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Post by Ikkin on Aug 10, 2007 17:40:22 GMT -5
So what would be a better word for wind, then? xD It's actually so long that it couldn't actually be used as a computer password. XD There's usually length limits on those.  I suppose it's one way of keeping people you don't want out, though. Even if they found the password, it would take them so long to type it that you'd probably realize they got in before they finished typing. x3 [glow=red,2,300]Celest or something like that, for Sky. Completely effeminate, but so is Sora. XDDDD[/glow] [glow=red,2,300]ma-b it wuz chtspk?  TXTTALK PW![/glow] [glow=red,2,300]Dan is a LAZY LAZY LAZY BUM and won't log in to his own darnded account to post these theories himself. -_-;
He says the Chasers have to do with the light in people's hearts. Because when someone is turned into a heartless, the darkness in their heart becomes a Heartless adn the shell becomes a Nobody, but where does the light go? I told him I think the light goes to Kingdom Hearts, but he thinks it has something to do with the Chasers. Also, at the beginning of KH2, when Roxas is in the mansion looking at Namine's drawings, on the table you see the Heartless insignia, the Nobody insignia and Roxas draws a sun with an X through it. Dan said that this may be the symbol for the light in people's hearts.
They're good points... Now to get him to log in. *insert diabolical plotting here* [/glow] ...Sora might be a bit effeminate, but Celest is just plain girly. XD And at least Sora isn't girly in English. xD How would Sora be able to figure it out, then? xD I think there were two different symbols that were possibilities for the third symbol on the table, though; I've seen the sun-looking one, but I've seen something else, too. Can't remember what, though. >_>;
It's a possibility... Though I tend to think they're more related to the Keyblade wielders than to the Heartless; I agree with you about the light part going to Kingdom Hearts. 'Cause there was definitely something that went to Kingdom hearts. xD
There's a rumor about "Dis-souls" on the internet. Not sure how accurate it is, but if it's true, it could be related to the third symbol. |
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Post by PFA on Aug 10, 2007 18:11:14 GMT -5
And also, how would they even know what order it comes in?  It's not so hard to guess the order on the second password, though. I mean, they always intoduce themselves as 'Sora, Donald, and Goofy.'  |
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Post by Ikkin on Aug 12, 2007 17:28:36 GMT -5
Translated from the Kingdom Hearts Ultimania book:
Which suggests that Xehanort didn't actually know for sure that Kairi was a Princess of Heart, but just figured he might as well send her because she was a princess. I thought the Disney Princess movies (apart from Beauty and the Beast) would be hard to convert to Kingdom Hearts worlds at first, but... the evil queen asked for Snow White's heart in a box. That could be an easy place to bring in some Heartless, methinks. xD (Plus, the idea of the evil queen and Maleficent being together is rather amusing, since they do seem rather similar) |
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Post by Zylaa on Aug 12, 2007 17:41:20 GMT -5
If the DTD password is all the names of the seven princesses... well, that's an insanely long password. Can you imagine having to type that password all the time? It's actually so long that it couldn't actually be used as a computer password. XD There's usually length limits on those. I suppose it's one way of keeping people you don't want out, though. Even if they found the password, it would take them so long to type it that you'd probably realize they got in before they finished typing. x3 [/quote]
XDDD
Sora: SnowwhiteSleepingBeautyBelle-
Computer: Intruder detected. *zaps Sora*
Sora: *dies*
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Post by Omni on Aug 12, 2007 19:56:40 GMT -5
Ever notice? The name 'Roxas' is an anagram for 'Sora' with an 'x' stuck in it! (Sorry if that has already been mentioned. I'm really not sure I want to open some of those spoilers since I'm not very far into either PS2 KH game, and I haven't played CoM at all) Remember how that one guy said that Roxas' meeting Naminé "put his heart in contact with Kairi's"? Well, if Nobodies don't have hearts, and Roxas is Sora's Nobody, then how does that work?
I know that Roxas is different from the others, (keyblade, plus the stuff that was shown in the opening movie) but still, I found that interesting.
(...If there's an answer and it's a moderate-big spoiler then don't tell me it) |
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Post by Elcie on Aug 13, 2007 8:54:01 GMT -5
Translated from the Kingdom Hearts Ultimania book:
Which suggests that Xehanort didn't actually know for sure that Kairi was a Princess of Heart, but just figured he might as well send her because she was a princess. I thought the Disney Princess movies (apart from Beauty and the Beast) would be hard to convert to Kingdom Hearts worlds at first, but... the evil queen asked for Snow White's heart in a box. That could be an easy place to bring in some Heartless, methinks. xD (Plus, the idea of the evil queen and Maleficent being together is rather amusing, since they do seem rather similar) That seems likely, from what was said in the Ansem's Reports by both Ansem himself and Xehanort. ... kay, was I the only one who was cracking up while watching Dead Man's Chest for the first time? XDDD I was all, HEARTLESS! I mean, if KH3 (or whatever) includes a return to Port Royal, they totally need to include something with Davy Jones and the whole heart-losing-thing he has going on. Ever notice? The name 'Roxas' is an anagram for 'Sora' with an 'x' stuck in it! (Sorry if that has already been mentioned. I'm really not sure I want to open some of those spoilers since I'm not very far into either PS2 KH game, and I haven't played CoM at all) Remember how that one guy said that Roxas' meeting Naminé "put his heart in contact with Kairi's"? Well, if Nobodies don't have hearts, and Roxas is Sora's Nobody, then how does that work?
I know that Roxas is different from the others, (keyblade, plus the stuff that was shown in the opening movie) but still, I found that interesting.
(...If there's an answer and it's a moderate-big spoiler then don't tell me it) All the Organization XIII Nobodies have that - their names are an anagram of their Other's name, plus an X.
Xemnas = Ansem + X
Xigbar = Braig + X
Xaldin = Dilan + X
Vexen = Even + X
Lexaeus = Aeleus or Elaeus + X ((Oddly enough, no one's really sure about him. The Japanese can be interpreted either way, and in the English game it was - get this - misspelled. They called him "Eleus" and left the A out entirely. XD But it's not as bad as what they did to poor Braig - he got called "Blaig."))
Zexion = Ienzo + X
The former names of the remaining six were never revealed, but everyone has their ideas. Here's mine.
Saix = Ais + X
Axel = Lae + X
Demyx = Emyd + X
Luxord = Ludor + X
Marluxia = Malauri + X
Larxene = Arlene + X
But those are complete and utter guesses based on what I think sounds the best. None of them even make any sense besides Arlene. XD Here's my theory. Roxas's heart is Sora's, basically. And Sora was, at the time, in a deep Namine-induced sleep to recover his memories. DiZ hinted that Roxas was being deeply affected by Sora's recovery, which explains why he, Kairi, and Sora were all connected at that point. Especially when you allow for Namine's differences from the other Nobodies. |
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Post by Ikkin on Aug 13, 2007 13:19:12 GMT -5
I thought the Disney Princess movies (apart from Beauty and the Beast) would be hard to convert to Kingdom Hearts worlds at first, but... the evil queen asked for Snow White's heart in a box. That could be an easy place to bring in some Heartless, methinks. xD (Plus, the idea of the evil queen and Maleficent being together is rather amusing, since they do seem rather similar) ... kay, was I the only one who was cracking up while watching Dead Man's Chest for the first time? XDDD I was all, HEARTLESS! I mean, if KH3 (or whatever) includes a return to Port Royal, they totally need to include something with Davy Jones and the whole heart-losing-thing he has going on. Oh, I was thinking about the Kingdom Hearts stuff the whole way through both of the movies... XD Mostly random stuff like how Davy Jones was really a Nobody, and how pwnsome it would be to have a Keyblade made from the key to Davy Jones' chest.
And besides... PotC is just plain made of pwn; there's no way they could get away without doing the sequels in the game. xD ...not sure whether they'd be able to convince Pixar, but... Monsters, Inc. could be fun, with all the doors and such. Or Toy Story, if only because it'd be amusing to see Sora as an action figure or something. x3 I was reading the "Secret Developers' Interview" over again, and I found something that seemed rather interesting: It's interesting to see how the Nobodies, who lack hearts, were able to create emotions and a personality for themselves using their memories. (Though it also makes me wonder about Xemnas, who didn't have any memories because Xehanort's Heartless took them instead) The translation seems a little odd in a few places, though, so I'm really curious what Nomura means when he says that "The Organization thought of Namine's gift to manipulate memories as a way to resolve the actual circumstances surrounding each of their abilities and attributes" - it sounds like the abilities and attributes stem from their memories, though there doesn't seem to be any reason why this should happen. And if memories were so influential in regards to the Nobodies' power, would Namine be able to manipulate the powers themselves? I'm also curious about the line "In order to assume a new existence, information about their own personal circumstances must first be gathered." It's phrased as if it's a prerequisite for a Nobody existing, but it seems like it would be more the type of thing that a Nobody would have to actively do. That interview just has so much stuff... XD |
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Post by Rider on Aug 15, 2007 19:56:39 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]Has everyone seen the Final Mix + Secret Ending?[/glow] [glow=red,2,300]So Dan was talking about Mr. Freakazoid Old Dude and his outfit was really bugging him. I, being the less feminine of the pair of us, said, "They probably just ripped it off another FF villain," but Dan's all, "No, I've seen that outfit before somewhere else. It's a generic villain outfit, yet he manages to pinpoint it as Xenhanort's. To my credit, though, I managed to pinpoint the freakazoid dome-head's outfit as Riku's Dark Mode. Grass skirt and all. BOYS SHOULD NOT WEAR SKIRTS. (Unless it's Dan...) He's convinced that the old guy is Xehanort and the Skirted One is Xehanort's Chaser. Needless to say, I'm not convinced. He's convinced that Blondie is Roxas, but I think he's just a fanboy. That's most certainly Ven. It certainly is violent for a KH trailer.  I kept doing double-takes. I wonder if the third game will be T-rated. The end, though, where Old Fogey-san takes that pink flaming orb and uses it to create a heart-chaped moon-thing... is that another Kingdom Hearts? Dan thinks that the flaming pink thing is Roxas' soul. (The tasteless jokes were pouring out of my mouth of their own accord.) I didn't see Terra's resemblance to Saix until I watched the higher-quality video. Before, oddly enough, I thought he looked like Leon. But he does look more like Saix. Why does everyone think the Chasers are in the past? Just curious; everyone seems so convinced.[/glow] [glow=red,2,300]I was wrong, Ansem the Wise isn't her daddy. T_T The Secret Ansem Reports call her a "resident of Radiant Garden." [/glow] |
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Post by Elcie on Aug 15, 2007 20:15:26 GMT -5
Oh, yes, I'd totally forgotten about Mr. Bald Man wearing Xehanort's clothes. XD And on a completely unrelated note, has anyone noticed that Xehanort's boots are the same as the Organization's?
>.> Moving on to actually relevant things, I read an interesting theory about why people think the Chasers are in the past. I don't know if it's actually significant or just a stylistic detail, but... when Mickey shows up, he's wearing black and white. Some think this points to him before being king, moving out of the Timeless River era. I dunno, just thought that was interesting X3
I originally thought the Chasers were from the remote future, based on the original secret ending that had them in it. They all walk out into a desert full of Keyblades and pick up those belonging to Sora, Riku, and Mickey, all three of which look rusted and unused. That, to me, says "future." But since the new secret ending actively contradicts the first one, I'm starting to go back on that theory. (For one, Mickey's Keyblade - in the first ending, Aqua got it (I think) and in the second ending, Mickey had it.)
Another thing. Aqua, Ven, and Terra. Ven looks like Roxas or Sora. Aqua looks like Kairi. And Terra to my eyes resembles Saix or possibly a brown-haired Xehanort. Plus, the way his eyes turn color is highly suggestive. Still, a clear parallel to the Sora/Kairi/Riku trio, obviously, and that is very interesting. The first ending did point to that, although Aqua got, not Kairi's keyblade, but Mickey's, for whatever reason.
Bald Guy. He's wearing Xehanort's clothes. The masked one was wearing Riku's evil clothes. Now, we know from CoM that Riku got the skirt outfit whenever he was using Ansem's power of darkness. Thus, I think that the masked guy was baldy's apprentice/underling/son. Well, no, probably not his son. XD
Here's something. Sora and Kairi both have Nobodies. Riku does not. As for the Chaser trio, Aqua and Ven both resemble Sora and Kairi. Terra, however, bears no resemblance to Riku, despite the obvious parallel (him picking up Riku's keyblade in the first ending; his eyes turning).
I'm really curious here. The parallels are countless. I wonder; is Sora's adventure merely history repeating itself? Now I want to go watch all the cutscenes again. But I can't. Darn it. |
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Post by Rider on Aug 15, 2007 20:29:36 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]That is what King Triton suggested in the first game. "The power of the bracelet can bring forth either salvation or destruction at the whim of the -" wait... wrong game... Something about the Keyblade being used before etc. so yes, this is history repeating itself. History tends to stutter, actually. -_-; Regarding the black-and-white: So in Xemnas, but he didn't look like he was from the past. XDDD He looked ridonkulous. Aqua does not look like Kairi. Aqua looks like a generic anime girl and Kairi looks like a generic anime girl, but Aqua doesn't particularly look like Kairi, at least in my humble opinion. The thought of Fogey-san being allowed to reproduce scares me. Aqua does not have Kairi's Keyblade because Kairi's Keyblade is stupid and flowery. XDDDD Boots are boots. Like trenchcoats and anime girls, they come in few varieties.  [/glow] |
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Post by Ikkin on Aug 15, 2007 23:39:30 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]So Dan was talking about Mr. Freakazoid Old Dude and his outfit was really bugging him. I, being the less feminine of the pair of us, said, "They probably just ripped it off another FF villain," but Dan's all, "No, I've seen that outfit before somewhere else. It's a generic villain outfit, yet he manages to pinpoint it as Xenhanort's. To my credit, though, I managed to pinpoint the freakazoid dome-head's outfit as Riku's Dark Mode. Grass skirt and all. BOYS SHOULD NOT WEAR SKIRTS. (Unless it's Dan...) He's convinced that the old guy is Xehanort and the Skirted One is Xehanort's Chaser. Needless to say, I'm not convinced. He's convinced that Blondie is Roxas, but I think he's just a fanboy. That's most certainly Ven. It certainly is violent for a KH trailer. I kept doing double-takes. I wonder if the third game will be T-rated. The end, though, where Old Fogey-san takes that pink flaming orb and uses it to create a heart-chaped moon-thing... is that another Kingdom Hearts? Dan thinks that the flaming pink thing is Roxas' soul. (The tasteless jokes were pouring out of my mouth of their own accord.) I didn't see Terra's resemblance to Saix until I watched the higher-quality video. Before, oddly enough, I thought he looked like Leon. But he does look more like Saix. Why does everyone think the Chasers are in the past? Just curious; everyone seems so convinced.[/glow] ...you mean Xehanort's Heartless' outfit, not Xehanort's, right? 'Cause Xehanort wore a white lab coat with a purple tie thing, and baldie... didn't. xD Baldy can't be Xehanort, though, because not only is Xehanort much darker-skinned and bishie-looking... Nomura said in one of the interviews that none of the characters in the video were people that we've seen. And we've seen Xehanort, even if it was only for a grand total of one minute. xD They're definitely wearing the same outfit, though, apart from the fact that baldy has the good sense to button his shirt, and he's not wearing a Heartless symbol (which makes sense, since the Heartless probably hadn't been created yet). "Dome-head," as you call him, isn't wearing Dark Riku's exact outfit, but they're definitely similar. I tend to think that the Knights are the Chasers, and Chasers aren't things like Heartless or Nobodies that anyone could have. Violent, but lovely-looking nonetheless. ^_^ And considering that the final game might look close to as pretty as the trailer... @_@ Wouldn't be surprised if it got the T, though, if only because ESRB tends to add rating-points for better graphics. And KHII was so close as it was (which is probably the reason for the inconsistent last-minute editing)... The heart-shaped moon apparently isn't another Kingdom Hearts, just a visual design intended to tie the games more closely together. (Yup, another one of the interview things) No word on what it is yet, though. If the flaming pink thing was Roxas' (or Ven's) soul, he'd be dead. I don't think the resemblances mean anything, really. *shrugs* Except for the one between Ven and Roxas. People think the Chasers are in the past because of another interview response. It was something like, "You could think of it as being in the past, but also in the future... but the scene in the video itself is really in the past." Which was kind of confusing, but yeah. Aww... D= I liked that theory.
I still don't believe Ansem was being totally honest in those reports (because I don't believe a scientist could be so unobservant as not to realize that Ienzo wanting an entire basement lab just for their testing of Xehanort was more than a bit suspicious), but he doesn't really have any reason to hide that. Oh, yes, I'd totally forgotten about Mr. Bald Man wearing Xehanort's clothes. XD And on a completely unrelated note, has anyone noticed that Xehanort's boots are the same as the Organization's?
>.> Moving on to actually relevant things, I read an interesting theory about why people think the Chasers are in the past. I don't know if it's actually significant or just a stylistic detail, but... when Mickey shows up, he's wearing black and white. Some think this points to him before being king, moving out of the Timeless River era. I dunno, just thought that was interesting X3
I originally thought the Chasers were from the remote future, based on the original secret ending that had them in it. They all walk out into a desert full of Keyblades and pick up those belonging to Sora, Riku, and Mickey, all three of which look rusted and unused. That, to me, says "future." But since the new secret ending actively contradicts the first one, I'm starting to go back on that theory. (For one, Mickey's Keyblade - in the first ending, Aqua got it (I think) and in the second ending, Mickey had it.)
Another thing. Aqua, Ven, and Terra. Ven looks like Roxas or Sora. Aqua looks like Kairi. And Terra to my eyes resembles Saix or possibly a brown-haired Xehanort. Plus, the way his eyes turn color is highly suggestive. Still, a clear parallel to the Sora/Kairi/Riku trio, obviously, and that is very interesting. The first ending did point to that, although Aqua got, not Kairi's keyblade, but Mickey's, for whatever reason.
Bald Guy. He's wearing Xehanort's clothes. The masked one was wearing Riku's evil clothes. Now, we know from CoM that Riku got the skirt outfit whenever he was using Ansem's power of darkness. Thus, I think that the masked guy was baldy's apprentice/underling/son. Well, no, probably not his son. XD
Here's something. Sora and Kairi both have Nobodies. Riku does not. As for the Chaser trio, Aqua and Ven both resemble Sora and Kairi. Terra, however, bears no resemblance to Riku, despite the obvious parallel (him picking up Riku's keyblade in the first ending; his eyes turning).
I'm really curious here. The parallels are countless. I wonder; is Sora's adventure merely history repeating itself? Now I want to go watch all the cutscenes again. But I can't. Darn it. I think the boots are just in style in the Realm of Darkness. Like the Organization's cloaks. ^_^
Ooh, that's interesting. I hadn't noticed that... I suppose that's a possibility; his pouches definitely look greyscale, anyway.
I read that the scene with the knights picking up Sora, Mickey, and Riku's Keyblades was only there to show that there was a connection, and it wasn't meant to be taken literally. Or something like that. (Mickey didn't necessarily have the same Keyblade as the one Aqua picked up in the first secret movie, though; he's got the one from Yen Sid in KHII, and since he has both a Realm of Light Keyblade and a Realm of Darkness Keyblade, they could be different. On the other hand, the Yen Sid Keyblade could imply that he'd just finished his training)
I think the masked guy could be part of baldy, rather than his apprentice, since he came out from the second image baldy created of himself. Could go either way, though. As for history repeating itself... considering the fact that Aqua (or her armor, at least) ended up in Xemnas' secret underground "Room of Sleep," probably not. ^^; Random question, but... Does anyone know where this image originated from (and where I could find a full-size version, considering that it has shrinkage artifacts)?  |
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Post by Elcie on Aug 16, 2007 5:26:39 GMT -5
Oh man, I'd forgotten so much of this. Definitely need to rewatch everything when I get the chance. XD
And I think that's from the KH2 manga... second or third volume? I don't know because I only have the first. XD
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Post by Ikkin on Aug 18, 2007 1:52:15 GMT -5
And I think that's from the KH2 manga... second or third volume? I don't know because I only have the first. XD I finally found a link to the full version of that picture... it's from the second KHII novel, apparently. I also read a lot of other stuff about those novels that made me really want them to come here so I could read them. D= Particularly regarding Axel, Riku, and Namine. ...apparently, Disney has actually had mascot versions of KH characters in the past ( Sora, along with the KH versions of Donald and Goofy). I wish I could have seen that. XD Also... Axel as Jack Sparrow wins the universe.  |
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Post by Elcie on Aug 18, 2007 8:44:39 GMT -5
And I think that's from the KH2 manga... second or third volume? I don't know because I only have the first. XD I finally found a link to the full version of that picture... it's from the second KHII novel, apparently. I also read a lot of other stuff about those novels that made me really want them to come here so I could read them. D= Particularly regarding Axel, Riku, and Namine. ...apparently, Disney has actually had mascot versions of KH characters in the past ( Sora, along with the KH versions of Donald and Goofy). I wish I could have seen that. XD Also... Axel as Jack Sparrow wins the universe. Heehee...  I wish they would have Kingdom Hearts stuff at Disneyland and such. That'd be cool. |
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Post by PFA on Aug 18, 2007 11:11:58 GMT -5
Is that, like, Disneyland or Disneyworld? If so, that is pure win. @.@ It's win anyway, but still. <3 |
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I kept doing double-takes. I wonder if the third game will be T-rated.
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