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Post by Stal on Nov 16, 2011 23:00:49 GMT -5
This kind of stuff has been going around for years. I remember reading about a similar-sounding treaty that the US and EU were in secret negotiations with that would accomplish pretty much the same things... and I was reading about that last year on BoingBoing.
Politicians are inept at the internet and what it means to protect intellectual property. The old laws don't work in a system where scarcity doesn't really exist. It's hard to dictate.
And I've heard Net Neutrality argued about since the days where I was on AOL back in the early 2000s.
I'm seriously not very worried about what will happen, though. This is all going to have to come to a head eventually.
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Post by Zylaa on Nov 16, 2011 23:15:22 GMT -5
Pardon as I give a small rant... I saw something similar to this months ago and shared news about it on Facebook. How come no one said anything then?!Seriously though. I'd have thought at least one my NTWF Facebook-friends would have said something. Anything! I'm pretty sure I'm not friends with you on Facebook. D: If I am, well, things can get pretty easily overlooked on news feeds. I only realized this today because a couple of my friends posted on it, and I had the requisite amount of free time. XD I agree that spreading the word through whatever social networks you're on is a good idea. *nods* It's worth a shot to try and get Congress to understand that freedom of the internet is important, even if they're not well-versed in it. XD
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Post by Sq on Nov 16, 2011 23:18:12 GMT -5
Yeah, I've known about this for a while now. scary...
i sent a letter earlier today... doin' my part and making a difference! woooo XD
even though it probably won't pass, it still could, and that's messed-up. :/
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Post by Draco on Nov 16, 2011 23:44:31 GMT -5
Holy mackerel, that's draconian and I'm pretty sure that's not going to be fair. I'm Canadian, but this is really unnerving. When I rule *brick'd* --- Anyways, I agree with Stal. I've heard about things like this happening before and never passing or just disappearing without much of a word.
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Post by Huntress on Nov 17, 2011 9:21:17 GMT -5
This kind of stuff has been going around for years. I remember reading about a similar-sounding treaty that the US and EU were in secret negotiations with that would accomplish pretty much the same things... and I was reading about that last year on BoingBoing. Hm, if anything, I'd expect the EU to be stricter. It's not allowed here to make working copies of a CD you legally own (for the car or travels or whatnot) which is to my knowledge still allowed in the US. No word of all this censorship getting debated here, however. I can't even imagine how they'd pull off and enforce it. For starters, the blogosphere would collapse, dragging a lot of free marketing down with it. If this story has passed me anywhere in the past years, I probably wrote that off as a hoax and didn't pay any closer attention.
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Post by Komori on Nov 17, 2011 10:10:27 GMT -5
Even if it doesn't pass, hopefully creating all this hullabaloo from the public will make Congress pause before introducing another similar bill in the future. Less likely it'll be able to fly under the radar without people noticing.
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Post by Celestial on Nov 17, 2011 10:10:57 GMT -5
Gorram, that is incredibly harsh, although I do wonder how they would enforce something like that and how Congress can expect this to actually go unprotested. As far as I know, a lot of websites are used to host and post copyrighted content, fairly or unfairly. If they are forced to shut down, I assume a lot of revenue will be lost and people such as moderations and webmasters will be out of a job.
I'm not a US Citizen but I'm still a bit worried, partly because of what this will mean and partly because I fear that Congress is overstepping themselves with this. Come on, people. There are better things to spend your time and money on than trying to herd lolcats. xD
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Post by Fang of the Dead on Nov 17, 2011 11:08:44 GMT -5
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Post by Crystal on Nov 17, 2011 13:45:14 GMT -5
I'm indifferent for the most part, I think. xD I skimmed the article, and watched the video, and my programmer instincts balked a bit when the guy in the video started talking about the "end of the Internet". I could have bought the China firewall thing, he should've stuck to that.
Personally, I view Internet piracy as something like eating meat. xD Would the world be generally better off if it didn't happen? Yeah... maybe. Are people going to eat it regardless? Mmmhmm. Should Congress have better things to do than pass bills about it? Yeah, probably.
I find that piracy reflects the general state-of-pocket of the individual doing it. When I lived in Malaysia, where the exchange rate was 1:3+shipping, piracy was a prevalent state of mind (like jaywalking.) Legal copies? What were those?
When I was in the States for college, I downloaded MP3s, books, and etc, but I bought games and software legally, because they were rare, quality-dependant purchases and I could now afford them. And now that I'm working, I only download the occasional pirated MP3 or PDF, and I buy at least half of what I download (especially with the advent of buy-online MP3s, for those of us iTunes-less people.) I hardly know anyone who really pirates/downloads stuff anymore.
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TL;DR: 1) People who can afford stuff, buy stuff. And people do like to be legal about it, despite the common perception. Give a man a free illegal thing and a legal dollar thing, and half the time he'll take the legal dollar thing, because he wants to do the 'right' thing. 2) Where there is a stifling government bill, there will also be lots of ferocious programmers making up clever ways to get around it. 3) Work with technology, not fight it. Technology usually wins. 4) This bill is silly.
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Post by Dju on Nov 17, 2011 14:24:12 GMT -5
I studied a bit of copyright stuff some weeks ago, it was already awful protected. But let me see if I got this straight, so fan sites and stuff like that can be put down anytime? Like in youtube where we often receive messages like "your video was blocked in the following countries"?
This will be a nightmare. The video of my cat playing with flowers got block in Denmark, I mean...whut?
What about all the freedom about fan blogs, fan art, fan clubs...? Who was the jerk who had this idea? For the first time people in general have power thanks to internet, and now they are censoring it? What about all that "free country" thing? O___O
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Post by Abigail on Nov 17, 2011 18:35:59 GMT -5
When I first read about it yesterday on Tumblr, I thought it was a joke. Then I read that Firefox was against it, and all my Internet friends where talking about it too.... :U I was so scared about it when it dawned on me that it was real. You guys should have seen me pacing back and forth. XD I'm still on the fence on wondering whether this will pass or not. I heard somewhere that a lot of congress likes the idea.
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Post by Gav on Nov 18, 2011 0:53:51 GMT -5
When I read this, I was wondering, "does this have anything to do with WikiLeaks?" xD
I'd say there's a level of stupidity people wouldn't tolerate, but then again, I've been surprised before...
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Post by PFA on Nov 24, 2011 12:31:41 GMT -5
Just got this email from the Stop Censorship website, thought I should pass it along:
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Post by Dju on Nov 24, 2011 14:28:09 GMT -5
I'm not a US resident, but I signed anyways. We are all people and we all have the right to use internet as we want, no ordinary users should be sent to jail for no good reason! This Bill can't go on. :/ FREEEDOM.
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Post by Celestial on Nov 24, 2011 14:52:44 GMT -5
A jobs bill? Seriously? Congress, you do realise how many jobs the internet creates and how much free enterprise it encourages? As well as this, this bill would affect the whole world. No one government should dictate what happens all over the world on such a scale.
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