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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2011 20:00:12 GMT -5
At Mel and Squiesh: Slash fics are explicit romance fan fictions, guys. It's got nothing to do with knives and swords. :/ And I've got nothing against people liking slash. I personally don't like it. I've read the begining of one before and I felt like I was invading their personal privacy. O___o Wait, then what's an innocent crossover romance fic called? |
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Post by Abigail on Jul 27, 2011 20:02:03 GMT -5
At Mel and Squiesh: Slash fics are explicit romance fan fictions, guys. It's got nothing to do with knives and swords. :/ And I've got nothing against people liking slash. I personally don't like it. I've read the begining of one before and I felt like I was invading their personal privacy. O___o Wait, then what's an innocent crossover romance fic called? Just a innocent crossover romance fic.  |
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Post by selmette on Jul 27, 2011 20:10:20 GMT -5
Um, okay. As a fourteen year old girl, I am very much offended by this xD In all seriousness, though: the most common 10-14-year-old girls tend to be extremely obsessive, hyper, and quick to defend something. this is a very broad statement, but because they haven't had much experience, they often can't fairly judge the quality of things like music or literature. young people also tend to be more sensitive and care more about others' opinions of them, which pressures them to like whatever is currently popular, regardless of the actual quality. i'm not sure what to say about the fanfiction. Oh, I wouldn't know about that... Most girls of that age I know aren't obsessive and hyper. Of course, this might vary (based on which "group" you hang out with), but I certainly wouldn't say the obsessive-hyper-defensive type is "most common". that's alright, then, i can only make conclusions based on my own observations. i take it i'm the only thirteen-year-old girl not offended by this? xD it's not like it was meant to be taken 100% literally, anyway. not every single teenage girl can act a certain way, they were most likely just exaggerating to prove their point. i guess it's not really the stereotypes that bother me, but the fact that(from my own personal experience), they're quite true. |
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Post by Gav on Jul 27, 2011 20:10:21 GMT -5
At Mel and Squiesh: Slash fics are explicit romance fan fictions, guys. It's got nothing to do with knives and swords. :/ And I've got nothing against people liking slash. I personally don't like it. I've read the begining of one before and I felt like I was invading their personal privacy. O___o Wait, then what's an innocent crossover romance fic called? Well, that'd depend on how far you meant with innocence. If they're kissing, petting, just about anything but actually doing it, I think it's a lime. If they're just talking and blushing and all that stuff, I think it's fluff. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2011 21:05:22 GMT -5
Of course not. Kids aren't stupid, they just sometimes say and do stupid things because they're growing and they're learning. The things they like have nothing to do with anything. Mary-Sues are just a product of bad writing, not age. Slash fic isn't something only preteen girls like, it's just something that some people like and some people don't. Just because you like top40 radio pop doesn't mean you're stupid. And not liking any of that and liking different things doesn't make you better than everyone that likes those things, either. They're just generalizing because maybe there are some girls aged 10-14 who like all that stuff and they don't like those particular girls. Things like this shouldn't be taken seriously or taken personally.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2011 21:41:45 GMT -5
Wait, then what's an innocent crossover romance fic called? Well, that'd depend on how far you meant with innocence. If they're kissing, petting, just about anything but actually doing it, I think it's a lime. If they're just talking and blushing and all that stuff, I think it's fluff. Thank you. |
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Post by Avery on Jul 28, 2011 1:23:28 GMT -5
I don't think 'stupid' is the right word. Some are certainly immature; heck, I'd say all kids in that bracket, even those with the levelest heads on their shoulders, still have a lot of growing up to do. It has nothing with being stupid, and not every kid fits into the tidy basket of liking stereotypical things (Ie: Miley Cyrus) or talking in netspeak. So calling them stupid is pretty off.
But at the same time, kids that age definitely still need to mature. That's the whole point of adolescence, really. When you're 11 or 13 you're just starting to figure yourself out, you're at the pivotal point where you leave behind the utter naivety of childhood, start realizing things about the world. It's not necessarily a fun time in life, but everyone goes through it, and that certainly doesn't make anyone "stupid".
Also, I just would like to say that I really don't understand the comparison between someone age 10 and 14. XD It's only four years, but maturity wise, it's leaps and bounds away. A 10 year old might be in fourth grade, still playing with dolls and very idealistic, still quite rooted in the ideals of childhood; a 14 year old, on the other hand, could be a high school Freshman. Dealing with hormones, new responsibilities, etc. Still has a lot of growing up to do, but... in all aspects, someone that age is so different from someone who is 10. So I don't find that age bracket particularly comparable if you're trying to point out specific behaviors. Because a fourth grader and a high school kid are not going to act the same, at all. xD;
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Post by Killix on Jul 28, 2011 5:58:22 GMT -5
"lol u 10yr old Miley Cyrus fan kids r stoopid with yer mary su and chatspk slash storiez."
This is what came to mind when I first read this.
Seems like much less of a valid point when you interpret it that way... and it wasn't very valid to begin with. Ouch.
It seems like a case of "Complaining about things we don't like" to me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2011 6:05:53 GMT -5
Stupid? No.
Ignorant. Maybe. But aren't we all to some degree? Ignorance until life teaches you the lessons you need to grow.
That being said, I do not like stigmas. At all. A 14 year old girl can be just as calm and knowledgeable as a 20 year old, and a 20 year old can be just as immature and ignorant as a 14 year old.
So, putting that label on that agegroup is 'stupid' and immature on its own.
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Post by Grove on Jul 28, 2011 8:12:08 GMT -5
Well this is a silly question. As said, anybody from any age group can be stupid.
I, for one thing, don't find myself particularly stupid. xD Irresponsible maybe and unable to prioritize the right things, maybe. But anyone can have those traits.
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Post by Dju on Jul 28, 2011 11:57:35 GMT -5
Honestly, most of them are. But no, not all of them. It really depends on your kind of personality, at that age teens are known for 'being easily confused about who they are' so some of them dream to be like Miley Cyrus (and probably never will), but some of them dream to be a well succeed neurologists, it's different from people to people. Of course whoever created that thread on the other forum is absolutely non-comprehensive, most of the fourteen year old girls I know are pretty original and realistic, but most of the 17 year olds I know simply refuse to see the world as it is and live in a fairytale or pretend every single day is an awesome party and that drugs are harmless, honestly you can't define someone by their age. You never really know what you will find and can't just point a finger at a group and describe them without even knowing them. |
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Post by Elcie on Jul 28, 2011 18:24:24 GMT -5
Guys, slash fic has nothing to with how explicit it is. XD Slash just means a romantic pairing between two males, whether they're having sex or holding hands. And sometimes it can mean two girls, although some people prefer "femslash" for pairings between girls. "Yaoi" is technically the word for more explicit stuff between two guys, although a lot of people just use it to mean any homosexual pairings... and most people agree that using the word "Yaoi" for characters that aren't anime/manga/Japanese video games is just kind of stupid, like saying "I like Megatron and Starscream yaoi!" No, you don't, you like Megatron and Starscream slash because they aren't anime characters. *Fandom Lingo 101!*
*cough* I guess I might as well throw in my two cents while I'm here, though. xD I think the stereotype of "all 14-year-old girls like slash and Miley Cyrus" is actually two different stereotypes, because on the one hand there's the stereotypical fan of pop culture like Miley Cyrus and Justin Bieber who likes things because they are "cool," and then there's the stereotypical "yaoi fangirl" who likes more nerdy things like anime and fanfiction and gets obnoxious about them.
And both kinds of girls exist, it is true, but by no means is it EVERY fourteen-year-old. I didn't like slash or Miley (or whoever the equivalent popular figure was when I was that old, I have no idea XD; ). I just liked similar things that I like now, and was more immature about them. Not being completely mature yet (and really, who is?) definitely doesn't make you stupid.
You might as well say "All college-age girls are stupid and shallow because they live in sororities and sleep around a lot." They exist - but college girls are a very diverse group. Heck, you can't even stereotype sororities that way, since there are lots of different sororities and different kinds of girls who are in them.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2011 19:13:31 GMT -5
Guys, slash fic has nothing to with how explicit it is. XD Slash just means a romantic pairing between two males, whether they're having sex or holding hands. And sometimes it can mean two girls, although some people prefer "femslash" for pairings between girls. "Yaoi" is technically the word for more explicit stuff between two guys, although a lot of people just use it to mean any homosexual pairings... and most people agree that using the word "Yaoi" for characters that aren't anime/manga/Japanese video games is just kind of stupid, like saying "I like Megatron and Starscream yaoi!" No, you don't, you like Megatron and Starscream slash because they aren't anime characters. *Fandom Lingo 101!* I thought so, since I've watched Disney/Disney-esque romance crossovers on Youtube, some one them "femmeslashes" but never explicit (partly since those films are G or PG rated). Also, I agree with Leoness completely. Which is why I think the voting age should be lowered to at least seventeen. After all a seventeen year old can watch an R-rated movie by themselves. It just sums up how the whole "you have to be 18 to vote because until then you're an idiot" argument is not a good point. There are 35-year-old idiots and 15-year-old rational thinkers, and it will always be that way. Age has nothing to do with reason. |
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Post by Avery on Jul 28, 2011 19:29:57 GMT -5
I thought so, since I've watched Disney/Disney-esque romance crossovers on Youtube, some one them "femmeslashes" but never explicit (partly since those films are G or PG rated). Also, I agree with Leoness completely. Which is why I think the voting age should be lowered to at least seventeen. After all a seventeen year old can watch an R-rated movie by themselves. It just sums up how the whole "you have to be 18 to vote because until then you're an idiot" argument is not a good point. There are 35-year-old idiots and 15-year-old rational thinkers, and it will always be that way. Age has nothing to do with reason. In regards to the voting age, I think 18 is about right. Yes, you can watch an 'R' movie at 17, but that's about it-- meaning, as a whole, 18 is the age of majority, not 17, and one arbitrary rule in which 17 is the "magic age" doesn't mean everything else should follow suit. One could argue this in itself should be changed, and the age of majority as a whole should be lowered, but generally I think 18 is a good age for voting and other adult activities, given that it's the age at which one well, becomes a legal adult. For similar reasons, I think the drinking age should be lowered to 18, but that's a different debate altogether. XD And no, not allowing a 16- or 17-year-old to vote is in no way saying they're stupid or incapable of reasoning. But simply put, the line has to be drawn somewhere, and given that in many countries 18 is accepted as the legal definition of adulthood, I think it's as good a place to draw that line as any. And I would say that age does have something to do with reason. Not everything, but a good deal. There will be exceptions to every rule-- precocious thirteen year olds and 35 year olds whose heads would fall off if they weren't attached to their necks-- but largely, age is a sign of maturity. People learn better reasoning skills as they get older; they are able to rationalize and think abstractly. Saying an 8-year-old can reason just as well as a grown adult is discarding evidence... meaning, watch an 8-year-old in everyday life, and it's going to become pretty clear that the kid still needs guidance and isn't (as a rule) going to be as reasonable as someone much older, who has more life experience, who has gone through the maturation process of adolescence, etc. Again, it doesn't mean that 8-year-old-- or 10-14 year old-- is stupid. But you gain more knowledge as you get older. That's a fact. You learn how to better reason and cope with what life throws in your path. And that's something you gain with age. |
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Post by Dju on Jul 28, 2011 19:58:12 GMT -5
I agree with Carrie, 18 is just about right!  Most of people under this age aren't mature enough to decide something important like that, sure that are some 18 year old jerks too but the ammount is much less than some years before. |
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Most of people under this age aren't mature enough to decide something important like that, sure that are some 18 year old jerks too but the ammount is much less than some years before.