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Post by irishdragonlord on Oct 6, 2004 16:45:25 GMT -5
Is there a right and wrong? Should people be held responsible for what they did, regardless of background?
I say YES.
I say DONT sue McDonald's cuz your fat, go to a gym and work your lazy butt off! Do they HONESTLY think suing a fast food chain will make them lose weight? No! They'll go to Burger King or eat HotPockets!
As I recently heard in a very funny/serious sketch by some comedian whose name I WILL learn, Society today thinks that we can't change the INTERNAL so by changing the EXTERNAL everything will be ok! In my view, a very dangerous illusion.
And as I read in a magazine - it doesn't MATTER the rapist was from a troubled home. It doesn't MATTER she had a really tight, short skirt. It doesn't MATTER she was wicked freakin' hot. It. Doesn't. Matter. He raped her, he pays for it.
To paraphrase more from the sketch: Giving Jimmy straps on his shoes won't solve his knot-tying problem. Puttin marshmallows all over the playground won't help his self esteem because he won't skin his knee when he falls.
Becuase Jimmy still falls, and he still can't tie shoes.
Or you can teach Jimmy to tie his shoes, and help him learn, and give him the confidence to go across the monkeybars even after he skinned his knee and needed a band-aid.
And yes, Dunkin Donuts customers, the coffee is hot, and the ice latte is cold.
Your call?
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Post by TheEaterofWorlds on Oct 6, 2004 16:55:00 GMT -5
I say DONT sue McDonald's cuz your fat, go to a gym and work your lazy butt off! Do they HONESTLY think suing a fast food chain will make them lose weight? No! They'll go to Burger King or eat HotPockets! Oh, silly IDL! Suing McDonalds will give them money. That's what this is really about. Social responsiblity is a front which they use to try and get rich without working. It's very simple. They eat tons of greasy foods, and are very fat. They could do something about it, but they'd rather just complain. They want money to, and instead of working for it (Why would they do such a think when they won't even work to better themselves physically?) they can sue! America, home of frivolous lawsuits! They won't let me have two glasses of Kool-Aid in jail, I think I'll sue! I spilled piping hot coffee on my nether regions, I think I'll sacrifice all dignity I have left and make a quick buck.  People would jump a the chance to sue for medical malpratice in Pennsylvania, and get grossly overcompensated in court. Now they're wondering where all the doctors went! (Couldn't afford malpractice insurance, left the state) It's things like this that just make me shake my head and wonder... |
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Post by irishdragonlord on Oct 6, 2004 16:57:49 GMT -5
Oh, silly IDL! Suing McDonalds will give them money. That's what this is really about. Social responsiblity is a front which they use to try and get rich without working. It's very simple. They eat tons of greasy foods, and are very fat. They could do something about it, but they'd rather just complain. They want money to, and instead of working for it (Why would they do such a think when they won't even work to better themselves physically?) they can sue! America, home of frivolous lawsuits! They won't let me have two glasses of Kool-Aid in jail, I think I'll sue! I spilled piping hot coffee on my nether regions, I think I'll sacrifice all dignity I have left and make a quick buck. People would jump a the chance to sue for medical malpratice in Pennsylvania, and get grossly overcompensated in court. Now they're wondering where all the doctors went! (Couldn't afford malpractice insurance, left the state) It's things like this that just make me shake my head and wonder... *slaps head* Ah yes, the all-encompassing greed. My mistake! |
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Post by aakfish on Oct 6, 2004 16:59:29 GMT -5
I have such a bad feeling that the UK is going to become exactly the same.
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Post by irishdragonlord on Oct 6, 2004 17:03:10 GMT -5
I have such a bad feeling that the UK is going to become exactly the same. Any country with enough people will become exactly the same.  |
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Post by Rider on Oct 6, 2004 19:47:09 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]Any country with enough dumb people. But such is life. I say yes. Justice should be just. The greedy should not be rewarded. But these are ideals. *sigh*[/glow] |
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Post by Jessica Coconut on Oct 6, 2004 21:07:01 GMT -5
Never studied Measure for Measure, by Shakespeare, have you?
It deals with this very topic, of justice versus "the circumstances".
It's about this man, Claudio, and he has a girlfriend, I can't remember her name, so I'll call her Julia, alright? They're about to get married, but they can't hold their love. He goes and gets her pregnant before they marry. She doesn't mind, and doesn't seek to press any charges, but TECHINCALLY, this is against the law. It's an old, old law, but it exists. The punishment? Death. Now, in the time it was written, if the government thinks you did wrong, they punish you, even if the crime didn't have any charges pressed by the victim. Julia still loves him. Meanwhile, to complicate matters, you have these pimps that never get caught, but this good guy, who truly loves his girlfriend, will die because he broke a dumb law. To complicate matters even more, Claudio's sis, Isabella, is told that the man prosecuting Claudio will let him off the hook if she sleeps with him. He's commiting the very same crime, sex before marriage. Even more complicated, is that she's going to be a nun, and nuns don't give up their virginity, they'd rather die. In fact, she would, had that been the request.
Should Claudio die? Just because he and his True Love couldn't wait? Neither minds, it's just a dumb law in the way.
This is why I think that while you should take responsibility for your own actions, and justice should be just and equal, you do need a sense of mercy, and that's why every crime is looked at individually, and the same crime can have different sentences. At first, it's to determine guilt or innocence, but then the judge has to consider circumstances. Sure, it'd be ideal if we could punish everyone the same for the same crime, but we can't. We also can't have a heart so merciful that everyone's let off the hook. That's why judges are chosen so carefully.
By the way, if you're interested in knowing how the play ends, Private Message me. I can direct you to a site where you can read it, or I can tell you if you're that lazy.
This is why I'm not voting. You should take responsibility for your actions, but I don't think that's what you really meant in the poll. I believe it was more about if people should be punished equally for the same actions. Of course, that's my interpretation.
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Post by Ducky being lazy on Oct 6, 2004 21:12:07 GMT -5
THIS really made me mad. Are you saying that although she said no and he made the choice to rape her, it's not his fault?
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Post by ncwidt5895 on Oct 6, 2004 21:33:13 GMT -5
THIS really made me mad. Are you saying that although she said no and he made the choice to rape her, it's not his fault? I think IDL's saying that it WAS his fault. |
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Post by Bacon on Oct 6, 2004 22:57:21 GMT -5
People would jump a the chance to sue for medical malpratice in Pennsylvania, and get grossly overcompensated in court. Now they're wondering where all the doctors went! Do you mind if I quote that? |
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Post by Crystal on Oct 7, 2004 3:19:24 GMT -5
XDDD I read once about this couple who were having sex in the backseat of the guy's car while going along the highway 100 miles per hour. They crashed, sued the car company for not putting it in the manual, and actually WON.
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Post by theunorthodox on Oct 7, 2004 3:46:32 GMT -5
I'm sick of people trying to leech money out of idiotic lawsuits. You know a couple of black girls are trying to sue an airline company because the stewardess sang a 'racist song'?...It was "Eeny Meany Minee moe, pick a seat and now lets go!" ...e.e****
Luckily, you can countersue for frivilous lawsuits. ^^ And lawyer bills are starting to deter people from even trying.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2004 14:43:40 GMT -5
I'm sick of people trying to leech money out of idiotic lawsuits. You know a couple of black girls are trying to sue an airline company because the stewardess sang a 'racist song'?...It was "Eeny Meany Minee moe, pick a seat and now lets go!" ...e.e**** Actually, I do believe the actual version of that used to be a racist song. Here's the child's version: Eeny meany minee moe, catch a tiger by the toe. If he hollers, let him go. Eeny meany minee moe. I think "tiger" used to be something else. But still, there were these two girls who worked with my aunt. They worked the cash register, and were supposed to stock shelves when no one was in the store. Instead, they'd take a break and stand around. When the boss yelled at them, they called him racist and threatened to sue him for racism. |
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Post by aakfish on Oct 7, 2004 14:49:45 GMT -5
I'm sick of people trying to leech money out of idiotic lawsuits. You know a couple of black girls are trying to sue an airline company because the stewardess sang a 'racist song'?...It was "Eeny Meany Minee moe, pick a seat and now lets go!" ...e.e**** Luckily, you can countersue for frivilous lawsuits. ^^ And lawyer bills are starting to deter people from even trying. The Eeny Meany Minee Moe song was a big issue over here. A famous ice-cream company used it in an advertising campaign but the campaign was withdrawn because of it's racist conatations. |
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Post by Tdyans at work on Oct 7, 2004 15:03:26 GMT -5
XDDD I read once about this couple who were having sex in the backseat of the guy's car while going along the highway 100 miles per hour. They crashed, sued the car company for not putting it in the manual, and actually WON. Heh, I was told a similar story about a guy who had just bought a new motorhome. He put it on cruise control and then went into the back to make himself a cup of coffee. Of course, it eventually drove itself off the road and crashed into a ditch. And he sued and actually got the manufacturers to give him a brand new motor home (yeah, let's put him back on the road quick!) and other damages. So now they make sure to say in their manuals that "cruise control" does not mean that your vehicle steers itself. |
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People would jump a the chance to sue for medical malpratice in Pennsylvania, and get grossly overcompensated in court. Now they're wondering where all the doctors went! (Couldn't afford malpractice insurance, left the state) 
