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Post by Nimras on Feb 23, 2006 9:42:15 GMT -5
Whoops, I forgot to include a couple outfits... Mongolian Thai Vietnamese Somewhere up there, I forget who, pointed out the girls feet aren't bound. This would actually make sense, because for a long period of time, China was actually conquered by Mongolia and ruled by Mongolian nobles ( The Yuan Dynasty, 1279-1368). In an effort to keep the Mongolians separate from the Chinese, Mongolian women didn't bind their feet. This is the same edict that made the Chinese men wear that long iconic ponytail for the same reason.
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Post by Tracy on Feb 23, 2006 9:56:02 GMT -5
Mulan is an awesome film :3 But would that mean... the female Mynci is in concubine dress? What??? Where in the blue blazes do you take that from it? The fact someone compared the Mynci to a Geisha... and the Geishaesque women of China, as in Mulan... are concubines >> It was a bit of a wild stab XDD
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Post by Nimras on Feb 23, 2006 10:03:48 GMT -5
I think that only came up because of the book and movie "Memiors of a Gisha."
First of all, Gisha's were Japanese, not Chinese. They were NOT concubines by definition, they were professional hostess' who entertain guests through various performing arts in tea houses called O-chaya. They are trained in a number of traditional skills such as Japanese ancient dance, singing, playing instruments such as the Shamisen, flower arrangement, wearing kimo no, tea ceremony, calligraphy, conversation, alcohol serving manners and more. There are still about 10,000 of them in Japan.
"Geisha women maintain many different relationships with men. They are not prostitutes. It is appropriate for geisha to have a patron (danna), whom she is involved with emotionally, economically, and sexually, however it is up to the geisha whether she wants one or not. " (http://marian.creighton.edu/~marian-w/academics/english/japan/geisha/geisharole.html)
(EDIT: I think this is just a case if "the character in the book had sex, therefore all Gisha's had sex, therefore they were concubines", logic.)
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Post by At School on Feb 23, 2006 13:43:12 GMT -5
Then the royal Myncis are that of Japanese and not Chinese?
So what does a Japanese emperor getup look like?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2006 14:03:43 GMT -5
i like it. Its a sort of twist of them to do that.
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Post by Nimras on Feb 23, 2006 14:42:53 GMT -5
Then the royal Myncis are that of Japanese and not Chinese? So what does a Japanese emperor getup look like? *palmsmack* No, they're Chinese. The whole point was that they weren't Japanese.
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Post by Psycho on Feb 23, 2006 15:55:32 GMT -5
Whoops, I forgot to include a couple outfits... Mongolian Thai Vietnamese Somewhere up there, I forget who, pointed out the girls feet aren't bound. This would actually make sense, because for a long period of time, China was actually conquered by Mongolia and ruled by Mongolian nobles ( The Yuan Dynasty, 1279-1368). In an effort to keep the Mongolians separate from the Chinese, Mongolian women didn't bind their feet. This is the same edict that made the Chinese men wear that long iconic ponytail for the same reason. The Chinese have 50-some ethnic groups, and each have their own dialects and cultures. It would have been wiser to have just taken after a certain dynasty than to have tried to encorporate them all. Then again, TNT can't be expected to be entirely historically accurate. I suppose I expected the Myncis to take after the more populous, less-nomadic, southern ethnic groups, such as the Han (my family is from that region). Now that I think about it, the Chinese Myncis take more after traditional Chinese opera than anything else: except minus the makeup, and the crazy costumes: I probably would have recognized it sooner had they left the makeup part in - the men, who portray Gods most of the time, have super long beards and crazier makeup than the women. Nimras is right, the Geishas are Japanese, and were not concubines. The Japanese have a strong sense of politeness and etiquette, hence the role of a Geisha, or hostess. The Japanese Emperor looks like this:
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Post by Nimras on Feb 23, 2006 16:01:45 GMT -5
Yes, China is HUGE, and there is no such thing as a standard 'Chinese' person. However, since it's a Royal Mynici, I mostly just stuck to the royals themselves; which come from a much smaller stock.
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Post by Psycho on Feb 23, 2006 16:04:26 GMT -5
well, ok, my post was more of a cultural lesson for all of you and a few words of reflection for me. there are a lot of things I don't know about my own heritage, and I'm still learning. So off-topic Forgive me. All it took to get me to start liking the Royal Mynci was a bit of interpretation Oh, but the Mynci's are beyond redemption - I still wish they'd chosen the Peophin. It's easy to drape a robe over the Peophin, and the fact that the Peophin has no back legs to stand on puts more emphasis on the headdress of both male and female royals. Right, I'm biased. *runs away*
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Post by Psycho on Feb 23, 2006 16:09:03 GMT -5
Yes, China is HUGE, and there is no such thing as a standard 'Chinese' person. However, since it's a Royal Mynici, I mostly just stuck to the royals themselves; which come from a much smaller stock. Right, I know, I lost focus there. I was overly concerned with the representation of Chinese culture overall.
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Post by Komori on Feb 23, 2006 16:28:55 GMT -5
All it took to get me to start liking the Royal Mynci was a bit of interpretation Oh, but the Mynci's are beyond redemption - I still wish they'd chosen the Peophin. It's easy to drape a robe over the Peophin, and the fact that the Peophin has no back legs to stand on puts more emphasis on the headdress of both male and female royals. Right, I'm biased. *runs away* Ew, Peophins. I think a monkey would fit a bit better with the sorta' Confucious look than a seahorse. But then, I'm biased the other way. ;D Anyway, who'da thought the cultural royal Myncis would've gotten so much debate. Funny, nobody complained about the Greek Korbats or Arabic Draiks.
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Post by Nimras on Feb 23, 2006 17:00:51 GMT -5
Well, I like those pets. And I don't think they're any more sterotypical than the other Royal pets. The idea of using different cultures is really neat... I wonder if Neo ever gets to my homeland with these designs o.o Though yeah, the Estonians have no royalty. We're a 700-year-old slave folk and the clothes our kings wore before that time looked everything but royal. Hehe, I know I'd get a good laugh if they ever decided to use Estonian national clothes tough x3 You guys would see lotsa striped skirts and metal. Our grannies wore more metal than today's most devoted punks =3 Hrm, I wonder if Neo has decided to open a Chinese-style world? First the Imperial Exam game, now this. I smell something here... Hee, your discription made me curious, and I think I've found the only picture on the whole of the internet. *grin* sarahcarsonphotography.com/images/lg_images/estonian_women_lg.jpg
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Post by Kaljinyu on Feb 24, 2006 0:29:58 GMT -5
Geeosh, why didn't I come here sooner? These Royal Myncis have roiled up some mighty strong responses!
Anyway, if I can jet off onto a tangent or two, who thinks that Royal Draiks should have been more elven, or more knightly? They're the poster-children for Meridell!
Also, what other royal cultures do you guys predict for other pets? I personally like the whole alien thing going on with the Shoyru.
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Post by auntfalcor on Feb 25, 2006 2:03:23 GMT -5
I so want to see a pair of Royal Neopets with dreadlocks. That would be freaking AWESOME. And no, this would not have anything to do with my current fangirl-obsession with Brandon Jay Mclaren. What gave you that idea? [edit]And there's a difference between stereotyping and attributing certain practices and attributes to ceratin cultures. Saying that geisha Myncis are offensive just because they protray ancient Japenese culture is means that you're saying we should deny any differences between cultures and portray everybody the same. It's like saying you're ashamed of your cultural heritage.
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Post by Frozen on Feb 25, 2006 4:31:45 GMT -5
Only about as offensive as Mulan. And yeah, Mulan is pretty offensive. The whole movie showed how little Disney knows about Ancient Chinese culture. Either that or they changed the story for some reason.
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