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Post by neonick on Sept 15, 2004 16:58:58 GMT -5
Hounds aren't like dogs. They aren't pets. They can't be adopted, all they can do is hunt foxes. And by lost jobs, I wasn't refering to hunters, for them it's just a sport, but to the blacksmiths, who put the shoes on the horses. Yes, not all horses are on the hunt, but an example given was that a if a smith shoed 100 horses, 90 might be on the hunt, and 10 might not. If you're only shoeing 10, then you won't be paid enough, and it won't be worth your while. Those are some good points. I won't be changing my view, but I will be thinking it in broader terms. |
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Post by Oily on Sept 16, 2004 14:30:35 GMT -5
Ah, I talked over this today with two friends and three teachers ^^ A long debate in England. To clarify, foxes are wild and I believe they are hunted through the countryside, then shot before the hounds rip them apart. Points (generally) for - Foxes kill not just for food. If they get into a chicken run, they will decimate the entire population of chickens. The farmer's livelihood is lost. - Most people against it are city folk who don't know how the countryside works etc etc. - Foxes that are not hunted are still killed. They are shot, or snared, or poisoned. Shooting is a quick death; but it takes a fox many, many days to die of the other two methods. - Many thousands of hounds will have to be put down if fox hunting is banned - they cannot be rehomed. The RSPCA has offered to help put them down, despite supporting the fox hunting ban  Ironic, really. - Many people will lose their jobs. Points against - Fox hunting kills comparatively few foxes, and is relatively ineffective. - Fox hunting makes sport of killing an animal. - The fox is killed. I think I'm more pro. In fact, I may be joining the march around March with a few friends  Sure, fox hunting is cruel. But the foxes will still be killed either way, perhaps in even worse ways. At least, if it's not banned, hounds and horses still live, people still have jobs etc etc. |
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Post by aakfish on Sept 16, 2004 15:04:32 GMT -5
I would have loved to have been at the march in London. Not as one of the protestors but as one of the police officers. How fun to smash the face of some countryside git with a truncheon.
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Post by Tdyans at work on Sept 16, 2004 15:06:23 GMT -5
I would have loved to have been at the march in London. Not as one of the protestors but as one of the police officers. How fun to smash the face of some countryside git with a truncheon. I don't think that was really necessary, do you? |
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Post by aakfish on Sept 16, 2004 15:07:53 GMT -5
I don't think that was really necessary, do you? In a word, yes. |
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Post by Tdyans at work on Sept 16, 2004 15:17:51 GMT -5
Well, let's put it this way then: it's not welcome. This is a place for discussing controversial issues in a civil manner, NOT for attacking people who you don't agree with and wishing harm on them. So if you can't debate without saying things like that, then please just refrain from posting on this board altogether.
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Post by aakfish on Sept 16, 2004 15:18:49 GMT -5
Well, let's put it this way then: it's not welcome. This is a place for discussing controversial issues in a civil manner, NOT for attacking people who you don't agree with and wishing harm on them. So if you can't debate without saying things like that, then please just refrain from posting on this board altogether. bite me. |
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Post by Kiddo on Sept 16, 2004 15:26:44 GMT -5
Aak - you are totally out of line here. I'm guessing this is something you feel strongly about - well, if that's the case then you need to remove yourself from this arguement.
If you are uncapable of remaining civil than you shouldn't be arguing here.
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Post by aakfish on Sept 16, 2004 15:29:26 GMT -5
All I said was I wouldn't mind doing the police job of smashing the face in of the protesters. Then they would feel about 1/100 of the pain the fox goes through.
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Post by Tdyans at work on Sept 16, 2004 15:32:28 GMT -5
All I said was I wouldn't mind doing the police job of smashing the face in of the protesters. Then they would feel about 1/100 of the pain the fox goes through. Not that it really matters either way, but "wouldn't mind" and "would have loved" are two pretty different things. And if you don't care about treating others respectfully or following the rules, then at least care about the fact that your method of "arguing" is only hurting your case here. No one's going to listen to any serious points that you might have if they're scattered in amongst behavior like that. |
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Post by Kiddo on Sept 16, 2004 15:34:38 GMT -5
All I said was I wouldn't mind doing the police job of smashing the face in of the protesters. Then they would feel about 1/100 of the pain the fox goes through. Which is extremely rude. It's a personal attack on a person - it would be no different than me walking up to my professor and saying, "Hey, I think because you support the spider god you should be shoved off a cliff." I'd probably fail the class. That and no one will ever respect such an arguement. If you use logic and reason I'd be inclined to side with you. However, now that I've seen both sides - including yours - I'd side with the pro-fox hunting group. When I came into this thread I was nuetral. See? Convince, don't offend people. |
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Post by aakfish on Sept 16, 2004 15:35:07 GMT -5
They mean the same thing where I come from. It's local dialect.
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Post by aakfish on Sept 16, 2004 15:36:52 GMT -5
Which is extremely rude. It's a personal attack on a person - it would be no different than me walking up to my professor and saying, "Hey, I think because you support the spider god you should be shoved off a cliff." I'd probably fail the class. That and no one will ever respect such an arguement. If you use logic and reason I'd be inclined to side with you. However, now that I've seen both sides - including yours - I'd side with the pro-fox hunting group. When I came into this thread I was nuetral. See? Convince, don't offend people. I wasn't trying to convince anyone to support a ban on fox hunting. That's pretty sad to side with the pro-fox hunters because I am being an idiot. |
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Post by Kiddo on Sept 16, 2004 15:41:43 GMT -5
I wasn't trying to convince anyone to support a ban on fox hunting. That's pretty sad to side with the pro-fox hunters because I am being an idiot. Well, since you admit that you're being an idiot, could you please refrain from doing so now? And I'm siding with pro-fox huting because Oily made some good points. |
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Post by neonick on Sept 16, 2004 15:45:04 GMT -5
Well, since you admit that you're being an idiot, could you please refrain from doing so now? And I'm siding with pro-fox huting because Oily made some good points. Oily's points were very good, I'll admit that... I guess I'm gonna have to side with the pro-hunters now.. grumblegrumblegrumble... I still don't like the idea of foxes being torn apart, but if it's a vital part of country life, then yes, it shouldn't be banned. |
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Ironic, really.
