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Post by Speck on Mar 13, 2003 21:28:15 GMT -5
*cough**cough* I guess that sure helps, since we're reading "Romeo and Juliet" in Lit/Writing right now... '...It is the east and Juliet is the sun, Arise, dear sun, and kill the envious moon...' lol, I don't memorize things easily... besides, that's not even the part I'm supposed to memorize...
'Bid me leap, rather than marry Paris, From the battlements of any tower, Or walk in theivish ways, or bid me lurk Where surpents lie. Chain me with the roaring bears, Or hide me nightly in a charnel house O'ercovered quite with dead man's rattling bones, With reeky shanks, and yellow chapless skulls. Or bid me go into a new-made grave And hide me with a dead man in his shroud. (Things that to hear them told have made me tremble) And I will do it without fear or doubt, To live an unstained wife to my sweet love.' -Juliet, Act 4 Scene 1, Lines: 48 - 90
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Post by sollunaestrella on Mar 14, 2003 15:19:17 GMT -5
Sounds fun. Sadky, we haven't read any Shakespeare in school yet, which is too bad. We will in a few years, though....
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Post by spectrum on Mar 14, 2003 23:16:50 GMT -5
I don't know... i prefer it when they talk like REAL people
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Post by Rin on Mar 15, 2003 6:34:33 GMT -5
We had to read MacBeth in high school. My English teacher liked violence... and humiliating people.
Understanding it was more than I could do most of the time!
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Post by evil on Mar 15, 2003 6:40:10 GMT -5
people give shakespheare too much credit...
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Post by antikyle on Mar 15, 2003 6:49:13 GMT -5
I remember doing Romeo and Juliet, I remember having a huge arguement with my English teacher about what "wherefore" meant. Stupid stubborn idiot.
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Post by sara on Mar 16, 2003 18:53:12 GMT -5
people give shakespheare too much credit... Would you care to clarify that? I disagree, but I'm willing to hear your arguments. I consider Shakespeare to be deserving of his great status. Just look at the four lines from this sonnet. No more be griev'd at that which thou hast done Roses have thorns, and silver fountains mud Clouds and eclipses stain both moon and sun And loathsome canker* lives in sweetest bud.
* Canker is a kind of worm that eats flowers Can you come up with enough phrases like "Clouds and eclipses stain both moon and sun" to fill over 150 sonnets (in iambic pentameter with ABABCDCDEFEFGG rhymes) as well as over 30 plays? His language genius, witty, subtle, and trust me, you can't say anything better than Shakespeare can say it. The trouble is, it's intended to be performed by actors, not read. "Your English/Language Arts teachers are all wrong when they ask you to read Shakespeare." my theatre teacher says. It's the easiest thing in the world to screw up a performance of Shakespeare, but a good performance will bring out the brilliance of Shakespeare. I love the 1930's movie version of "A Mid-Summer Night's Dream", though the only thing I liked about the recent movie were the parts about Bottom. I also really like Baz Lurhman's production of Romeo and Juliet, though I do not like Baz Lurhman's other works - namely Moulin Rouge and his rendition of La Boheme. EDIT : Also, I've seen two good live versions of Sonnet 144, and both times I was laughing my head off.
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Post by sara on Mar 16, 2003 19:04:49 GMT -5
I don't know... i prefer it when they talk like REAL people You must have seen some awful performances of Shakespeare. I pity you. Contrary to popular belief, Shakespearean characters do live in the real world, and the only difference in their speech is that it's better than real people. Seriously, Shakespeare is beautiful. It just takes a good actor to pull it forth ... and it's very hard for the actor, I can assure you.
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Post by sollunaestrella on Mar 16, 2003 19:10:23 GMT -5
I agree with Sara Hannah Rose. I have a book of his poems, and I luurve it.
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Post by Speck on Mar 16, 2003 19:51:07 GMT -5
I love the 1930's movie version of "A Mid-Summer Night's Dream", though the only thing I liked about the recent movie were the parts about Bottom. I also really like Baz Lurhman's production of Romeo and Juliet, though I do not like cother works - namely Moulin Rouge and his rendition of La Boheme. EDIT : Also, I've seen two good live versions of Sonnet 144, and both times I was laughing my head off. "A Mid-Summer Night's Dream" is one of my favorite plays! I just love Comedies by him. Does Baz Lurhman's version of Romeo and Juliet have Leo in it? We watched that in our class... personally, I like the fight scene (Mercuchio dies...) in another movie... Speaking of Mercuchio, he's my favorite character in Romeo and Juliet... even though I didn't like his "Queen Mab" speech.... Oh yeah, I almost forgot.I bite my thumb at all who despise William Shakespeare's wonderful works! He was brilliant!
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Post by sara on Mar 16, 2003 21:33:45 GMT -5
"A Mid-Summer Night's Dream" is one of my favorite plays! I just love Comedies by him. Does Baz Lurhman's version of Romeo and Juliet have Leo in it? We watched that in our class... personally, I like the fight scene (Mercuchio dies...) in another movie... Speaking of Mercuchio, he's my favorite character in Romeo and Juliet... even though I didn't like his "Queen Mab" speech.... Oh yeah, I almost forgot.I bite my thumb at all who despise William Shakespeare's wonderful works! He was brilliant! If Leo is short for Leonardo DiCarprio, the answer is yes. Here's an excercise in Shakespearean language. I love it. It's called "You are Quoting Shakespeare". ]If you cannot understand my argument, and declare It's Greek to me, you are quoting Shakespeare.
If you claim to be more sinned against than sinning, you are quoting Shakespeare.
If you recall your salad days, you are quoting Shakespeare.
If you act more in sorrow than in anger, if your wish is farther to the thought, if your lost property has vanished into thin air, you are quoting Shakespeare.
If you have ever refused to budge an inch or suffered from green-eyed jealousy, if you have played fast and loose, if you have been tongue-tied, a tower of strength, hoodwinked or in a pickle, if you have knitted your brows, made a virtue of necessity, insisted on fair play, slept not one wink, stood on ceremony, danced attendance (on your lord and master), laughed yourself into stitches, had short shrift, cold comfort or too much of a good thing, if you have seen better days or lived in a fool's paradise -why, be that as it may, the more fool you , for it is a foregone conclusion that you are (as good luck would have it) quoting Shakespeare.
Even if you bid me good riddance and send me packing, if you wish I was dead as a door-nail, if you think I am an eyesore, a laughing stock, the devil incarnate, a stony-hearted villain, bloody-minded or a blinking idiot, then - by Jove! O Lord! Tut tut! For goodness' sake! What the dickens! But me no buts! - it is all one to me, for you are quoting Shakespeare.I omitted a paragraph which was redundant. I personally find this excercise hilarious. All the phrases in bold are actually quotes from Shakespeare. I suspect a few of them he got from eleswhere, but he probably made up most of them. It just shows you his subtlety. For example, something which is an "eyesore" is something so ugly that it hurts for the eye to see it.
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Post by oddhatter on Mar 18, 2003 21:35:03 GMT -5
Shakespeare, quite plainly, rocks.
He did write some pretty terrible plays(and I'm personally sad that Romeo and Juliet is the first play most people read - it's a lovely play, but most people don't get to truly understand its intricacies when reading it in high school) but when he wrote well - oh boy, did he write well.
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Post by Tdyans on Mar 18, 2003 22:31:35 GMT -5
It's funny-- I've never had to read Romeo and Juliet for a class (and consequently never read it; I probably will on my own eventually, although I doubt it will be one of my favorites of Shakespeare's.) I have, however, read The Tempest, which is supposedly one of his most difficult, at last three times-- one being my freshman year in high school, when it definitely went way over many heads.
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Post by sara on Mar 18, 2003 22:58:57 GMT -5
It's funny-- I've never had to read Romeo and Juliet for a class (and consequently never read it; I probably will on my own eventually, although I doubt it will be one of my favorites of Shakespeare's.) I have, however, read The Tempest, which is supposedly one of his most difficult, at last three times-- one being my freshman year in high school, when it definitely went way over many heads. We've already studied the Tempest here in my freshman year of high school. It was interesting that we were studying it at the same time we were studying Shakespeare in theatre. Both my English teacher and my theatre teacher heard second hand accounts about the other's opinion. For example, my English teacher said the Tempest was a comedy as everyone was happy at the end except the villains. My theatre teacher disagreed - he says there are comic moments, but he considers Prospero's ending speech to be a statement about growing old. Our theatre textbook labels The Tempest under a category with Cymbeline, The Winter's Tale, and Pericles - "Romance"
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2003 8:54:24 GMT -5
I remember doing Romeo and Juliet, I remember having a huge arguement with my English teacher about what "wherefore" meant. Stupid stubborn idiot. "Oh Romeo, Romeo, wherefore art thou Romeo?"Doesn’t that roughly translate to, “Why must you be Romeo?”...? Well, as mush as I like ol' Billy boy.... I have to admit that Poe will always be my number one writer. But that's just me.
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