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Post by Omni on Oct 16, 2007 17:54:52 GMT -5
Random thought: Why on earth is it called "The Legend of Zelda"? Shouldn't it be "The Legend of Link"? I mean, Zelda just gets into various situations and waits to be rescued. She rarely does anything. It's like calling Super Mario "The Guy Who Rescues Peach". Sorry for my insane ramblings xD Yeah, I've heard comments about the title before, about how it confuses people and they think that Link's name is Zelda. And yeah, sometimes it seems that all she does at one point or another in some games is wait to be rescued. Like how the king and Link just left her in that chamber for protection. You'd think they'd at least leave her a book or something. |
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Post by Mr. Meepit's Puppet on Oct 16, 2007 19:58:15 GMT -5
Hey, I started playing Zelda games on like the SNES, but mostly got into it on the 64 and GBA, now Im playing Phantom Hourglass.
The name being called the Legend of Zelda is that is because, well, I think for two reasons: the Zelda starts of in all games already as a role model, however the Link usually starts of as someone small, a la a kokiri or just a little boy. Secondly, it sounds better than the 'Legend of Link'.
Finally, I say 'the' Link and 'the' Zelda, because there have been obviously more than one.
BTW, can I join?
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Post by Draeroz on Oct 17, 2007 2:15:03 GMT -5
Finally, I say 'the' Link and 'the' Zelda, because there have been obviously more than one. Ganondorf however, was the same. King of the Gerudo + Triforce of Power + Corrupted personality = Giant Demon Pig (Pretty simple, isn't it?) He's death, however, were somewhat different yet similar in BOTH timelines... kinda make you ponder, doesn't it? |
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Post by Nut on Oct 17, 2007 13:28:53 GMT -5
Random thought: Why on earth is it called "The Legend of Zelda"? Shouldn't it be "The Legend of Link"? I mean, Zelda just gets into various situations and waits to be rescued. She rarely does anything. It's like calling Super Mario "The Guy Who Rescues Peach". Sorry for my insane ramblings xD Zelda's legend was only actually mentioned once, I think, in Zelda II. (Or Zelda II's instruction manual, anyway.) It's about a princess who was cursed to sleep forever, and the royal family felt the tragedy so badly that every girl born into the family after that was named Zelda after her. (Of course, Link broke the curse at the end of that game. The tradition apparently continued.)
Link doesn't really have a legend, as was pointed out... he's always a nobody at the beginning.
But yeah, Legend of Zelda sounds a lot cooler and more mysterious than Legend of Link. x3 And Zelda spends a whole lot more time helping the hero than Peach does in most of Mario's games... >>
In both Ocarina and Wind Waker, Zelda's very involved up until towards the very end. I'd say it's something to evade Ganon for seven years and then track the hero around the country so she can teach him the songs he needs to progress. And in Wind Waker, not only did more of her personality show through as Tetra, but she was constantly helping Link (even if her help tended to come with drawbacks)... getting him into the Forsaken Fortress, letting him get to Jabun, rescuing his sister, coming in to help him when he was up alone against Ganon... She's at her best when she's allowed to let her princess role fall and take up one of her alter egos, which is by no means doing nothing. |
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Post by Salah~ on Oct 17, 2007 17:00:14 GMT -5
My guess is, they titled the original game like that because a) it sounded better and b) what plot they had involved Zelda enough for that to make sense. Then, of course, the name stuck.
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Post by PFA on Oct 17, 2007 17:18:56 GMT -5
*pokes Nut's last post* Careful about spoilers there.  And yeah, Legend of Zelda sounds cooler than Legend of Link.  |
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Post by Mr. Meepit's Puppet on Oct 18, 2007 1:11:17 GMT -5
Finally, I say 'the' Link and 'the' Zelda, because there have been obviously more than one. Ganondorf however, was the same. King of the Gerudo + Triforce of Power + Corrupted personality = Giant Demon Pig (Pretty simple, isn't it?) He's death, however, were somewhat different yet similar in BOTH timelines... kinda make you ponder, doesn't it? Well, yeah. Ganon is usually the same, though for reasons in the followring spoiler, there are obviously at least TWO Ganondorfs The Ganondorf of the Four Swords games is not king of the gerudos, nor is it mentioned if he has the triforce of power, he just finds a magical weapon. So There are about Five Links, Five Zeldas, and Two Ganons in the official series. |
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Post by Nut on Oct 18, 2007 1:55:56 GMT -5
*pokes Nut's last post* Careful about spoilers there. Oops, sorry. ^^; They're kind of old games now, but it's true you can never be too careful. |
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Post by Draeroz on Oct 18, 2007 3:57:49 GMT -5
Ganondorf however, was the same. King of the Gerudo + Triforce of Power + Corrupted personality = Giant Demon Pig (Pretty simple, isn't it?) He's death, however, were somewhat different yet similar in BOTH timelines... kinda make you ponder, doesn't it? Well, yeah. Ganon is usually the same, though for reasons in the followring spoiler, there are obviously at least TWO Ganondorfs The Ganondorf of the Four Swords games is not king of the gerudos, nor is it mentioned if he has the triforce of power, he just finds a magical weapon. So There are about Five Links, Five Zeldas, and Two Ganons in the official series. Well I made a research on Wikipedia and to be specific, the Ganondorf in Four Swords happens to be a Gerudo who had stolen a trident that gave him the powers, its true that the Triforce were barely mentioned in it but that's just it.
My main theory was that perhaps the Four Swords timeline were somewhat parallal to the main games timeline in someway and it was likely that the two different Ganon may be the same with a different backstory.
Than again, you might be right about them being two different individuals as well... When you said there were five Links and five Zeldas, you must've miscounted.
Again, I did my research and this is what I get.
Link
#1 The Legend of Zelda & The Adventure of Link
#2 A Link to the Past & Link's Awakening
#3 Ocarina of Time & Majora's Mask
#4 Oracle of Seasons/Ages*
#5 Four Swords**
#6 The Wind Waker & Phantom Hourglass
#7 Four Swords Adventures**
#8 The Minish Cap**
#9 Twilight Princess
Zelda
#1 The Legend of Zelda
#2 The Adventure of Link***
#3 A Link to the Past
#4 Ocarina of Time****
#5 Oracle of Seasons/Ages*
#6 Four Swords**
#7 The Wind Waker & Phantom Hourglass*****
#8 Four Swords Adventures**
#9 The Minish Cap**
#10 Twilight Princess
* Because both games happens immediately after each after, so they're both the same.
** Despite being in the same timeline, the Links and Zeldas were still different.
*** Its proven that despite following the same Link in the first game, the Zelda in this game was really another person.
**** Sometimes known as Sheik, note that she only appears in a flashback in Majora's Mask, being the same as young Zelda in Ocarina of Time.
***** Sometimes known as Tetra, she remains as Tetra at the end of The Wind Waker and in Phantom Hourglass.
So in conclusion, there were a total of nine Links and ten Zeldas. |
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Post by Mr. Meepit's Puppet on Oct 18, 2007 3:58:30 GMT -5
I wonder what happened to The Hero of Time Link after Majora's Mask. And I also wonder if all Links have names like that. There's the Hero of Time (Ocarina, Majora's) The Hero of Wind (Wind Waker, Hourglass) Hmm... Maybe- The hero of split personalities! (Four Swords/ Adventure) Im not so sure JH. Nintendo once said that Zelda games all fit into the same timeline, so I have a feeling everything is in the same universe. |
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Post by Strife on Oct 18, 2007 7:47:48 GMT -5
Oooh! Zelda pwns all!
Link is pretty cool too. xD
Anyway, sign me up Sevvy. ^^
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Post by Draeroz on Oct 18, 2007 8:43:50 GMT -5
Im not so sure JH. Nintendo once said that Zelda games all fit into the same timeline, so I have a feeling everything is in the same universe. If they all fit in the same timeline, how do you explain where Twilight Princess fit into The Wind Waker's timeline? |
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Post by Omni on Oct 18, 2007 14:47:30 GMT -5
Im not so sure JH. Nintendo once said that Zelda games all fit into the same timeline, so I have a feeling everything is in the same universe. If they all fit in the same timeline, how do you explain where Twilight Princess fit into The Wind Waker's timeline? I hear that when link pulled the Master Sword out of the Pedestal of Time, and then later returned to his own time, leaving the Sword there, it may have created two different timelines. One is where Ganondorf got his hands on the Triforce of Power, was sealed, and later escaped, creating the Windwaker timeline. The other is Link pretty much left the Master Sword in the Pedestal (didn't give Ganondorf enough time to get his Triforce, or something like that) and things remained peaceful for some time, creating the Twilight Princess timeline. Although, if Ganondorf didn't get his Triforce, then I'm not sure how he has it in Twilight Princess... maybe he had just enough time to get his Triforce, but something prevented him from taking over?
That's a theory I've heard, anyways. |
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Post by Mr. Meepit's Puppet on Oct 19, 2007 3:55:31 GMT -5
If they all fit in the same timeline, how do you explain where Twilight Princess fit into The Wind Waker's timeline? I hear that when link pulled the Master Sword out of the Pedestal of Time, and then later returned to his own time, leaving the Sword there, it may have created two different timelines. One is where Ganondorf got his hands on the Triforce of Power, was sealed, and later escaped, creating the Windwaker timeline. The other is Link pretty much left the Master Sword in the Pedestal (didn't give Ganondorf enough time to get his Triforce, or something like that) and things remained peaceful for some time, creating the Twilight Princess timeline. Although, if Ganondorf didn't get his Triforce, then I'm not sure how he has it in Twilight Princess... maybe he had just enough time to get his Triforce, but something prevented him from taking over?
That's a theory I've heard, anyways. Firstly, that is a widely accepted theorie Omni.
Also, TH: How do you know Twilight Princess doesn't happen before Wind Waker. Or are you not talking about the flooding...
In an interview that Nintendo Dream conducted with Eiji Aonuma in December 2006, he mentioned that there likely exists two different Zelda universes. The split in the timeline occurs during Ocarina of Time, when, at the end of the game, Link is sent back in time by Zelda. Once returned to his original time, Link goes to see her again, and the result of this meeting is an alternate future in which the villain Ganondorf is arrested and tried by the ancient sages, which causes him to get banished to the Twilight Realm; Twilight Princess then occurs over one hundred years after the Ocarina of Time child Link's era. Meanwhile, The Wind Waker occurs in the "adult Link" timeline, hundreds of years after the adventure of the adult Link in the future of Ocarina of Time. The creators maintain that the series has a set timeline, but due to the poor translation protocols in the 1990s,[citation needed] and debate over what counts as "canonical" material, the available information continues to be disputed. Eiji Aonuma has since promised he will do his best to patch it all up, and reveal the timeline someday,[citation needed] and Miyamoto stated in a 2003 interview that there is a master document containing the timeline.[citation needed] Eiji Aonuma has also stated in a July 2007 video interview that there is such a document on his PC, and that this document is considered confidential.[42] According to this interview, development of a Zelda title can commence without the team knowing in advance where exactly the title will fit into the timeline; but by the time the title is finished, its placement in the timeline will be determined. However, this document has not been seen publicly, and there is little other proof of its existence. |
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Post by Nut on Oct 19, 2007 13:42:54 GMT -5
:333 *in Phantom Hourglass blissland*
I love Beedle.
(Beedle, incidentally, is a better name than Terry. >> Which is what they call him in Dutch. I have no clue why they even bothered changing the name in the instruction manual because the game cannot be played in Dutch, though apparently I could play it in German, French, Spanish, or Italian if I wanted.)
Hey, I don't suppose anyone knows where there's a transcript of the English version of the story on page 5 of the Phantom Hourglass instruction manual? I'm kind of curious.
*disappears into the fog*
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