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Post by Ikkin on Apr 4, 2007 14:15:54 GMT -5
Dear forumers, Due to obscure Proboards regulations that have recently been brought to our attention, the NTWF is no longer able to be used for posting any story with a rating higher than PG-13. This rule had generally been followed in the past, with the sole exception of graphic violence; so, while this will not affect most of you, such graphic violence will no longer be permitted on the forum. This must done for the protection of the forum, as Proboards does not allow any material unsuitable for a thirteen-year old to be posted (or even linked to) on its servers. As for where the line is drawn - use common sense. In general, the less graphic the violence you use is, the better. If you can justify why your story needs the violence, you might have a little more leeway, but there's still a line that shouldn't be crossed. Stories with a T-rated level of violence should be marked as such, with the rating in the title and the violence warning in the first post. A good rule of thumb might be "no violence for violence's sake, no graphic for graphic's sake." It might be best if stories that are already here that cross the line were moved to a different site, to make sure that the entire forum is within Proboards' rules. If you have any questions about what this change entails, feel free to ask them on this thread. Sorry again for the inconvenience; thank you, and have a nice day, The Admins and Mods of the NTWF
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2007 14:45:38 GMT -5
What makes violence too graphic, or is violence alone the problem? Would, for example, describing sword fights vividly but not mentioning blood change how graphic it is considered, or must one simply not include vivid sword fights at all?
As well, if such stories were moved, where would they be put?
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Post by Ikkin on Apr 4, 2007 15:02:21 GMT -5
What makes violence too graphic, or is violence alone the problem? Would, for example, describing sword fights vividly but not mentioning blood change how graphic it is considered, or must one simply not include vivid sword fights at all? As well, if such stories were moved, where would they be put? If describing vivid swordfights without blood was a problem, it would kill Guild Wars entirely. XD But, no - it's not what's done that's the problem; it's how it's written - the amount of blood, other bodily fluids, and description of the act of violence itself determines how graphic it's considered. Think about it this way - if Crystal says "*castrates so and so*" on the Bloids, it's not really a problem... but if she described it in minute detail... well, I think you can see why that would be problematic. The stories will eventually be put in Administrative Review, so it would be best if those who wrote them saved them somewhere off-site if they wanted to continue to access them.
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Post by Fj0rd on Apr 4, 2007 15:05:27 GMT -5
As for where people can put stories off-site, there's always fictionpress.com for original stories and fanfiction.net for fanfics, and I think those let you submit stories over PG-13, though I'm not certain. Other than that, you can always get a free website at a place like Freewebs or Geocities and host them there.
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Post by aerisangel01 on Apr 4, 2007 15:16:59 GMT -5
It would be good if you told us WHICH story is considered at fault. What's wrong for me may not mean the same thing for you, so if I don't save my story because I think it's fine but you remove it....
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Post by Goosh on Apr 4, 2007 15:18:58 GMT -5
What makes violence too graphic, or is violence alone the problem? Would, for example, describing sword fights vividly but not mentioning blood change how graphic it is considered, or must one simply not include vivid sword fights at all? As well, if such stories were moved, where would they be put? Neopian Times Fighter's Forum. *nodnod* *pun'd* So, I suppose it's a matter of necessity, and it depends on detail sometimes.
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Post by Ikkin on Apr 4, 2007 15:22:51 GMT -5
It would be good if you told us WHICH story is considered at fault. What's wrong for me may not mean the same thing for you, so if I don't save my story because I think it's fine but you remove it.... Er, we don't really want to point out anyone in particular. But I will say that the fact that your story is T is a good indicator that it's safe. Plus, they're not going to get deleted, simply sent to Admin Review. If someone's story is removed before they can save it, they can request an email copy of it. We don't want to ruin anyone's hard work, after all. ^_^
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Post by PFA on Apr 4, 2007 16:43:31 GMT -5
*thinks about her own story (which is not dead! Just... erm... resting >_>)* Do you think my story's violent enough to be considered T? I'm thinking it might be but I don't really know.
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Post by Kals Spirit Avatar on Apr 5, 2007 12:42:05 GMT -5
If someone was to PHP code a whole forum from scratch, all by themselves, and had their own ports and servers to host it, as well as the money to fund it, would it be at ALL POSSIBLE to move the NTWF there?
I guess we would have to find a way to move all of the history here to there...
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Post by Rider on Apr 5, 2007 13:16:00 GMT -5
If someone was to PHP code a whole forum from scratch, all by themselves, and had their own ports and servers to host it, as well as the money to fund it, would it be at ALL POSSIBLE to move the NTWF there? I guess we would have to find a way to move all of the history here to there... [glow=red,2,300]Hmm, we probably should've cracked down on this anyway. Same problem as the Tabloids, really. We are, above all, a Neopets forum. We do have young members here. Besides, then we wouldn't get a chance to complain about Proboards being morons! [/glow]
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Post by Ikkin on Apr 5, 2007 13:22:15 GMT -5
*thinks about her own story (which is not dead! Just... erm... resting >_>)* Do you think my story's violent enough to be considered T? I'm thinking it might be but I don't really know. Just to forestall such questions - If we think your story needs a T warning, we'll tell you. Use your best judgement when rating your own stories, of course, but if it's already rated and no one has asked you to change it, it's probably okay.
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Post by Crystal on Apr 5, 2007 13:31:29 GMT -5
If you're worried about your story being too over the limit, tone it down until you feel it's within reason.
If you're not sure whether a rating is necessary or not, it's always safer to add a rating.. after all, it only costs you a few extra letters. ^__^
As mods, we really can't read everyone's stories to check whether you're toeing the line or not - it's not practically feasible, and we really don't want to be breathing down your necks. So we're depending on your own good taste and reason here. As forumers, as teens, as responsible people, do you feel a twinge of guilt about this part of your story or that part of your story? Then tone it down until you yourself feel that it's within reason; something that if your mom looked at or your little sister looked at, you wouldn't feel too embarassed about.
That's about it really.
(...Augh, I'm getting bitten by this mosquito which lives under my computer table.
It dies in graphic detail now. >(
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Post by PFA on Apr 5, 2007 14:38:58 GMT -5
Ah, thanks guys (erm, gals...). I was just thinking, better safe than sorry. *adds a warning, just to be safe*
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Post by Rider on Apr 5, 2007 14:44:47 GMT -5
As forumers, as teens, as responsible people, [glow=red,2,300]Paradox... senses... tingling... XD PFA - Okies. A warning won't stop most people from reading your story anyway. ^_^[/glow]
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Post by Goosh on Apr 5, 2007 15:08:13 GMT -5
As forumers, as teens, as responsible people, [glow=red,2,300]Paradox... senses... tingling... XD PFA - Okies. A warning won't stop most people from reading your story anyway. ^_^[/glow] If anything, it'll attract more attention: "Rated T? Whatever for? I must read it! *le gaspeth*"
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