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Post by Stal on Nov 7, 2004 2:56:24 GMT -5
There's been some questions going on as to how/why Christians are the way they are when there are so many lifestyles out there. How they can so dogmatically say things, embrace their religion, and through that embrace try to change the world as to the way we believe we're told to change it...
This quote pretty much sums it up.
By the way, I would HIGHLY suggest you all reading the Homecoming Quintet, by Orson Scott Card. They're not very high on notoriety simply because it's not an Ender-verse, but I like these nearly the same....very very intriguing books. Sci-Fi, but barely. Faith and Religion are MAJOR themes throughout...
The books are: The Memory of Earth, The Call of Earth, The Ships of Earth, Earthfall, Earthborn (in that order).
And as for the quote:
..."the story the oversoul tells me fits all the facts that I see. Your story, in which I'm endlessly deceived, can also explain all those facts. I have no way of knowing that your story is not true-but you have no way of knowing that my story isn't true. So I will choose the one that I love. I will choose the one that, if it's true, makes this reality one worth living in. I'll act as if the life I hope for is real life,and the life that disgusts me-your life, your view of life-is the lie."
While you'd have to read the book to understand and appreciate the fullness of the context, it's still one that sums it up well...
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Post by mushroom on Nov 7, 2004 13:08:27 GMT -5
I'm glad you're happy. Please don't assume, however, that non-Christian worldviews are necessarily unpleasant ones, as your post seems to imply.
I started to read one or two of those. Unless I'm misremembering, they had too much "adult content" for me.
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Post by Stal on Nov 7, 2004 13:13:55 GMT -5
As I said, you'd have to realize the books full context to understand what he meant when he said a couple things. I expected you to be able to look past that and just gleam the frame of mind and understand what was being gotten at....
Oh, and yeah, the book deals with sex a lot. Not in an erotic fashion of some pulp romance novel, but it is dealt with in quite an open manner.
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Post by The Wanderer on Nov 7, 2004 13:22:52 GMT -5
It sounds like something out of a philosophy class.
But what does any of it mean?
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Post by mushroom on Nov 7, 2004 13:34:47 GMT -5
As I said, you'd have to realize the books full context to understand what he meant when he said a couple things. I expected you to be able to look past that and just gleam the frame of mind and understand what was being gotten at.... Oh, and yeah, the book deals with sex a lot. Not in an erotic fashion of some pulp romance novel, but it is dealt with in quite an open manner. I'm still not sure I do--it sounds to me like you're saying that a world in which Christianity is true is the only world worth living in. *shrugs* It seemed very icky when I read it, but then again I thought "Ender's Game" was icky the first time I read it--it's certainly possible I just wasn't mature enough when I tried to read the Homecoming books. (I probably still won't be reading them, though. Both the Ender and Bean series degenerated after the first book--I'm not much of a Card fan in general.) |
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Post by Buddy on Nov 7, 2004 13:35:23 GMT -5
It basically says "I see things my way and will always think that that way is right. But, you will always see things your way and you will always think your way is right. I will always choose the view on life that gives it meaning and makes me happy and will alyways believe that your view on life is wrong."
Or... something like that...
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Post by Linnen Malfoy on Nov 7, 2004 16:43:36 GMT -5
I have no problems with religion, but I do have problems when peopel try to take it out on me. I sometimes feel that religion is obscured by the zealots who try to go around and 'convert' people who don't want to be converted. I was harassed in a class by girls who said that I was going to hell by reading Harry Potter and that I should stop reading it. ...well...yeah...it's just...not happening. Another kid told me that I shoudl drop Judiasm as my religion and join his religion. The TRUE one. A girl in my class says that spirits come to her at night and hurt her because her roommate is Muslim. That, I feel, is what gives religion a bad name. Those who take it and hide behind as a shield to promote hatred, not love. Religion should never be about alienating people, but bringing them together. I always feel bad for those who do that to religion, because that is not what it was made for. It's made to see the beauty in the world, in what God can make. It's not made for going around and telling people that they should throw their favorite book in the fire, beause they'll go to hell if they do. ...I have no idea what this post was about. Really don't.  ; |
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Post by Stal on Nov 7, 2004 16:48:52 GMT -5
It basically says "I see things my way and will always think that that way is right. But, you will always see things your way and you will always think your way is right. I will always choose the view on life that gives it meaning and makes me happy and will alyways believe that your view on life is wrong." Or... something like that... You got it. And since this has been asked on a few threads lately, I figured just make on thread out of it instead of posting it on all the multiples. |
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Post by Kiddo on Nov 7, 2004 16:50:58 GMT -5
I was harassed in a class by girls who said that I was going to hell by reading Harry Potter and that I should stop reading it. That ticks me off so bad. I KNOW for a fact that there are "Christians" who will call me evil and say I am a Satanist because I play D&D. My own home church had problems with that game. But the thing is - those guys in there are my friends. Not to mention, one of them has approached me asking if we could discuss my faith because I'm the first person he's seen that has a genuine love for it. As old/older than I am and I'm the first person he has seen that exhibits love and calls herself Christian. That makes me feel sick to the stomach. And it just irritates me to NO end that people are willing to write off an entire group simply because they read a certain thing or have a certain hobby. That's horrible. I'm off topic a bit but it just irks me to no end when I hear about Christians not acting out of love. That's what our faith is about - for God so loved the world - and people willingly spit on that. |
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Post by The Wanderer on Nov 7, 2004 16:57:10 GMT -5
I am aware of what the quote meant, but what I want to know is why this guy would want to write this.
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Post by Stal on Nov 7, 2004 19:30:35 GMT -5
I am aware of what the quote meant, but what I want to know is why this guy would want to write this. You'd have to have read the books. I can't explain because it's like, yeah. Difficult and I read them about a year ago... |
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Post by Rider on Nov 7, 2004 19:38:30 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]Ugh... but you know how people can be. "My way or the highway, buddy. I know I'm right in my mind, and since I can't get inside yours, I'll just assume you're wrong."
In my school, a Catholic school filled with mostly heterosexuals, homosexuals have to keep their preference hush-hush.
The public school of my town throws the word "Jewish" around a lot. "Dude, that throw was so Jewish."
I don't get why people can't just get along and try to understand each other without bashing each other over the head with thier hurtful words. But I'm a nauseatingly quixotic idealist, so I'll shut up now...[/glow]
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Post by Linnen Malfoy on Nov 7, 2004 19:47:34 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]I don't get why people can't just get along and try to understand each other without bashing each other over the head with thier hurtful words. But I'm a nauseatingly quixotic idealist, so I'll shut up now...[/glow] I guess it's sort of a societial view. A few zelots come along and make it seem like a certian religion is bad, and associating with them is awful. But, I always find it sort of silly to think that a devoted religious person would go to hell for reading Harry or playing D&D. I mean, you can still love God and play those things. As such, you can still be devoted to your religion yet have a different religion. I guess just after hearing that girl say those things about her roommate got my blood boiling about people saying awful things in God's name. Just very sad that something which was so pure is now associated commercial idea or zelots who are perhaps using God to close off other people and isolate them. Bah, I should never post when I'm in a pensive mood. All that pops out is nonsenical stuff. |
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Post by Rider on Nov 7, 2004 19:53:48 GMT -5
I guess it's sort of a societial view. A few zelots come along and make it seem like a certian religion is bad, and associating with them is awful. But, I always find it sort of silly to think that a devoted religious person would go to hell for reading Harry or playing D&D. I mean, you can still love God and play those things. As such, you can still be devoted to your religion yet have a different religion. I guess just after hearing that girl say those things about her roommate got my blood boiling about people saying awful things in God's name. Just very sad that something which was so pure is now associated commercial idea or zelots who are perhaps using God to close off other people and isolate them. Bah, I should never post when I'm in a pensive mood. All that pops out is nonsenical stuff. [glow=red,2,300]Linny, your comics are nonsensical.  This was perfect common sense. If only everyone could be so sensible. As long as you know that D&D is just a game, and Harry Potter is only a book, and as long as you know in your heart what is real, then you'll be OK. Don't take this the wrong way. If you're pagan, and you know in your heart that paganism (is that a word?) is the right way, then by all means, go for it! Believe what you believe. Just don't get other people involved in your beliefs. It's the simple childhood lesson of MYOB. (Mind Your Own Buisness.) [/glow] |
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Post by wolfofthewoods on Nov 7, 2004 22:41:18 GMT -5
Ethnocentrism is unavoidable, as far as I can see it. Religious views set strange mindsets of what's right and what's wrong. I just wish so much that everyone could know what they think is what they think, and just accept that what anyone else thinks isn't a "lie," or some sort of silly nonsense. So I guess I don't really agree with that quote?
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This was perfect common sense. If only everyone could be so sensible.