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Post by Stal on Nov 7, 2004 22:48:20 GMT -5
Ethnocentrism is unavoidable, as far as I can see it. Religious views set strange mindsets of what's right and what's wrong. I just wish so much that everyone could know what they think is what they think, and just accept that what anyone else thinks isn't a "lie," or some sort of silly nonsense. So I guess I don't really agree with that quote? Whether you agree or not doesn't matter. All that matters is that's what happens. |
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Post by wolfofthewoods on Nov 7, 2004 22:54:15 GMT -5
Whether you agree or not doesn't matter. All that matters is that's what happens. Doesn't it matter if I agree or not? I mean, if people think otherwise about different religions, doesn't that make the statement "that's what happens" invalid? It's called ethnocentrism. How peoples' views of the world and other religions are affected by their religion. There's not necessarily one way of seeing it (that the faith you belong to is the one that's right and others are wrong), because EVERYONE thinks of it differently. I don't think people who believe in things that are different than what I believe in are sucking up lies-- I think we're all just looking inside ourselves and seeing what OUR truths are. It's about beliefs, not right vs. wrong. |
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Post by Stal on Nov 7, 2004 23:02:16 GMT -5
Doesn't it matter if I agree or not? I mean, if people think otherwise about different religions, doesn't that make the statement "that's what happens" invalid? It's called ethnocentrism. How peoples' views of the world and other religions are affected by their religion. There's not necessarily one way of seeing it (that the faith you belong to is the one that's right and others are wrong), because EVERYONE thinks of it differently. I don't think people who believe in things that are different than what I believe in are sucking up lies-- I think we're all just looking inside ourselves and seeing what OUR truths are. It's about beliefs, not right vs. wrong. You're still missing the point of what I was saying. The question was asked of how Christians act the way they do with trying to change the world to more or less how they see it should be. I'm not saying whether I support this statement or not. I'm just stating that's more or less the philosphy behind the different people. |
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Post by wolfofthewoods on Nov 7, 2004 23:12:37 GMT -5
You're still missing the point of what I was saying. The question was asked of how Christians act the way they do with trying to change the world to more or less how they see it should be. I'm not saying whether I support this statement or not. I'm just stating that's more or less the philosphy behind the different people. Well, yes, I definitely agree when it comes to saying that that's how some people think. But it's one thing to say "some," and another to say that that's how it is for everyone. So, yes-- more or less. ^_~ |
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Post by Stal on Nov 7, 2004 23:15:29 GMT -5
Well, yes, I definitely agree when it comes to saying that that's how some people think. But it's one thing to say "some," and another to say that that's how it is for everyone. So, yes-- more or less. ^_~ I didn't say all. I was just attempting to explain the mindset of those in question.  |
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Post by Komori on Nov 8, 2004 11:04:34 GMT -5
Personally, I think some Christians have gotten into a bad mindset. Christian tennants teach the love of Jesus Christ and how he sacrificed Himself for the salvation of the entire world. This message, he told his followers to go out and preach. But then there are those Christians who take it in a bad mindset. They go out to the world, trying in a sort of frantic rush to shove as many people as they can into their beliefs. And that is what I don't like.
Yes, Christian tennats teach that there is one and only one true religion, and that makes some Christians very pushy about their beilefs, and very elitist. That's the bad thing. Converting a person is not to accuse them of doing evil things and telling them they'll go to Hell, it's about sharing the love of Jesus, and explaining to them that they too can partake of His love if only they desire it. If not, there's no amount of forcing them or pushing them into Christianity, or else they don't grasp the whole purpose of His teachings. God tells us to plant the seed of his Word, then let it grow on its own. Not shove it down people's throats. At least, that's how I believe it should be. And I shake my head at those eccentric people who go around crying that anime con-goers, roleplayers, and Potter fans are going to Hell. They are just pushing people away, and that makes me very sad.
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Post by Buddy on Nov 8, 2004 16:08:01 GMT -5
The quote, as far as I see it, is true (and really, nothing new to me - I'd figured this out LONG before Stal ever posted it). However, like has been said, I just feel that some take it... well, too literally (if that even makes sense).
There's a difference between seeing the world in your own way, and trying to change the world to as you see it when it, for some reason, doesn't fit into your mindset of whatever you feel the world "should" be. And I don't think anyone can deny this.
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Post by mrsfluff on Nov 8, 2004 22:16:35 GMT -5
Personally, I think some Christians have gotten into a bad mindset. Christian tennants teach the love of Jesus Christ and how he sacrificed Himself for the salvation of the entire world. This message, he told his followers to go out and preach. But then there are those Christians who take it in a bad mindset. They go out to the world, trying in a sort of frantic rush to shove as many people as they can into their beliefs. And that is what I don't like. Yes, Christian tennats teach that there is one and only one true religion, and that makes some Christians very pushy about their beilefs, and very elitist. That's the bad thing. Converting a person is not to accuse them of doing evil things and telling them they'll go to Hell, it's about sharing the love of Jesus, and explaining to them that they too can partake of His love if only they desire it. If not, there's no amount of forcing them or pushing them into Christianity, or else they don't grasp the whole purpose of His teachings. God tells us to plant the seed of his Word, then let it grow on its own. Not shove it down people's throats. At least, that's how I believe it should be. And I shake my head at those eccentric people who go around crying that anime con-goers, roleplayers, and Potter fans are going to Hell. They are just pushing people away, and that makes me very sad. I agree 110%, GhostKomori. Christianity is a religion of love, and our mission is to share the love with others, and let them decide. No amount of forcing can get someone to change their religion; it's a choice every single human has to make on their own. It sickens me how some Christian radicals try to force it on others. It only makes people turn away from Christianity. |
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Post by The Wanderer on Nov 8, 2004 22:29:21 GMT -5
I agree 110%, GhostKomori. Christianity is a religion of love, and our mission is to share the love with others, and let them decide. No amount of forcing can get someone to change their religion; it's a choice every single human has to make on their own. It sickens me how some Christian radicals try to force it on others. It only makes people turn away from Christianity. I recently began to see what we believe is our choice. A lot of people will simply not be convinced to abandon the beliefs they grew up on, or wish to follow what other people do. I guess you could call me a Christian, though I hadn't been attending church lately, which has led to some rumors that I have abandoned my faith. Of course, to say the least, this is untrue, but this does bring up the point that there are some people out there who do try to force their thoughts and beliefs upon others, which has given many faiths throughout the world, a bad rap. But as was mentioned, Christianity is a religion that preaches compassion, forgiveness, and love towards one another. Problem is, people are unsure if they are supposed to force it upon others, since all other religions are regarded as "heathenistic," or they allow others to do what they wish, since they seemingly cannot be convinced in any way. I'd like to think you can convince people, since hope is another big thing, that is associated with almost every religion. But it is probably best that people come to their own decisions. Strong faith comes from self-discovery. |
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Post by Stal on Nov 9, 2004 10:37:07 GMT -5
I disagree with the radical Christians condemning you for things like harry Potter, D&D, etc. I also disagree with those who actually try to scare you into becoming their religion. Honestly, it's not even going to matter if their heart isn't it.
But I think you all are forgetting that it's not Christians only who try to force their beliefs and their way of life on everyone. Their the only ones in the spotlight, but everyone, on every side of belief system, does it their own way. I feel that, often times, Christians are only more outspoken in their beliefs because of the fact there's been many an effort to supress their voice. Just something to keep in mind...
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