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Post by Sock on Sept 11, 2004 11:36:58 GMT -5
I agree it is a bit weird without Really Confused. And I wasn't talking about you, I was talking generally just in case you thought otherwise. Wait, I'm confused now (Really Confused ). I seriously hope they put Really Confused in the NT again. This just doesn't seem right at all.
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Post by aakfish on Sept 11, 2004 11:39:03 GMT -5
Wait, I'm confused now (Really Confused ). I seriously hope they put Really Confused in the NT again. This just doesn't seem right at all. I am sure there will be more Really Confused in the NT. I don't think anyone wants it to end.
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Post by Sock on Sept 11, 2004 12:04:35 GMT -5
I am sure there will be more Really Confused in the NT. I don't think anyone wants it to end. Yes, I'm sure too, but it just doesn't seem right like I said before.
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Post by tennmagpie on Sept 11, 2004 12:10:58 GMT -5
But I agree with Tenn. The old system worked fine-- Felicia had a balance of regulars AND newcomers-- with the emphasis always on QUALITY-- and how many times a person was PREVIOUSLY published didn't count. The message here is that no matter how good your stuff is, it will be put on the backburner to make way for inferior stuff to "give others a chance". I'm all for giving newcomers a chance-- as long as quality remains high. But simply penalizing someone based on their trophy count isn't exactly fair either. But we also have to remember that this is NOT the way Felicia wants it. She is simply following orders. She argued against this new policy. We need to understand this important point. And... as others have said, we simply have to keep submitting and hoping for the best. Maybe in a few weeks-- or even a few months-- the "Powers That Be" will realize that this new policy is not beneficial to the overall quality of the Neopian Times and will allow Felicia to do her job (which she does wonderfully) without any more interference. Exactly.
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Post by Tdyans on Sept 11, 2004 12:50:27 GMT -5
Yeah, I know-- I hope I didn't sound ungrateful and all-- because I really DO consider myself to have been lucky to have been published as much as I have. But I agree with Tenn. The old system worked fine-- Felicia had a balance of regulars AND newcomers-- with the emphasis always on QUALITY-- and how many times a person was PREVIOUSLY published didn't count. The message here is that no matter how good your stuff is, it will be put on the backburner to make way for inferior stuff to "give others a chance". I'm all for giving newcomers a chance-- as long as quality remains high. But simply penalizing someone based on their trophy count isn't exactly fair either. But we also have to remember that this is NOT the way Felicia wants it. She is simply following orders. She argued against this new policy. We need to understand this important point. And... as others have said, we simply have to keep submitting and hoping for the best. Maybe in a few weeks-- or even a few months-- the "Powers That Be" will realize that this new policy is not beneficial to the overall quality of the Neopian Times and will allow Felicia to do her job (which she does wonderfully) without any more interference. That sums up my thoughts pretty well. Call me a greedy regular (even though I'm not that regular-- yeah, I have a lot of trophies, but I've gotten them over 3 and half years) or an elitist (even though I despise elitism) if you will. I like helping newbies get in and seeing new authors emerge, so I'm happy to see them get a chance, but I don't think it's any more fair to keep someone out because they have a lot of trophies than it would be to let that person in for the same reason. I never got the idea that the latter was the way it worked before. If it was, it should be corrected, but not by just skewing the prejudice in the opposite direction. Oh well, I guess we'll just have to deal with it like we have all the silly restrictions that have been added to the NT in the last year. And to be repetitive, I realize that Felicia is just doing her job and I don't hold anything against her. I am frustrated because this probably came about because of that stupid avatar and people complaining about not being able to get it. I realize that there are plenty of people who want to get published for better reasons than just that, but I also doubt those people are the ones making noise because they'd like to be considered on the merit of their work as much as the rest of us.
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Post by Random Cameo Neotomi on Sept 11, 2004 13:44:49 GMT -5
Yeah Tomi, people have voiced the same concern for TPPR... and other comics as well. I guess we're all in the same leaky boat. No... NO!!! I was only in about 30 times... THE PET PATROL IS TOO YOUNG TO DISAPPEAR! ;_; but in a less dramatic tone now... seriously, ever since I joined neopets the one thing I wanted most is to get into the neopian times, and now I'm standing on the balance of beingthrown back out? I think it shouldn't be about recurring or not recurring, I think it sould just be the best comics/articles/stories that get sent in that week
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2004 13:49:51 GMT -5
I agree, Tomi...the NT needs quality, not quantity (of new authors). It's cool that they want some new people to get published, but I don't think they should reject the well-written/drawn submissions by classic writers to put in some poorly drawn or badly written work by people who just want that avatar or a chance to be famous. I'm not saying that all new writers are bad--far from it. I mean, I'm a new writer (okay, bad example). I just think they should balance it out a bit...
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Post by Sock on Sept 11, 2004 13:57:01 GMT -5
It is nice that the Neopets staff is giving us unpublished people *CoughMeCough* a better chance of getting in the NT. However, this is also a big flaw. This "rule" is keeping famous faces in the NT (Stone for instance) from getting published. Some famous authors we love the articles and comics of are getting shoved away by new people. Though I do like this new "rule" because it helps many of us such as me get in the NT, I have to say that Stone should still get his comics in. The NT should be evened out so both new and old authors get in, and that would make in more enjoyable in my opinion. Though the NT does provide authors to get their works in it, this does not mean old authors should not get in. It'd be like telling J.K. Rowling to stop writing the Harry Potter books. Maybe I'm rambling on and on. You get my point by now so I'll stop
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Post by Oily on Sept 11, 2004 14:03:18 GMT -5
Well, I think it's nice newer authors get more of a chance and I think if something comes in every week from the same author, it could be a little excessive. But positive discrimination is bad - quality of writing should be placed above everything else.
And, frankly, there were plenty of newcomers every issue anyway. It's not like every space was being filled with regulars.
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Post by Sock on Sept 11, 2004 14:04:45 GMT -5
Well, I think it's nice newer authors get more of a chance and I think if something comes in every week from the same author, it could be a little excessive. But positive discrimination is bad - quality of writing should be placed above everything else. I agree. The quality of work should be accepted, if the author is new or not.
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Post by mrsfluff on Sept 11, 2004 14:05:26 GMT -5
Meh, I don't like this. I know there are many great new authors out there (I mean, everyone was new once!) but the regulars are who give the NT its character and bring people back for more! The old way was fine, so why'd they change it? It doesn't matter how many times people have been in before, the QUALITY matters. Ston'e comics don't (or didn't ) get in each week because they "have" to be, they get in because they're consistently funny. And now, regular comics are going to be a lot less regular. Sheesh. Basically, everything I want to say has already been said by Tenn, Stone, and Tdyans. I don't like this at all, but I don't blame Feli for it... she's just following another random and pointless rule imposed on her...
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Post by Kiddo on Sept 11, 2004 14:23:23 GMT -5
Do you know what this reminds me of? Computer science.
Seriously. I've had some conversations with people and well, the possibility of me getting a job based on my gender is present. It has happened before and frankly, that disgusts me.
For instance, one of my classmates told me how he knew of a girl that was hired to fill a required 'female' slot in the ITT department despite the fact that she wasn't at ALL qualified.
It is sickening to think that I could be judged on anything else than my ability. I find it insulting and degrading - it's like saying that because I'm a woman I can't get a job on my own and need help.
I see a similar situation here. Granted, I may be a regular, but it seems rather cheap and demeaning to put new people in simply because they're new. I mean, "yay I got a trophy because TNT wants us to feel good about ourselves" or "yay I got a trophy because I worked hard and earned it." Which would you prefer? I would rather earn it. It's one of the reasons I work so hard on my writing outside of NeoPets. Paying publishers don't accept people because they're new - no, they snap out a letter saying "Nuh-uh, this part wasn't strong enough, etc." I remember Sophie once said that all these people on NeoPets are going to get a hard kick to the face by real life.
I -know- this is just some online magazine on some online game. But the thing is - it DOES relate to real life. I mean, we get sick of having to tailor our writing to all those rules but that's what you do as a writer. You've got to fit what you're sending it in to. So for the neopets team to turn the NT into a feel good thing - well, I think they're doing their members a real disservice.
However, we all know that NeoPets is not here to allow us to better ourselves and all that good stuff the NT provides. Sorry, they're here to get people to play NeoPets and keep playing it. And if getting people into the NT is one way then they'll do it. That's just how it is.
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Post by Kengplant on Sept 11, 2004 14:27:45 GMT -5
Here is how I think it should work. You are not considered a regualr until you have at least 10 or 15 things in. Each week half of the NT is reserved for regulars, and half of it is dedicated to newcomers. Also to keep things fair for both new comers and regualrs, increase the number of accepted new stuff as much as virtually possible. This way regualrs and newbies both have a fair chance of getting in, and in theory it should help prevent to much clogging up the space for newcomers and regulars.
This new thing of keeping the regulars out because they need to give others a chance isin't as fair as TNT might think. The system is all weird now. It should be based on best quality, not number of trophies.
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Post by Kiddo on Sept 11, 2004 14:30:20 GMT -5
It should be based on best quality, not number of trophies. I really dislike trophies. I started not liking them from my first, "wow u have X trophies!" neomail. I'm probably the only one who feels this way but if NT trophies were just done away with I couldn't be happier.
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Post by Tdyans on Sept 11, 2004 14:34:39 GMT -5
I really dislike trophies. I started not liking them from my first, "wow u have X trophies!" neomail. I'm probably the only one who feels this way but if NT trophies were just done away with I couldn't be happier. I'll admit-- I'm a trophy hound. BUT, the one thing I would keep doing even if there wasn't a trophy for it is the NT. (Which was kind of one of the metaphorical points that no one seemed to notice in "MaxKanine's Rowze"). As it is, we don't (normally) get monetary rewards or prizes like most of the other creative contests do, so that's something. But like I said, I think it's the addition of the avatar that's thrown everything off here. I wanted an NT avatar, but I didn't necessarily want it to be based on getting published.
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