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Post by Retired Blub on Nov 26, 2004 16:23:31 GMT -5
Me and my brother had a big argument over this last night. My brother said that most of the reality shows out there are scripted, and are crap. I dsagreed, and said no, and that he really didn't have any proof about this. I said no because, c'mon, it looks more real then fake. They even have auditions for these shows (they most likely wouldn't if it was scripted), and even it was scripted, don't you think the truth would have come out by now? If reality shows were scripted, that would make it be one of the biggest lies in television history. That's my take on it. What's yours?  |
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Post by Wolf on Nov 26, 2004 16:50:53 GMT -5
Me and my brother had a big argument over this last night. My brother said that most of the reality shows out there are scripted, and are crap. I dsagreed, and said no, and that he really didn't have any proof about this. I said no because, c'mon, it looks more real then fake. They even have auditions for these shows (they most likely wouldn't if it was scripted), and even it was scripted, don't you think the truth would have come out by now? If reality shows were scripted, that would make it be one of the biggest lies in television history. That's my take on it. What's yours? I don't really care whether or not they're fake, but I think the point is that, though they're "real" in the way that everything is actually happening to the contestants, the reactions are not completely spontaneous. The shows need to get ratings, and that means that they need to have action. If everyone's getting along, that doesn't work. My personal stand on this is that the directors push the contestants in a certain direction, and let them take it until they need another push. About what you were saying, wouldn't them having auditions prove that it's at least partially fake? I mean, that fact alone shows us that they're trying to find someone right for part that they want -- that they want it a specific way. And auditions would DEFINITELY happen if it was scripted. Knowing a bit about auditions, I'm pretty sure that they wouldn't have them just to see if people can talk on their feet. Why did you think that having scripts means not having auditions, by the way? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2004 0:25:05 GMT -5
Reality shows; like Extremem Makeover, Big Brother and The Amazing Race...you can tell they're real. You don't exactly spend a good 100,000 or 200,000 dollars to knock down a house and thn double that to make a new one, and the if The Amazing Race was sripted, it'd be on a set, and they would have fixed that little "ox" mistake in the 5th race...I think it was the 5th one...
I do think, though, that Survivor is on a set. It's too...oh, how do I put this, un-realistic. The fire in the torches would have probably been blown out by the wind, and those people would probably die before long. I think Survivor is a hoax.
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Post by Killix on Nov 27, 2004 0:51:16 GMT -5
I don't think Survivor is a hoax. As for the torches, they're re-lit by the camp's fire and snuffed out for safety reasons after every tribal council  |
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Post by scarletrhapsody on Nov 27, 2004 9:38:41 GMT -5
I think to a certain extent they're scripted. Many times participants are made to show this reaction, for a dramatic effect perhaps, to raise the ratings. Sometimes a person is asked to act a certain way to spice up the character, or insert a character which this person does not have.
I've heard of how producers put two completely unrelated scenes together using editing, to make it look a little more dramatic.
I mean come on. I don't really think any tom, dick, and harry's life is this exciting. Most people don't have such extreme personality. I think mostly things are spiced up in "reality" shows. And participants have told about how they feel cheated and misunderstood due to how the show choose to portray them.
However there are a few that don't exactly look like they're scripted. Like Amazing Race, in which case I feel the emphasis is more on the game part, and in playing games emotions are revealed.
Generally I wouldn't say every reality show out there is scripted, but we can't deny there are some black horses.
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Post by Shadyy on Nov 27, 2004 10:46:41 GMT -5
I don't care whether they're real or not. I think they all stink and that they're blocking every single channel giving us a great education and such. Oh , yeah I love reality shows. I think that -sadly enough- some of them are true and that we live in a sad,sad world...it's all voyeurisme (don't know if this word exists in english) anyway, that's not healthy
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2004 12:41:45 GMT -5
I don't think Survivor is a hoax. As for the torches, they're re-lit by the camp's fire and snuffed out for safety reasons after every tribal council No, I mean DURING the tribal council. |
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Post by Stal on Nov 27, 2004 12:52:24 GMT -5
No, I mean DURING the tribal council. It happens, Erika. During one season there was a funny "curse". The wind/rain would blow out a person's torch during the council and they'd relight it (do remember there is major editing. We get only an hour of mismash out of 72 some hours). That person would be the one that'd actually be voted out. It had a decent streak going. XD Other times, if you actually pay attention, they're all out due to rain and wind and then relit. Survivor isn't fake. I can pretty much gaurantee that. Of course Burnett only brings on people who he knows will clash with one another. Then there's the fact we get major editing in the episodes that indicate that something needs to happen and then bam it happens. That's not scripted; it's good editing. |
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Post by Retired Blub on Nov 27, 2004 15:08:03 GMT -5
I don't really care whether or not they're fake, but I think the point is that, though they're "real" in the way that everything is actually happening to the contestants, the reactions are not completely spontaneous. The shows need to get ratings, and that means that they need to have action. If everyone's getting along, that doesn't work. My personal stand on this is that the directors push the contestants in a certain direction, and let them take it until they need another push. About what you were saying, wouldn't them having auditions prove that it's at least partially fake? I mean, that fact alone shows us that they're trying to find someone right for part that they want -- that they want it a specific way. And auditions would DEFINITELY happen if it was scripted. Knowing a bit about auditions, I'm pretty sure that they wouldn't have them just to see if people can talk on their feet. Why did you think that having scripts means not having auditions, by the way? Hmmm, you have a good point there. What I meant was that the producers would most likely contact agents for wannabe actors/actresses, and those people would audition. They wouldn't put the audtion info on the website for everyone to see. Just imagine how many people could let it slip that a show was scripted if they found out. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2004 21:36:11 GMT -5
I don't exactly think they're real, but I don't think they're scripted, either. My brother told me of an incident on some show where there are 2 people who are big suckers and think they're on a cool reality show when really everyone else is pretending and it's just the 2 suckers looking like....suckers. But one of the 2 found out people were acting early on, and they kicked her off and introduced a "plot twist" where they brought in a new person.
-Written (or something along those lines) at the end of the credits of the very popular prank show, WB Superstar USA.
At least they went right out and said it.
Reality TV is way overrated anyway...the only one i ever watched was part of the first survivor. Then it got lame.
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Post by william on Nov 29, 2004 12:50:11 GMT -5
I don't exactly think they're real, but I don't think they're scripted, either. My brother told me of an incident on some show where there are 2 people who are big suckers and think they're on a cool reality show when really everyone else is pretending and it's just the 2 suckers looking like....suckers. But one of the 2 found out people were acting early on, and they kicked her off and introduced a "plot twist" where they brought in a new person. -Written (or something along those lines) at the end of the credits of the very popular prank show, WB Superstar USA. At least they went right out and said it. Reality TV is way overrated anyway...the only one i ever watched was part of the first survivor. Then it got lame. The Joe Schmoe Show, I believe. |
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Post by Buddy on Nov 29, 2004 15:05:36 GMT -5
While many of these shows aren't "scripted", as in, they're completely written out beforehand, there is such a thing as "creative editing" that goes on all the time. And if you edit something enough - and do it in a clever-enough way, well, where do you draw the line?
They're able to change what people said, where they said it, how they said it, who they said it to, and in what context it was said. It goes on all the time. And really, its no big secret. Everyone knows.
For instance, if I said "I hate you!" to someone, say, in a playful way, they could turn around and use that line later on, making it look like I said it to someone else in an angry context. Its not hard.
They have auditions because the producers are looking for certain people - again, that's no secret, either. They're looking for people with out-going, unique personalities that they know will clash with that of others on the show.
The people are real, of course - just, more to the "unique" side of real. For instance, the average person probably wouldn't fight with other girls for a hunk (viva la "The Bachelor"). But, if they can find average people who will do such a thing, that makes it interesting (its far more interesting to see girls fighting with each other than getting along and being friends - even if those people don't nessecarily represent the average person).
And it makes it all more interesting to see "real people" doing this instead of payed actors - therefor, the auditions.
Blub, you must be about three years behind - its well-known that the shows do, in certain contexts, lie. And it IS one of the biggest lies on television (except that very few people believe it anymore).
They could easily use gas (although what Stal said really covered that). And they do eat food - fish and other various things they find (from what I've heard - I've never actually watched it). Plus, people can live many, many days without food, as long as they have water.
Ultimately, it just depends on the show. For instance, The Amazing Race - while I'm not sure of the amount of editing in there, I'm sure there's a lot less.
Then again, other shows are obviously over-scripted and over-edited because, well, people just don't act like that! Not on their own!
However, I couldn't tell you of any because, well, I don't watch very much reality TV.
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Post by KittyKadaveral on Dec 1, 2004 19:42:59 GMT -5
I do think, though, that Survivor is on a set. It's too...oh, how do I put this, un-realistic. The fire in the torches would have probably been blown out by the wind, and those people would probably die before long. I think Survivor is a hoax. Yeah, I don't buy into that whole Survivor nonsense myself. Chances are the cameras go out they all go eat and sleep on a big boat off shore someplace. You also can't tell me that those girls are truly roughing it. Come on, you don't shave your legs or pits for a week and you know how awful you look, imagine a month! UGH bleh!!! A survivor I'd LOVE to see is you plunk someone into DisneyWorld in the middle of either our most hottest time or in the middle of hurricanes threatening the coast. Give them five random kids of random personalities, bad, good, whiner, scared and spoiled. Give mom (or dad) limited spending funds per day and give them certain tasks to do without having the kids kill each other or the 'parent'. If you manage to succeed in a harmonious ending and actually have money left over then you win the show and the respect of all mankind out there. |
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Post by Stal on Dec 1, 2004 19:52:41 GMT -5
So for all those fake Survivor people, what about Michael Skupin and his traumatic fire experience? What about the people who have been injurred and sick on the show.
If you people would pay more attention to the shows, maybe watch more than a few episodes (and more than a season), and not be just down right skeptical you'd see that these things are real, just with some editing.
Heh. Besides, IF it was all fake and scripted, someone would've blown the whistle LONG ago, there would have been a huge to-do, and there's no way that they'd be as popular as they are.
You could always think about those things.
Or, more preferable, if you're going to make such assumptions and accusations against the shows, maybe having a huge educated opinion on it and having experience with the shows than just thoughts would help. It's what I ask for everyone who ever has opinions on anything, and something I believe each of you wish for as well as far as your own other convictions go.
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Post by KittyKadaveral on Dec 1, 2004 19:55:12 GMT -5
So for all those fake Survivor people, what about Michael Skupin and his traumatic fire experience? What about the people who have been injurred and sick on the show. If you people would pay more attention to the shows, maybe watch more than a few episodes (and more than a season), and not be just down right skeptical you'd see that these things are real, just with some editing. Heh. Besides, IF it was all fake and scripted, someone would've blown the whistle LONG ago, there would have been a huge to-do, and there's no way that they'd be as popular as they are. You could always think about those things. Or, more preferable, if you're going to make such assumptions and accusations against the shows, maybe having a huge educated opinion on it and having experience with the shows than just thoughts would help. It's what I ask for everyone who ever has opinions on anything, and something I believe each of you wish for as well as far as your own other convictions go. **hands you a bottle of Nyquil** Me thinks you are taking this topic a wee bit too seriously. |
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