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Post by thegreenmooseofdoom on Aug 25, 2004 17:36:40 GMT -5
A little game I used to play before, kind of with myself, often alone,I would pick a situation in the past that I'd have liked changed, change it the way I want, and look at the possibilities of what could happen. It helped calm me, by allowing me to think about how bad the world could be if I changed it. Sometimes it's cool, but more often than not, its horrible. If you go back in time, every step you take, every life you influence, in the tenniciest way, every motion (or not, for that matter, if you choose to stay still) will affect the future. I used to do this all the time as a kid. My mental motto soon became "Whatever happens, happens, and I wouldn't want to change it for anything." Because really, when you think about it, even bad experiences help you grow as a person. You can't change mistakes, but you can learn from them and be all-the-wiser afterwards. |
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Post by thegreenmooseofdoom on Aug 25, 2004 17:41:47 GMT -5
Dimensions are a bit too weird. Dimly possible, but why in the world would you want to send yourself to a totally different dimension? Oh, yay, dimension of ____. How do we get back now? What do dimensions have to do with time? If you send yourself to a totally different dimension in an attempt to change something (and there'll have to be a HUGE amount of dimensions for that, infinite actually, since every single action ever done will lead off into another totally different dimension, so every single action done by every single human being on the planet will be different. Heck, why stick to humans? Every action done by every animal down to the last sewer rat, down through all the generations will have a happy different dimension!), how the heck are you going to get back to your own dimension? So you'll have the dimension no. 2 you and the dimension no. 1 you stuck in one dimension, and in the other you just poofed. I'm oddly reminded of the show Sliders. Same basic premise: Guy invents something that teleports he and his friends into an alternate dimension, and they're trying to get back to their own dimension. They hop from dimension to dimension, and sample all sorts of weird cool alternate realitites, but never find their own again. it has Gimli/Sala in it! ^_^ Prolly the first thing I saw him in, besides Raiders of the Lost Ark. But I digress. |
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Post by ghostision on Aug 25, 2004 20:10:13 GMT -5
Doubtlessly I'm ignorant and just spouting things that are random, and already said but about the lightspeed thing, but wasn't there a footnote in Einstein's theory of relativity that clearly says that when an object approaches the speed of light, its mass becomes infinite? If we go lightspeed, or faster than the speed of time or whatever, don't bad things happen, according to Einstein? I don't think we can go back.
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Post by sollunaestrella on Aug 25, 2004 21:49:37 GMT -5
I want to make one thing sure for all of us: The harry potter theory is impossible. Yes, you can see anything 'impossible', but with this theory there is a missing link... How did it start the first time? Well, this will be hard to say in words, but: When they traveled back in time, they discovered that they actually already did it. And so it always went, continiously, but then... How did it once start? There must have been a first time... Or is did the first time just make a vicious circle?... How is the "first time" any different than the other times? And to come back on my theory: There aren't infinite dimensions. But as soon as something happened that shouldn't have happened (like time traveling) another dimension unfolds. Like, if they tomorrow would to go the year 1990, they wouldn't go to this timeline's 1990 but they would go to a newly made dimension, resembling JUST the same, but only in another dimension... - Ruben V. Well, then, what's the point of time travel if you don't want to change things in your own dimension? You'd only change history in that one dimension and the dimension you existed it would hum right on smoothly. So why take the trouble? And I'd still like to understand how time travel to the past is possible. It's possible to the future (in a way), but I'd like to know about the past. |
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Post by Stal on Aug 25, 2004 21:57:18 GMT -5
IF Time Travel were possible, Time travelling to the future would be TOTALLY impossible to begin with. The future is always changing and shifting. It's not set. It's not set at all. You always have choices which will change the course of the future in someway, and therefore it cannot be set.
Oh, and by the way, apply the Heisenburg Uncertainty Principle to time travel. It still goes with it, I do believe. That being "You cannot observe something without changing it."
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Post by Ikkin on Aug 25, 2004 22:53:59 GMT -5
I want to make one thing sure for all of us: The harry potter theory is impossible. Yes, you can see anything 'impossible', but with this theory there is a missing link... How did it start the first time? Well, this will be hard to say in words, but: When they traveled back in time, they discovered that they actually already did it. And so it always went, continiously, but then... How did it once start? There must have been a first time... Or is did the first time just make a vicious circle?... And to come back on my theory: There aren't infinite dimensions. But as soon as something happened that shouldn't have happened (like time traveling) another dimension unfolds. Like, if they tomorrow would to go the year 1990, they wouldn't go to this timeline's 1990 but they would go to a newly made dimension, resembling JUST the same, but only in another dimension... - Ruben V. So your theory is basically my 3rd one, the one used in DBZ. I was thinking about this theory, and I was trying to find out what I thought was wrong with it...and I realized. The creation of a new dimension would take an astronomical amount of energy, equivelent to the amount of energy in the entire universe. There would be no way to create that much energy, or to harness it without destroying the universe. The problem with the Harry Potter theory isn't really a problem, more of a paradox. It assumes that everything will happen as it will happen. Since it is already 'set' that the person will travel back in time before they travel, it would not be a problem. As a side note, a 'set' future wouldn't necessarily preclude free will...just make the whole deal a bit more complicated. It's paradoxical, but they're not intrinsically opposite. And time travel to the future could be possible within the century. Cryogenic freezing! (once they figure out how to properly thaw the person out) Although it's not instant, it would feel like it to the person. That is future time travel, and even if the future is constantly changing, it would definitely work. Past time travel, on the other hand, is theoretically impossible at this point. |
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Post by ruben on Aug 26, 2004 5:05:27 GMT -5
Well, everyone, do you now see why I believe in my theory? Just like Stal said ‘the future dos not yet exist’ (I even had a nickname once: ‘We can not travel in time, because the future dos not yet exist) But then I saw it… Different dimensions, going to dimensions where the future already exists, but then again the Harry Potter theory mixes mine. Because if you would go to different dimensions, for the person that went to the other dimension (the future one), in that past the same person went to another dimensions future. And so on, but still, we wouldn’t know. And you must see that we can NEVER understand it all ‘clearly’. ‘Why would we travel in time if we couldn’t change anything?!’ Well, how could we know that we couldn’t? For all we know, maybe our present is already altered…
- Ruben V.
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Post by KittyKadaveral on Aug 26, 2004 6:28:13 GMT -5
I read a short story long ago about two guys that created a time machine that could travel into the future, the problem was it could only go back 50 years and then would break. They had sent the thing centuries ahead thinking they fixed it, but of course it broke. So, now, they had to go ahead and find the dumb thing and try to figure out how to bring it back. They go and get it and they know their machine will break in 50 years when they try to get back so the only logical thing they can think of doing is keep going ahead and MAYBE someone in the future had all ready found a machine that can go back in time as far back as you want. Anyway, all the years they stopped at all said the same thing, "We can only go back fifty years before it breaks." They push on and there's a race that ends up hating the one guy and shoves him into the time machine and busts up all the buttons (tied him up for good measure too) and sends him on an infinate ride into the future. His pal, by the way, decided he'll never get home, had nothing waiting for him anyway, and thought he'd be better living in this future. Sooo...his buddy is now in the machine and literally gets to watch the world around him change and then eventually end leaving him in a black void and he begins to cry. The interesting thing is that while he's still chugging along in the void of a future he hears spirit voices telling him not to be afraid and that they'll fix his machine for him. As he continues watching, the universe begins to rebuild again and so does earth. He manages to punch the numbers in on the time he originally left in the first place and lo and behold he ended up right back into that spot in his time.
Wow, ok, I suppose my point is on this is that you might be able to go forward but going back is not going to happen with much luck if any. My question always rode on the buddy he left behind in the far future. It was still an awesome story and made me think about if things really DID happen in some way or another and just gets started over so maybe things can get changed somehow. I was wondering if that's where deja vu comes in? Everyone out there at some point or another has had the feeling they've seen something or done something once before. Well, maybe they have. Maybe that's what the universe does is keep repeating itself over and over in hopes to someday correct things somehow? I don't know and yeah, probably endless babble, but it was still fun. lol
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Post by Stal on Aug 26, 2004 12:10:09 GMT -5
Because if you would go to different dimensions, for the person that went to the other dimension (the future one), in that past the same person went to another dimensions future. And so on, but still, we wouldn’t know. And you must see that we can NEVER understand it all ‘clearly’. ‘Why would we travel in time if we couldn’t change anything?!’ Well, how could we know that we couldn’t? For all we know, maybe our present is already altered… - Ruben V. One major major problem with your theory. If you went into a different dimension where the future all ready existed, it's not the same as your future. It's the other dimension's future. That other dimension may not have worked out the same way as yours. Just because you traveled to another dimension from your own does not mean your counterpart in dimension2 will have done the same thing. You act as if all of these will have happened concurrently and all these other dimensions exist with the SAME outcome as our own. You may end up in a nazi-controlled world by jumping to the future of another dimension because in that one, Hitler didn't lose WWII (well, technically speaking, it's because of Hitler that we even won). Do you see what I'm saying? The only plausible other-dimension theory to even be mentioned here is that the universe is constantly splitting and forming alternate universes/dimension/realities. For every possible choice, the universe "splits" where one choice is made as opposed to the other. In which case you have countless alternate realities out there that are very much different from our own and some nearly identical. But you won't know until you get there. By the way, I don't buy any multiple realities/dimension thingy anyway. Kind of goes against my religion, if you think about it.  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2004 9:25:21 GMT -5
And I'd still like to understand how time travel to the past is possible. It's possible to the future (in a way), but I'd like to know about the past. It's not. The past is dead. Time isn't a line. You can't go backwards on it. Time is a point that is forever changing, but whose changes can not be reversed. Unless you go to an alternate dimension, which Ruben says you can only create by going there. But that doesn't make sense. You can't go somewhere that doesn't exist, so how can it be created? IF Time Travel were possible, Time travelling to the future would be TOTALLY impossible to begin with. The future is always changing and shifting. It's not set. It's not set at all. You always have choices which will change the course of the future in someway, and therefore it cannot be set. I must disagree. Travelling to the future of Earth is possible. You just have to go fast enough or be frozen cryogenically. When you come out of whatever you travelled with, the Earth will be in the future of your own time. The only difference? The world will have no record of your life after you travelled in time. Why? Because past time travel is not possible. You can't go back to your own time. Travelling to Earth's future can be done. Travelling to yours can not. |
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Post by Stal on Aug 27, 2004 10:04:58 GMT -5
It's not. The past is dead. Time isn't a line. You can't go backwards on it. Time is a point that is forever changing, but whose changes can not be reversed. Unless you go to an alternate dimension, which Ruben says you can only create by going there. But that doesn't make sense. You can't go somewhere that doesn't exist, so how can it be created? I must disagree. Travelling to the future of Earth is possible. You just have to go fast enough or be frozen cryogenically. When you come out of whatever you travelled with, the Earth will be in the future of your own time. The only difference? The world will have no record of your life after you travelled in time. Why? Because past time travel is not possible. You can't go back to your own time. Travelling to Earth's future can be done. Travelling to yours can not. That's not technically time travel, if you ask me. Because according to time travel theories, even though you've travelled hundreds of years, and it feels like an instant to you (same as cryogenic freezing) you just disappear with a time machine. Or travelling so fast, anyway, you can't be "registered" to have been anywhere. Cryogenic freezing, you can have people watching over you at all times. And even then, the future isn't set, it's still constantly changing and shifting, and you just happen to be stuck in one place. That's not the time travel we're discussing here. |
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Post by william on Aug 27, 2004 10:09:22 GMT -5
Re: Cryo freezing
I don't think (if my memory serves me correctly) that there has ever been a successful unfreezing of a cryogenically frozen person. If that information is correct, then how can we be sure that freezing even works? People could be horrifically braindamaged.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2004 11:03:34 GMT -5
Cryo freezing was only an example of how one might travel to the future and stay alive, as seen in Planet of the Apes (the ORIGINAL version, not the crappy new one).
Still, Stal, you agreed with me about travelling fast. That's impossible now, but it might not be in the future.
And Will, you're right. But like I said, it's just an example.
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Post by Stal on Aug 27, 2004 12:06:27 GMT -5
Cryo freezing was only an example of how one might travel to the future and stay alive, as seen in Planet of the Apes (the ORIGINAL version, not the crappy new one). Still, Stal, you agreed with me about travelling fast. That's impossible now, but it might not be in the future. And Will, you're right. But like I said, it's just an example. Yeah, but I still don't consider cryo-freezing to be time-travelling in the true sense, of like a time machine and all. You know what I mean?  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2004 16:13:42 GMT -5
Yeah, but I still don't consider cryo-freezing to be time-travelling in the true sense, of like a time machine and all. You know what I mean? :P Of course, I debated with myself over posting it as an example in the first place. |
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