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Post by Vyt: Down, but Not Out on Jan 22, 2009 16:06:18 GMT -5
We've all known that the NTWF TCG's card game system heavily relies on one particularly famous card game, and have found out that there is something more that this card game can give out. That's why we have come up with new alternate gameplays that everyone can enjoy! This thread is for the discussion of the NTWF TCG alternate games, including but not limited to suggestions and even newer gameplays. - Swap Deck: Unofficially started waaaay earlier, this straightforward house rule is now an official alternative! The rule is simple: the two duelists exchange decks and play using their opponent's deck! Whoever beats their own deck wins! A great way to see how others play your deck and an opportunity to try out other deck styles.
Shinies:50/20
- Sudden Death: A simple alternative gameplay where a duelist only needs one KO to win. If you're looking for a short game, try this get-lucky play!
Shinies: 30/10
- N-T-W-Foh!: Duelists have 10 LP (Life Points) themselves. To reduce his/her opponent's LP, a duelist can directly attack his/her opponent (that has no Active Fighter during that turn) using his/her Fighters on the field (Event cards that can inflict damage to or heal a Fighter can also be applied to duelists as well). A duelist can also reduce his/her opponent's LP by leaving "carry-over damage" (the excess damage from an attack that KO's the Fighter) on the opponent's Fighter. A duelist wins if s/he reduces his/her opponent's LP to 0. "No More Fighter" victory is disabled in this type of battle. Duelists are considered Fighters themselves and can be targeted by most Event Cards and attack conditions/effects, but are immune to Special Statuses (poison, paralysis etc), Special Abilities and "insta-KO" or "Fighter discards" such as 'Bloidal Explosion and more. Attacks are launched one at a time, not simultaneously, and if a Fighter is KO'd by an attack that is preceded by another attack, the next attack must be targetted at another Fighter. Fighters can be "Benched" into defense position by returning two Energy cards on the deck. Fighters in Defense position cannot attack, but do not give the duelist carry-over damage whenever they are KO'd.
Shinies: 50/20
- Magic-type: Duelists have three hitpoints by themselves. Duelists can have as many Active Fighters as they can in the field, but are still only allowed to play one Fighter Card per turn. The Energy Cards they play are separated from the Fighters and put into an "energy disposal pot". For a Fighter to attack or an Event Card to be used, the duelist must "tap" the necessary amount and type of Energy Cards. In tapping Energy Cards for Event Cards, the rarity will show the amount of cards (2 for Common, 3 for Uncommon and 4 for Rare) but the type of energy is Colorless. Fighters that have been issued an attack are tapped afterwards. A direct attack can be issued to an opponent duelist if s/he has no Active Fighter in his/her field, but it can only remove one hitpoint irregardless of the damage it can do. Before his/her next turn can begin, a duelist must untap up to ten cards in his/her field. The winner is the first duelist to have his opponent run out of hitpoints. Take note that in every turn, an attack does NOT signify the end of turn, and thus duelist must verbally speak out in order to end their turn officially.
Shinies:50/20
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Post by Ian Wolf-Park on Jan 22, 2009 16:21:53 GMT -5
Question: Do you still get shinies if you win/lose these alternative games?
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Post by Vyt: Down, but Not Out on Jan 22, 2009 16:26:43 GMT -5
Question: Do you still get shinies if you win/lose these alternative games? As of now, no. The amount of shinies have not yet been discussed (mainly because that got slipped out of my mind, silly me), but hopefully we'll be able to decide on that soon. Feel free to test out the new alternatives, however. |
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Post by Jina on Jan 22, 2009 16:43:23 GMT -5
Seeing as you are starting to introduce new types of play, do you think some cards should be put on banned lists for certain play types? Except for the mian game, of course. But some cards could be way too powerful on a different set of rules. The first thing that comes to mind is bench-targeters in N-T-W-Foh!
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Post by Vyt: Down, but Not Out on Jan 22, 2009 16:59:09 GMT -5
Seeing as you are starting to introduce new types of play, do you think some cards should be put on banned lists for certain play types? Except for the mian game, of course. But some cards could be way too powerful on a different set of rules. The first thing that comes to mind is bench-targeters in N-T-W-Foh! Bench-targeters such as Ninja Bowgirl cannot attack the duelist using their bench-aiming attacks. The duelist can only be damaged directly by Fighters if s/he has no Active Fighters. However, seeing that bench damages will be senseless in this kind of gameplay, I will start looking around for cards that will be deemed useless through this alternate mechanics. That means attacks that damage the Bench are unusable.Also, I've added some rules to N-T-W-Foh!, including the "carry-over damage" rule where duelists will get damaged if a Fighter is KO'd. |
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Post by Jina on Jan 22, 2009 17:13:30 GMT -5
Mmkay.
Is 10 LP enough? I mean, If it were me, I'd stick in a bunch of damaging events, and a bunch of high-HP cards with weak but cheap attacks, or even better things that give paralyze/sleep/chibi, and that would mean I could also probably lower the amount of energies in my deck a bit, and I can stick in even more damaging Events. If it was more like 15-20 LP, I'd probably think twice about something like that though, it would be kinda difficult to pull off on 30 cards.
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Post by Vyt: Down, but Not Out on Jan 22, 2009 17:34:43 GMT -5
Mmkay. Is 10 LP enough? I mean, If it were me, I'd stick in a bunch of damaging events, and a bunch of high-HP cards with weak but cheap attacks, or even better things that give paralyze/sleep/chibi, and that would mean I could also probably lower the amount of energies in my deck a bit, and I can stick in even more damaging Events. If it was more like 15-20 LP, I'd probably think twice about something like that though, it would be kinda difficult to pull off on 30 cards. Well, we can only test it out. Want to try with me and see if 10 LP is enough?  Besides, we'll be able to learn more about the mechanics and improve on them. |
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Post by Jina on Jan 22, 2009 18:56:36 GMT -5
Mmkay. Is 10 LP enough? I mean, If it were me, I'd stick in a bunch of damaging events, and a bunch of high-HP cards with weak but cheap attacks, or even better things that give paralyze/sleep/chibi, and that would mean I could also probably lower the amount of energies in my deck a bit, and I can stick in even more damaging Events. If it was more like 15-20 LP, I'd probably think twice about something like that though, it would be kinda difficult to pull off on 30 cards. Well, we can only test it out. Want to try with me and see if 10 LP is enough? Besides, we'll be able to learn more about the mechanics and improve on them. Mmkay. But I don't have any direct damagers, so there goes that deck idea xD |
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Post by Vyt: Down, but Not Out on Jan 22, 2009 19:21:12 GMT -5
Well, we can only test it out. Want to try with me and see if 10 LP is enough? Besides, we'll be able to learn more about the mechanics and improve on them. Mmkay. But I don't have any direct damagers, so there goes that deck idea xD I'll go create the thread, then. Note that it's just a test match, so no shinies and ranking points will be awarded. EDIT: I see problems with Fighters like Bob-OMG who target the supposed opponent's Active Fighter. I can put it so that such effects or Special Abilities that target "the opponent's Active Fighter" can only be targetted at, by list of order: - The opponent's attacking Fighter if the effect/Special Ability occurs after the opponent's attack (i.e. Bob-OMG's Detonate)
- One of the opponent's Active Fighters if the effect/Special Ability occurs when the Fighter is played (i.e. Ninja Henchman's Preemptive Strike) or if it is an attack (i.e. Clockwork Maid's Five-finger Discount).
This ruling applies to N-T-W-Foh! and Magic-Type. |
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Post by Vyt: Down, but Not Out on Jan 24, 2009 8:04:02 GMT -5
Shinies are now given out to the alternate games! Check out the first post to know how much!
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Post by Jina on Jan 24, 2009 15:12:48 GMT -5
Isn't sudden death a little high? It seems like it should be about half that. .50/4 = 12.5 -> 15, 20/4 = 5. And that's just with the winner's KOs, not the loser's.
Also, I think Shackles might be overpowered in sudden death, since it forces them to stay Active, and I can't think of any cards off the top of my head that would remove it, except for discarding the Fighter it's attached to or discarding all cards attached to the Fighter it's attached to, and the chance that you'll have and be able to use one of those is quite low.
There are also other cards that increase retreat costs instead of stopping retreating, but they are all Fighters I believe, and much easier to get rid of, plus if you're desperate you can just pay the extra energies.
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Post by Vyt: Down, but Not Out on Feb 1, 2009 8:31:48 GMT -5
Isn't sudden death a little high? It seems like it should be about half that. .50/4 = 12.5 -> 15, 20/4 = 5. And that's just with the winner's KOs, not the loser's. Also, I think Shackles might be overpowered in sudden death, since it forces them to stay Active, and I can't think of any cards off the top of my head that would remove it, except for discarding the Fighter it's attached to or discarding all cards attached to the Fighter it's attached to, and the chance that you'll have and be able to use one of those is quite low. There are also other cards that increase retreat costs instead of stopping retreating, but they are all Fighters I believe, and much easier to get rid of, plus if you're desperate you can just pay the extra energies. Sudden Death is meant so that both duelists are on the edge of winning the game. It's actually much more risky to play through this than on normal games where you can have two Fighters eliminated and still breathe at ease. I reckon the Shinies are enough to complement this. Shackles will be banned from Sudden Death matches. |
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Post by Vyt: Down, but Not Out on Feb 13, 2009 19:02:19 GMT -5
BANNED CARDS Shackles None None MODIFICATIONS In Magic-Type, cards that deal damage to a specific target can only deal 1 Damage if the target is the duelist. |
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