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Post by Geodude 🌻 on Jul 22, 2016 8:35:38 GMT -5
Yeah...I was a bit unsure what to do after Sanders didn't go anywhere in the primaries, but because Trump is a candidate, my conscience tells me that I need to do my part to make sure he doesn't win so yes, I'll vote for her. Can't fully say that "I'm with her," but I'll vote for her.
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Post by Jae on Jul 22, 2016 10:05:02 GMT -5
Definitely sums up the campaigns. I'm curious to see the voter turnout this November, given how many people (myself included) are voting against rather than for someone. Just how strong are the forces of "NOOOOOOOOOOO"? I screwed around and voted Green in 2012 because I knew the odds of Obama losing his re-election were low. But since PA is a battleground state, it looks like I'll need to pick one of the two major ones. |
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Post by Diana on Jul 22, 2016 13:30:47 GMT -5
Lord Kass > Trump No wait.... Kass + The Darkest Faerie + Xandra + Ylana + Dark Faerie Sisters + Jhudora + Sloth + Hubrid Nox + The Drenched > Trump Forgive me for resuscitating an old point once again, but I've been giving this some thought, and I need to respectfully disagree with at least parts of your position. I find it difficult to flippantly say Lord Kass > Trump; it's more of an even to me. Both have aggressively nativist policies that bode ill for all not of their country's descent, both threaten or outright destroy relations with nations around them through their vicious and unfriendly dealings, and it is highly likely that both are operating under the power of foreign, eldritch entities who want nothing more than to see the world destroyed through hubris and folly. At the same time, I do have to give Lord Kass some credit; he does have a few attributes over Trump. He's quite intelligent, has resounding charisma, and more importantly than anything, he took office and enacted his plans with ultimately good intentions for his people. So he wins some bonus points there - maybe enough to edge a slight victory. The Darkest Faerie is clearly superior to Trump for reasons already stated; mandatory memory loss is one of her platform policies she's been most upfront about, so no matter what suffering and ignominies ensue under her iron rule, we won't remember any of it. Xandra is surprisingly similar to Trump – like him, she desires to brutally tear down existing power structures under the guise of a populist reform, but in actuality wants to seize absolute power for herself. Furthermore, she cannot stand perceived slights towards her person and flies into a rage when insulted, which is a somewhat familiar character trait. However, she likes books and does not have a toupee, so she wins a narrow victory. Ylana is difficult to characterize here, as she has displayed no desire to hold office and has no background in politicking. The latter trait also applies to Trump, however, so no ground is lost there – and it is a common adage that those who seek power are least suited to it, so she wins the anecdotal high ground. She does have a history of getting things done through any means possible, breaking laws whenever she sees fit, which again likens her to Trump in some ways. If nothing else, she would bring less egomania to the Oval Office than her competitor. The Dark Faerie Sisters… do not give hopeful prospects to the average civilian under their power, but are at least honest about their desire to see everything suffer in the name of their glory. So an incredibly narrow victory here, on a technicality. Jhudora’s actual plans are shrouded in mystery, so she loses points for not being remotely up front about her campaign platform; Trump is at least open about his goals, to an extent. Like Trump, she desires nothing more than for the world to serve and adulate her as she rules from on high. I’m going to return the points she lost to Trump, though, on the grounds that she despises everyone equally and does not have the time to denigrate any one group in particular. Furthermore, she has been known to actually reward those that serve her to the extent of her terms – something where Trump’s record is unfortunately spotty. While they employ vastly different methods towards achieving their platform goals, Hubrid Nox and Trump ultimately offer their voters the same vision of the world – hopeless, destitute masses shambling without purpose, struggling forward as the ruined world decays around them. The only difference is that with Hubrid Nox, you get to be a zombie and shoot magic bolts out of your eyes. I don’t know about you, but if I’m going to exist in squalor without any hope for life improvement, I may as well get laser beams out of the deal. Sloth is rather similar to Hubrid in that the world under his vision is one of enslaved, despairing masses existing with no other purpose to serve their (capitalist?) overlord - which again puts him on equal footing with Trump. Sloth, however, offers robots, ray guns, and surprisingly effective steroids, so once again, his world of exploitation and suffering still offers the common man more than Trump ever did. The Drenched are sirens – they lure their victims in with calls of what they want to hear, then destroy them utterly once they’ve fallen for their song, taking all and returning none. So, basically, Trump’s campaign strategy. Much like Trump, they have no actual policy for handling office, so I’m going to have to give them a mere equivalence to the current Republican nominee. However, nearly all of this is moot. A nine (technically thirteen) man ballot is unprecedented in a bid for the Oval Office, and could have interesting repercussions down the line in America’s presidential races. At the same time, the partisan differences between these would-be-leaders is too great. A Kass + The Darkest Faerie + Xandra + Ylana + Dark Faerie Sisters + Jhudora + Sloth + Hubrid Nox + The Drenched ticket would ultimately result in chaos as the contenders tore each other apart, engaging in the vicious and usual dance of politicians brutally eviscerating each other for their own gain and self-aggrandizement (the only difference here is that everything is literally on fire, instead of figuratively.) In the end, we would have nothing but a husk of a ticket – the powerless, smoldering remains of nine parties who sought to rule it all. And no leadership whatsoever is undoubtedly a better situation than Trump’s. |
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Post by Geodude 🌻 on Jul 22, 2016 21:42:10 GMT -5
Oh something is quite wrong here...I guess anybody is free to run for office as long as they aren't a felon. m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_57923c0ae4b0fc06ec5cc997But should he win...that'd be absurd yet it wouldn't shock me because of how bad GOP politics has gotten. Is it just me or is the Deep South still stuck in the Jim Crow era? |
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Post by Geodude 🌻 on Jul 22, 2016 21:47:32 GMT -5
Oh also, Clinton chose Senator Tim Kaine from Virginia as her running mate. Basically a boring centrist pick that may disappoint progressives.
We have Trump-Pence vs Clinton-Kaine.
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Post by Diana on Jul 22, 2016 22:14:09 GMT -5
I think this is the first presidential race I've been paying attention to where I hadn't heard of either of the VP picks before.
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Post by Geodude 🌻 on Jul 23, 2016 11:30:31 GMT -5
Mike Pence is one of those socially conservative folks. Tim Kaine appears to be one of those Wall Street sympathizing folks. But I'd encourage people to look at their records instead of taking my over-simplified word for it.
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Post by Diana on Jul 23, 2016 11:32:16 GMT -5
Yeah, I've looked up Pence. I do not like anything I see on that front. e_e He's basically the face of everything I hate about the Republican Party (I don't really consider Trump a Republican)
Still haven't looked up Kaine, but I'll get around to it.
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Post by Jae on Jul 23, 2016 14:42:54 GMT -5
Yeah, I've looked up Pence. I do not like anything I see on that front. e_e He's basically the face of everything I hate about the Republican Party (I don't really consider Trump a Republican) Still haven't looked up Kaine, but I'll get around to it. As a woman, the barbaric laws regarding women's rights in Indiana disturb me (really?! a woman can be thrown in jail for miscarrying?) I know the VP has little to no power in actuality (unless Trump gets elected and is assassinated or impeached) but that's already a pretty big strike against him, and Trump for affiliating with him. |
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Post by RielCZ on Jul 23, 2016 18:17:15 GMT -5
Neither VP seems special in any way whatsoever, not sure which I dislike less (the theme of the election). And this certainly is a campaign where being average seems a con unto itself.
And the DNC is back in the news thanks to alleged Russian hackers in another email scandal. Stirring up resentments based on Clinton favoritism in a supposedly non-partisan body just days before the Democrats have their convention -- oh how many possible ways this could play out. Wonder what Sanders supporters will say on the matter.
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Post by Jae on Jul 23, 2016 19:21:20 GMT -5
Neither VP seems special in any way whatsoever, not sure which I dislike less (the theme of the election). And this certainly is a campaign where being average seems a con unto itself. And the DNC is back in the news thanks to alleged Russian hackers in another email scandal. Stirring up resentments based on Clinton favoritism in a supposedly non-partisan body just days before the Democrats have their convention -- oh how many possible ways this could play out. Wonder what Sanders supporters will say on the matter. So now the #feelthebern crowd might not vote for Hillary/vote at all. That's just what this election needed. |
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Post by Moni on Jul 23, 2016 19:35:05 GMT -5
Tim Kaine is a good pick for the #NeverTrump republicans and he covers ground that Clinton lacks--Tim Kaine is not that liberal but he IS trustworthy, and goes above and beyond to be so. I know a loooot of republicans who are going to vote for Hillary so that Cheetojesus won't become president.
Kaine is so much better than Pence is. Honestly, I'm not sure what the people who don't vote at all when their *~*~ideal candidate~*~* doesn't win expect from politics. It's like "I wanted turkey, but instead of eating Tuna, I'll take fresh diarrhea instead." Politics is all about compromise and results, not always doggedly pursuing the ideal and then burning the house down when you don't exactly get what you want.
(I liked Sanders, but he lost--he's doing what's smart and using his influence to push the Democrat platform to the left. That's not "selling out," or whatever the #bernieorbust people are screaming. Hillary Clinton won the popular vote by 3 million. It's done.)
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Post by Jae on Jul 23, 2016 19:53:09 GMT -5
Cheetojesus fresh diarrhea C'mon now, don't play coy. Why don't you tell us how you really feel about him?  In all seriousness, I did not know that about Kaine, and I agree it might help sway some rogue Republicans (in other words, the sane ones). Although like I said earlier, VPs don't have a whole lot of power, I'll take Clinton and a moderate over two ultra-right-wingers. Kaine, being moderate, might even be able to play a key role in helping Clinton and the DNC appeal to moderate voters in the General Election. |
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Post by Geodude 🌻 on Jul 23, 2016 21:27:03 GMT -5
I miss Sanders too but I guess I am over it now...I think lol.
The DNC will paint the country in a more optimist view given that Trump's acceptance speech was negative and full of anger and divisive hatred. So when I watch, it'll almost be like a breath of fresh air.
I think Kaine will help my red state flip blue and I'm for that. I'm tired of my vote not mattering much in my state. I guess that's Clinton's goal. Well, what's left is the DNC and then the debates. I can't wait to see how much of a fool Trump makes of himself. The way he speaks of and treats women is...to borrow his favorite word...disgusting. If he doesn't keep himself in check, I seriously think he'll say something sexist on the air.
And then we all go off to vote in November and she'll be in the White House in January.
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Post by Moni on Jul 24, 2016 22:47:11 GMT -5
C'mon now, don't play coy. Why don't you tell us how you really feel about him? In all seriousness, I did not know that about Kaine, and I agree it might help sway some rogue Republicans (in other words, the sane ones). Although like I said earlier, VPs don't have a whole lot of power, I'll take Clinton and a moderate over two ultra-right-wingers. Kaine, being moderate, might even be able to play a key role in helping Clinton and the DNC appeal to moderate voters in the General Election. "VPs don't have a lot of power" Hopefully not. *eyes Dick "I shot someone in the face" Cheney* VPs are really good for advising presidents and championing their causes, though, even though their office basically has no real political power and heavily relies on the president. True story, the Cheetojesus campaign actually called Kasich up saying that if he agrees to be VP, he would be "the most powerful vice-president in US history," which . . . is telling about how seriously Donald Dump will take the presidency. The guy has no convictions; Pence might be the one running the show, or a large part of it. Also, since there is never a bad time to point out a colossal screw-up of a lecherous pig, no matter how old it is: (this is not satire. this is not satire. this is not satire.) Trump: "Do you think Putin will be going to The Miss Universe Pageant in November in Moscow - if so, will he become my new best friend?"Will Putin-Senpai notice Sir Artificial Food Coloring? Find out next time on Oh god, is this guy really getting an intelligence briefing next week?! |
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