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Post by Oily on Oct 7, 2004 15:26:57 GMT -5
I have such a bad feeling that the UK is going to become exactly the same. Mm, we're heading that way too. In America, someone threw a cup of coffee at their boyfriend in anger, then slipped on the coffee and hurt their back. They successfully sued the restaurant. I have a feeling the chance to countersue will reduce this compensation culture though. And perhaps the end of no win, no fees type lawyers. |
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Post by irishdragonlord on Oct 7, 2004 15:44:56 GMT -5
I think IDL's saying that it WAS his fault. Exactly. In the sentence you quoted, you quoted my words "He raped her, he pays for it."  Did you misread that or something? I'm a little confused... or was it the doesn't matter stuff? Sorry for the confusion. |
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Post by irishdragonlord on Oct 7, 2004 15:47:57 GMT -5
Never studied Measure for Measure, by Shakespeare, have you? It deals with this very topic, of justice versus "the circumstances". It's about this man, Claudio, and he has a girlfriend, I can't remember her name, so I'll call her Julia, alright? They're about to get married, but they can't hold their love. He goes and gets her pregnant before they marry. She doesn't mind, and doesn't seek to press any charges, but TECHINCALLY, this is against the law. It's an old, old law, but it exists. The punishment? Death. Now, in the time it was written, if the government thinks you did wrong, they punish you, even if the crime didn't have any charges pressed by the victim. Julia still loves him. Meanwhile, to complicate matters, you have these pimps that never get caught, but this good guy, who truly loves his girlfriend, will die because he broke a dumb law. To complicate matters even more, Claudio's sis, Isabella, is told that the man prosecuting Claudio will let him off the hook if she sleeps with him. He's commiting the very same crime, sex before marriage. Even more complicated, is that she's going to be a nun, and nuns don't give up their virginity, they'd rather die. In fact, she would, had that been the request. Should Claudio die? Just because he and his True Love couldn't wait? Neither minds, it's just a dumb law in the way. This is why I think that while you should take responsibility for your own actions, and justice should be just and equal, you do need a sense of mercy, and that's why every crime is looked at individually, and the same crime can have different sentences. At first, it's to determine guilt or innocence, but then the judge has to consider circumstances. Sure, it'd be ideal if we could punish everyone the same for the same crime, but we can't. We also can't have a heart so merciful that everyone's let off the hook. That's why judges are chosen so carefully. By the way, if you're interested in knowing how the play ends, Private Message me. I can direct you to a site where you can read it, or I can tell you if you're that lazy. This is why I'm not voting. You should take responsibility for your actions, but I don't think that's what you really meant in the poll. I believe it was more about if people should be punished equally for the same actions. Of course, that's my interpretation. Yes, each case SHOULD be handled individually though. I would like to point out though that, they KNEW this law was death. They should have weighed the facts and seen the consequence was too high. On the other hand - the consequence was just that, too high. So, I say that they SHOULD have waited, for they have no excuse - except perhaps being unable to contain themselves - but that law is too high. So I say they should be shown some mercy. Punished, certainly, for they did break the law, but not so extreme in the slightest. And I think, for now at least, I won't learn how it ends. Of course, this reverie may last 5 minutes, so...  |
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Post by Crystal on Oct 8, 2004 9:29:16 GMT -5
Actually, I do believe the actual version of that used to be a racist song. Here's the child's version: Eeny meany minee moe, catch a tiger by the toe. If he hollers, let him go. Eeny meany minee moe. I think "tiger" used to be something else. But still, there were these two girls who worked with my aunt. They worked the cash register, and were supposed to stock shelves when no one was in the store. Instead, they'd take a break and stand around. When the boss yelled at them, they called him racist and threatened to sue him for racism. Eeny meany minee moe, catch the tiger by his toe. If he howls, make him pay Fifty dollars every day My mother asked me to choose the very best man And you are it, you ----- I can't remember. Blarg. My friend uses that rhyme everytime she can't make up her mind in the objective question papers. The scary thing is that she's usually right. X.x By the time she gets to the end part she's going so fast I can't hear what she's saying. Heh, I was told a similar story about a guy who had just bought a new motorhome. He put it on cruise control and then went into the back to make himself a cup of coffee. Of course, it eventually drove itself off the road and crashed into a ditch. And he sued and actually got the manufacturers to give him a brand new motor home (yeah, let's put him back on the road quick!) and other damages. So now they make sure to say in their manuals that "cruise control" does not mean that your vehicle steers itself. XDDDDDDDDDDDD |
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Post by Buddy on Oct 8, 2004 9:47:18 GMT -5
Heh, I was told a similar story about a guy who had just bought a new motorhome. He put it on cruise control and then went into the back to make himself a cup of coffee. Of course, it eventually drove itself off the road and crashed into a ditch. And he sued and actually got the manufacturers to give him a brand new motor home (yeah, let's put him back on the road quick!) and other damages. So now they make sure to say in their manuals that "cruise control" does not mean that your vehicle steers itself. Lol! I heard about that one, too! It's kinda of depressing, in a way, when you think that this is what we've come to these days - we can't even take responsibility when we drive our own cars off the road! |
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Post by Tdyans at work on Oct 8, 2004 11:25:28 GMT -5
Lol! I heard about that one, too! It's kinda of depressing, in a way, when you think that this is what we've come to these days - we can't even take responsibility when we drive our own cars off the road! Oh, but that's just it, Buddy. He didn't drive it off the road-- the cruise control did! I mean, when we can't expect our vehicles to be super-intelligent, what can we expecct?  |
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Post by irishdragonlord on Oct 8, 2004 17:18:33 GMT -5
Oh, but that's just it, Buddy. He didn't drive it off the road-- the cruise control did! I mean, when we can't expect our vehicles to be super-intelligent, what can we expecct? Dur! *slaps forehead* XD Whaddya expect with 6 billion+ people in the world? |
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Post by Jessica Coconut on Oct 11, 2004 0:30:04 GMT -5
Yes, each case SHOULD be handled individually though. I would like to point out though that, they KNEW this law was death. They should have weighed the facts and seen the consequence was too high. On the other hand - the consequence was just that, too high. So, I say that they SHOULD have waited, for they have no excuse - except perhaps being unable to contain themselves - but that law is too high. So I say they should be shown some mercy. Punished, certainly, for they did break the law, but not so extreme in the slightest. And I think, for now at least, I won't learn how it ends. Of course, this reverie may last 5 minutes, so... Actually, they didn't. You see, I left out a part that I probably shouldn't. The duke that normally runs the city went away on a vacation supposedly. He was a rather lenient man, and didn't like these death penalties. He didn't pay attention to this law, and let it go for years and years. So, while away on vacation, he put 2 men in charge, on very strict, Angelo (the one that wanted to sleep with Claudios sister Isabella), and one very, very, lenient, Escalus. Seriously, nobody knew this law existed except these rule-happy freaks like Angelo, that know the book inside out and backwards. Most people, nearly everybody, wanted to let him off the hook. Except Angelo. Now, the duke was away? No, in fact he was not, he wanted to see just how different his city could be if it was run differently, if it would be better that way. Also, being a mischievious fellow, incase everything went wrong changing his ways, he wouldn't be blamed, it'd be Angelo and Escalus's fault. He's acting through them almost. |
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Post by irishdragonlord on Oct 12, 2004 18:17:52 GMT -5
Actually, they didn't. You see, I left out a part that I probably shouldn't. The duke that normally runs the city went away on a vacation supposedly. He was a rather lenient man, and didn't like these death penalties. He didn't pay attention to this law, and let it go for years and years. So, while away on vacation, he put 2 men in charge, on very strict, Angelo (the one that wanted to sleep with Claudios sister Isabella), and one very, very, lenient, Escalus. Seriously, nobody knew this law existed except these rule-happy freaks like Angelo, that know the book inside out and backwards. Most people, nearly everybody, wanted to let him off the hook. Except Angelo. Now, the duke was away? No, in fact he was not, he wanted to see just how different his city could be if it was run differently, if it would be better that way. Also, being a mischievious fellow, incase everything went wrong changing his ways, he wouldn't be blamed, it'd be Angelo and Escalus's fault. He's acting through them almost. Oh. Well, Angelo's a rat, and the accused should point that out, and threaten to take him down with them. And be shown lenience if that doesn't work. That's very interesting though... who do I hate, the duke or Angelo? |
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Post by Rider on Oct 13, 2004 15:48:32 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]Angelo, methinks.  Anyone else relating this with the incident in Australia? I mean, if your kids gamble, blame yourselves, not Neopets. *shrug*[/glow] |
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Post by Jessica Coconut on Oct 16, 2004 2:02:50 GMT -5
Oh. Well, Angelo's a rat, and the accused should point that out, and threaten to take him down with them. And be shown lenience if that doesn't work. That's very interesting though... who do I hate, the duke or Angelo? Hmm. The ending is improtant in determining that. The way I see it is that while Angelo is a coldhearted little rat, devious, conniving, and a sick, twisted hypocrit, the Duke did try to fix his mistakes. He saw that he shouldn't have been so lenient, but can you blame him for not wanting to take the blame? I wouldn't want to. It was also to test Escalus and Angelo, because the Duke is getting on in years, and will have to pass on power soon. If you didn't figure out the hypocrit part yet, or overlooked it, you see, he's committing the very crime he's condemning Claudio for. (sex before marriage) Also, he's abusing his power, by saying he'll let Claudio off the hook if Isabella sleeps with him. Now, he doesn't like to think that he lusts for her, but he does. Something about her complete purity, the charm of a women, and sheer beauty - she's becoming a nun. The duke does come back and try to mend whatever's left of this mess, and he does his best. He apologizes to Isabella for all this, and is forgiven. Like I said, the ending is quite important if you're trying to judge character, and no, I didn't spoil the most important part. You have to figure out Isabella's desicion. ... Hmm. There's probably another character I should mention. I keep overlooking these things... There's a girl that Angelo was already supposed to wed. Her name is Marissa. (Mar... something. I can't remember too well.) Now, Angelo, being a greedy little wretch dumped her when her dowry sank in her brother's ship with him. She loves him dearly, but he was really just in it for the money. The marriage was done, but the dowry was never passed, and they never slept together. She's important for the ending to make sense. I highly suggest you read it - you can find it on the net, PM me, or look it up in your library. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2004 12:09:57 GMT -5
I took a sip of my friend's coffee a couple of days ago and burned my tongue... The question: Should I sue Starbucks for making the coffee too hot and not having a warning on the cup, or my friend for not telling me the coffee would be hot before I had some? Touch decision. It's amazing how ridiculously dependent this world is becoming. Rather than eating well in the first place, people would rather eat terribly and then come up with excuses for why they're fat, and try to sue someone for it. |
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Post by Gail on Oct 22, 2004 8:57:21 GMT -5
It seems that so many people think suing and blaming is the answer- it's probably partially human nature. But some things have gotten out of hand to the point of being actually funny
XD On some sparklers (those little fire things) it said Caution: Flammable... I mean I think this is sad (and funny) What's next? do not attempt so submerge or consume your PC? XD
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Post by jeska on Oct 23, 2004 21:26:17 GMT -5
People would jump a the chance to sue for medical malpratice in Pennsylvania, and get grossly overcompensated in court. Now they're wondering where all the doctors went! (Couldn't afford malpractice insurance, left the state) It's things like this that just make me shake my head and wonder... Same here in Florida. Example: None of the local OBGYNs can afford malpractice insurance anymore. They take a risk everytime they practice, because they can no longer afford insurance. If my mom (the only female OBGYN in the county) was paying it, then she would be paying 60 cents out of every dollar she makes just for insurance. Simply because people will sue over anything nowadays. Sick, really. |
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Post by irishdragonlord on Oct 25, 2004 16:57:53 GMT -5
Same here in Florida. Example: None of the local OBGYNs can afford malpractice insurance anymore. They take a risk everytime they practice, because they can no longer afford insurance. If my mom (the only female OBGYN in the county) was paying it, then she would be paying 60 cents out of every dollar she makes just for insurance. Simply because people will sue over anything nowadays. Sick, really. What exactly is an OBGYN? (yes, I am political letter-term-things illiterate... I just found out what the GOP stood for and I may still be wrong XD ) |
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Did you misread that or something? I'm a little confused... or was it the doesn't matter stuff?
