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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2018 20:01:47 GMT -5
Duly noted, thanks guys
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Post by Breakingchains on Apr 5, 2018 12:38:13 GMT -5
Kaia's meter ran out. She has disappeared from the forgotten graveyard screen and you can now click behind where she was standing to reach an area called "the clearing." I can't currently find anything past that screen, it seems empty for now.
There's also an additional battle achievement up called "Fight or Flight", not sure when that went up. Based on the wording it sounds like it's for participating in the fight at all (win or lose), but it's grayed out for me right now.
EDIT: Achievement is up!  OK, that is easily my favorite of the new avatars this plot. Non-spoilery version: if you were gonna fight Kaia, do it now--I think the clock's ticking. |
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Post by Ian Wolf-Park on Apr 5, 2018 13:52:36 GMT -5
Kaia's meter ran out. She has disappeared from the forgotten graveyard screen and you can now click behind where she was standing to reach an area called "the clearing." I can't currently find anything past that screen, it seems empty for now.
There's also an additional battle achievement up called "Fight or Flight", not sure when that went up. Based on the wording it sounds like it's for participating in the fight at all (win or lose), but it's grayed out for me right now.
EDIT: Achievement is up! OK, that is easily my favorite of the new avatars this plot. Non-spoilery version: if you were gonna fight Kaia, do it now--I think the clock's ticking. Even though it was on easy and for 1 battle, I got the avatar. However, there have been reports of people not receiving the avatar after Kaia/The Darkest Faerie disappeared from the Forgotten Graveyard |
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Post by charming thievery on Apr 5, 2018 14:26:00 GMT -5
EDIT: Achievement is up! OK, that is easily my favorite of the new avatars this plot. Ooh, I have to agree! You know, their animations for this plot have been really nice! ^^ |
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Post by Carolyn on Apr 5, 2018 15:05:12 GMT -5
Oh wow! I must say, I really like how this avvy looks. It's pretty clean animation, and it has personality. Well done, TNT folks! |
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Post by Duke Pikachu on Apr 6, 2018 23:16:21 GMT -5
... What is with the plot update on the New Features?
1. The DarkEST Faerie. It's The Darkest Faerie (with a capitalized "The" too). That's her name (well, title, but it's essentially her name now as she got her name taken away as punishment for something she did before meeting with Altador).
EDIT: Could have sworn that, in her chapter of the Book of Ages, Altador asked for her name and she only responded back "The Darkest Faerie", guess I must have imagined it.
2. So Kaia was The Darkest Faerie all along? If so, you got a lot more explaining to do than that! What was up with that Neopedia article? How long had she been Kaia? Did no Faerie do a background check on her when Fyora starting taking interest in her? What was her goal that she had to keep up the facade for this long? And why reveal herself now?
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Post by Liou on Apr 7, 2018 8:22:07 GMT -5
she got her name taken away as punishment for something she did before meeting with Altador). Whaaat, where is that from?? |
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Post by Shinko on Apr 7, 2018 9:20:27 GMT -5
she got her name taken away as punishment for something she did before meeting with Altador). Whaaat, where is that from?? Yeah I'm confused about that too. XD I'm fairly sure her name was erased because of her betrayal of the founders, not over something she did before that. |
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Post by Duke Pikachu on Apr 7, 2018 10:14:25 GMT -5
Whaaat, where is that from?? Yeah I'm confused about that too. XD I'm fairly sure her name was erased because of her betrayal of the founders, not over something she did before that. Sorry, my bad. I could have sworn that, in her chapter of the Book of Ages, Altador asked her what her name was and she responded "The Darkest Faerie". Guess her name was erased when she betrayed Altador. Though, that does make me curious about something. If indeed there was never a Kaia, it was a disguise of The Darkest Faerie... would that mean TDF's new name is Kaia? Like, we know in Faerie culture a name is a big thing to them. When TDF betrayed everyone she got her name taken away. A Grey Faerie cannot get their power back unless they get a new name. So shouldn't it be concerning that, if Kaia as we know her doesn't exist and was just a disguise of TDF, that TDF was able to find a new name for herself? |
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Post by Huntress on Apr 7, 2018 11:43:08 GMT -5
Though, that does make me curious about something. If indeed there was never a Kaia, it was a disguise of The Darkest Faerie... would that mean TDF's new name is Kaia? Like, we know in Faerie culture a name is a big thing to them. When TDF betrayed everyone she got her name taken away. A Grey Faerie cannot get their power back unless they get a new name. So shouldn't it be concerning that, if Kaia as we know her doesn't exist and was just a disguise of TDF, that TDF was able to find a new name for herself? Ngh, I'm of the general opinion that they had no business trying to establish any kind of name magic in the first place, because it's the sort of thing that has to be done very consistently to make any sense at all. Baelia very much has a name, has been traipsing around the place for most of the site's existence with no new name or powers in sight (you'd think that her sisters would pitch in at some point if it was such a big deal) and currently seems to be doing pretty well for herself running the Hidden Tower, probably jumping on Fyora's bed and emptying her liquor cabinet on the side. They could just as well have established her as a permanently no-powers faerie who's the victim of some dark energybending and left the name business out of the picture, the end result would still be the same. My guess about TDF is that she created Kaia as a front to get into Fyora's inner circle and won't necessarily associate herself with it from here on out; Kaia was essentially her online persona xP But I also always felt that The Darkest Faerie is a proud title for her, much like Voldemort the Dark Lord; even if she still had a real name, she might not want anything to do with it any more just like Tom Riddle didn't. That's the first order of business of becoming The Big Dark Evil Overlord of Darkness and Cliché Titles: you make jolly sure that everyone who pipes up with "but wasn't your name Janet?" gets summarily executed. And her apparent lack of name didn't stop her from curbstomping Fyora into a sickbed for months plus whatever magic was required to *points at plot* that whole thing, so clearly her hands aren't that tied. |
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Post by Duke Pikachu on Apr 7, 2018 12:23:00 GMT -5
First off: Baelia (...) seems to be doing pretty well for herself running the Hidden Tower, probably jumping on Fyora's bed and emptying her liquor cabinet on the side. Someone make a comic of this, please. Just Baelia rummaging through Fyora's stuff. XD Anyway, okay, guess the name thing isn't a big deal. |
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Post by Liou on Apr 7, 2018 12:29:00 GMT -5
If indeed there was never a Kaia, it was a disguise of The Darkest Faerie... would that mean TDF's new name is Kaia? I'm afraid we just have to wait until the plot updates, and if they let us know whether there ever was a nice young Kaia. Ngh, I'm of the general opinion that they had no business trying to establish any kind of name magic in the first place, because it's the sort of thing that has to be done very consistently to make any sense at all. Baelia very much has a name, has been traipsing around the place for most of the site's existence with no new name or powers in sight Much agree. It'd make more sense if she was never referred to as Baelia anymore and only as The Grey Faerie. I can't remember if her pseudo-former-name is still used anywhere on site, or if it's just users calling her that for convenience' sake. It was a good idea overall, True Name magic is fascinating in several different mythologies. It's just annoying when it's left as a loose end. ...and currently seems to be doing pretty well for herself running the Hidden Tower, probably jumping on Fyora's bed and emptying her liquor cabinet on the side. I don't know if you are tempted to draw this beautiful picture, but if you are, *casually cheers you on* My guess about TDF is that she created Kaia as a front to get into Fyora's inner circle and won't necessarily associate herself with it from here on out; Kaia was essentially her online persona xP Ooh, yep, I could see her creating Kaia as a way to travel around safely. Perhaps because she had to slowly regain strength after being accidentally de-petrified. It's still possible that the new team wants a good, real Kaia as a more permanent character, though - the first Shenkuuvian faerie. I'd be ambivalent about that development, as there's always been a rule of not creating more faerie types, so it'd seem a bit unfair if she's another speshul element-less faerie. That's the first order of business of becoming The Big Dark Evil Overlord of Darkness and Cliché Titles: you make jolly sure that everyone who pipes up with "but wasn't your name Janet?" gets summarily executed. And her apparent lack of name didn't stop her from curbstomping Fyora into a sickbed for months plus whatever magic was required to *points at plot* that whole thing, so clearly her hands aren't that tied. Yeees, exactly. Which is why my take on TDF was that she purposefully destroyed her own name before attempting any takeovers. Can't be stripped of your name and powers if you ain't bound by no True Name. (Well, it was an excuse for a self-indulgent story in which TDF met the same faerie that stole Baelia's name, and took advantage of her. Putting incomplete lore together to make it fit a bit better. >.>) |
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Post by Shinko on Apr 7, 2018 12:52:46 GMT -5
I may be misunderstanding here, but the conversation seems to be implying that losing name = losing powers for a faerie. That isn’t and never has been the case. Baelia/ The Grey Faerie lost her powers when her wings were removed. The name thing was supposed to be her meal ticket to get her wings and powers back.
Now this next is just headcanon, but I was always under the impression that striking out the Darkest Faerie’s name was meant to punish her by making all of Neopia forget her. Karmic for her attempt to alter the history of Altador so she was remembered as its sole founder and ruler. It definitely, however, has never been about obliterating or even weakening her powers. That’s what the whole trapped in stone thing was for.
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Post by Liou on Apr 7, 2018 13:54:04 GMT -5
Sorry, nevermind then.
I've totally forgotten canon. Disregard anything I say.
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Post by Huntress on Apr 7, 2018 14:39:11 GMT -5
First off: Baelia (...) seems to be doing pretty well for herself running the Hidden Tower, probably jumping on Fyora's bed and emptying her liquor cabinet on the side. Someone make a comic of this, please. Just Baelia rummaging through Fyora's stuff. XD I'm generally a bit twitchy at the idea of ongoing plot-related comics because they always make me paranoid that someone else will beat me to it x'D ...but you're right, I think I want to draw that now. Much agree. It'd make more sense if she was never referred to as Baelia anymore and only as The Grey Faerie. I can't remember if her pseudo-former-name is still used anywhere on site, or if it's just users calling her that for convenience' sake. It was a good idea overall, True Name magic is fascinating in several different mythologies. It's just annoying when it's left as a loose end. She's outright referred to as Baelia in the current Hidden Tower, and I know it's cropped up in the past on-site as well. Mostly under the rule of new!TNT if memory serves (they really seem to be pretty diligent about using faeries' real names, such as Aethia instead of the formerly common Battle Faerie). I may be misunderstanding here, but the conversation seems to be implying that losing name = losing powers for a faerie. That isn’t and never has been the case. Baelia/ The Grey Faerie lost her powers when her wings were removed. The name thing was supposed to be her meal ticket to get her wings and powers back.*went and reread that grey faerie Neopedia article* Ayep, right you are. That angle also still gets 'whut?' upon closer inspection, because the whole problem with establishing any kind of name magic is closing all the loopholes around obvious questions such as "how is name defined, what's kept her from getting a new one after all this time and why does 'Baelia' not work any more?" In other words, lengthy language nerdery that I'm generally 100% down with xD But it becomes a ridiculously complicated set of rules precisely because names are so simple in essence, and that's the thing with Neopets, it was never a proper cohesive high-fantasy series with fleshed-out rules. Which is good, cos it means that us creative folks can operate in those grey areas and expand the world our way, but it does also leave Baelia-shaped loose ends dangling throughout the lore. You'd think some kind soul would at least give her a new dress at some point >__> (also, my first question at "no wings = no magic" is "so considering that water faeries don't have wings, does that mean that they don't have the weakness everyone else has and the smart money should be on Marina"?) |
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