (like we saw with the luminol and the fingerprints ALL OVER THE PLACE in 1-5) would be nice. Although I still say Phoenix, lucky or not lucky, is the better attorney. Apollo CURRENTLY seems pretty poor. Let's just hope he can spread his wings later, so to speak  |
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Post by Killix on Sept 12, 2009 13:40:53 GMT -5
I just think he was crazy before the whole Zak thing, but I'm only assuming that because they never really said what his initial problem was. Klavier only sorta hinted about Kristoph's "darkness" but... never really explained. XD Too bad, 'cause he was one of my favourite characters...
I think they tried to cram too much into that last case, and ended up not really explaining everything. It felt kinda rushed, especially at the end.
Well, I hope they explain it in a later game, I just hope it's not something that a whole case relies on. XD That tactic works, but you really have to write it well (PW3, for example)
Phoenix isn't exactly "better", I think you're just biased. *cough* XDXD They have different approaches, that's all. Phoenix bluffed his way to victory and was incredibly lucky. Apollo uses the power of friendship law. The prosecutors were always after Phoenix, while Klavier pretty much helps Apollo in every case. XD It's hard to compare the two. I dunno, some of the side characters in Phoenix's trilogy were pretty flat. =/ Penny, anyone? Grossberg in the first game? Ema in 1-5? You can't pick and choose. XD and not every character is going to be great. AJ does have its interesting and memorable characters, anyway. At least, that's my opinion. Your mileage may vary? |
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Post by Morton on Sept 12, 2009 14:15:50 GMT -5
I forgot about Kristoph's "darkness". Guess he's just a mental sort. I agree that's he's a good character though, I do like him. Maybe there's something oddly appealing about how messed up he was. Yet the severe lack of explanation is annoying. Imagine if they had done that with the killer in 3-5? We all know who I mean, but I'm only spoiling 4-4 here and not 3-5 too It wasn't just rushed either but a bit... anti-climactic. Apollo was really quite sidelined I felt (barring the bits with him and Vera, seeing as how it is OBVIOUS he had a thing for her), and it really became a bit of a Klavier/Kristoph show from what I remember. I would have liked to have seen them go head-to-head actually, a battle of brothers. All of the stuff about Trucy and Troupe Grammarye was unnecessary though I felt, especially after we see Phoenix's stint. They could have unravelled all that in more of a 3-4 style bit, considering we play as Phoenix. So much of the MASON system revolved around that, rather than the actual case. I am not biased toward Phoenix, I'm more of an Edgeworth/Franziska sort of guy Phoenix may have bluffed his way through a lot and gotten lucky, but the point was he had the confidence to make the stand and the ability to follow it through without everyone else leading him. Don't get me wrong, I think Apollo has potential, but Phoenix was just better at that stage of his career (PW1 vs AJ1). Apollo needs to take charge and stop letting Klavier, Phoenix, Trucy, Kristoph, and everybody else in between from taking the reins of power! Next thing you know the Judge will be in charge! Oh, and regarding the prosecutors being after Phoenix: EDGEWORTH! Phoenix and Edgeworth get some real tag-teaming done in the end! Some side characters were poor yes, as were some of the side characters in Apollo. Either poor or just plain annoying (Wocky anyone?). Oh, who is Penny? I don't recall the name. As for Ema in 1-5... 1-5 is off continuity, all things considered. After all, it wasn't a part of the original Japanese canon until the western DS release, all the bonus features and the like there to make it easier to sell on DS. Not every character is going to be great, sure enough, but on the whole I found the KEY characters, the recurring ones, to be better in the original Phoenix Wright trilogy. Maybe I am just a bit biased toward them more, considering I played all four games in succession really. Over-exposure to the PW lot. |
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Post by Clocky: Activity is a Thing on Sept 12, 2009 14:16:57 GMT -5
Phoenix isn't exactly "better", I think you're just biased. *cough* XDXD They have different approaches, that's all. Phoenix bluffed his way to victory and was incredibly lucky. Apollo uses the power of friendship law. |
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Post by Ikkin on Sept 12, 2009 19:55:32 GMT -5
Found this on Youtube, and I thought you all might find it amusing - "It's gotta be the Butz!" Silly musical Phoenix Wright <3. |
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Post by Killix on Sept 12, 2009 22:40:57 GMT -5
Wait wha? Apollo didn't have anything for Vera as far as I was concerned. o___o
Except for the general "I've gotta make sure an innocent person doesn't go to jail/die"
I liked Wocky. XD The only one I couldn't stand was Brushell. x____x getawayplz. Penny Nichols? Yeah, nobody remembers her. XD From 1-3. 1-5 certainy fits into the canon... but, yeah, the plot hole is a big one for continuity. XDXD Perhaps so. I like all of the games equally, really. Maybe with PW2 being my least favourite game of them all. (minus the fantastic 2-4) I don't really group the characters from PWAA and AJAA into two seperate boxes and then judge them, since it's all the same Ace Attorney to me. XD I pretty much go case-by-case. Some were great, some were okay... some I don't want to ever have to play through again (2-3) Your mileage may vary. XD |
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Post by Morton on Sept 13, 2009 4:32:14 GMT -5
Oh come on, it was obvious at the start there was something between Apollo and Vera! They just never built on it, unlike the... 3-5 thing with Phoenix and.... fill in the blanks yourself and let Pearls give you a whack for it Brushell was certainly annoying, but I found Wocky to be more of a pain in the backside than any other. I think that's my main gripe, in terms of annoying characters AJ seemed to have more. PW had its share in the likes of Larry and Oldbag, but AJ's seemed more commonplace. And I remember Penny now, and see your point. 2-3 was pretty poor as well. It's a shame really, as the 1-3 was a bit naff too I felt. Start well after tutorial (probably because of the intros of Edgeworth and Franziska to an extent) and finish strong, but have something weak in between. T&T is probably my favourite one there. Although the ongoing "undefeated ace prosecutor" thing was annoying when it first flagged up again, there was that nice twist to it this time, and the stories all felt stronger. Before you say anything, yes, still annoying characters (the restaurant case seemed to have them all nicely grouped together there). Oh, and what is up with "your mileage may vary"? I'm guessing I'm missing something here |
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Post by Killix on Sept 13, 2009 15:49:16 GMT -5
"Your mileage may vary" means that people wont always get the same experience out of something. Everyone has their own preferences and certain things they will like or dislike that others may not share the same opinion on. XD tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YourMileageMayVaryI was just trying to say that some things are just all down to opinion and preference. XD Bob could like character A because he/she (example) has several funny quirks, while Sally could dislike character A because she thinks quirks are annoying. *shrugs* 2-3 is the only case I ever hated playing. Ever. It was the only case where I hated every (case specific) character, too. XD PW2 itself just wasn't that great. It only had one excellent case (2-4) and one okay case (2-2) with the remaining two being pretty bad. IMO, anyway. They could've made me play a "strip Grossberg naked" bakublock minigame instead of 2-3, and it would've been more entertaining. (okay, okay, exaggeration to the MAX) T&T is generally the favourite of most people, I think. <3 I'm not sure which game is my favourite, though... it's too hard. XD By the way, I love talking about AA. =D |
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Post by Morton on Sept 13, 2009 16:24:09 GMT -5
Killix, it shows That expression will never mean anything to me I think. But I get the point. Everything in life in a question of perception, and your perception will dictate your opinions and preferences. On the front of people preferring T&T, I think it does hold the best collection of stories across the board. Although some individual stories are great elsewhere (particularly those endings, 1-4 and 2-4, as well as the endlessly twisting 1-5 DS special), T&T just seems to work best as a whole. That is a bit extreme on 2-3 though! I mean stripping Grossberg naked... *shudders*. I have a horrible mental image of inflamed haemorroids (I think I've spelt that wrong). The case is pretty naff though, and once you meet the killer it is VERY obvious. I now really wish it wasn't nighttime and sleep looming, as that image of Grossberg is invariably going to give me nightmares! Thanks for that  |
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