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Post by Liou on May 30, 2020 5:11:01 GMT -5
Hmmm. I'm going to have to pull out Judgement Bird to react to this -
because the past editors' work was not an oversight. Next, the response is linking to that old list of rules when this same issue contains not one, but two stories mentioning owners, and when issue #901 contained not only a story with a full-on, explicit, literal romance, but also a story in which a faerie's father was mentioned (dangerously toeing the line of male faeries), so I'm getting... very, very mixed messages here. Changing rules in itself is not a problem if it's done in a consistent way, with clear communication, and for good reason. If the rule on parodies of real life were applied drastically, many memes would not have made it into the comics section.
I really hope this gets cleared up soon and is just a misinterpretation of that "pets/humans" line. (Kittylin's author avatar was just fine in the iconic "And the Meepits Outgrabe"...)
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Post by Geo 🇺🇦 🌻 on May 30, 2020 10:33:40 GMT -5
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Post by June Scarlet on May 30, 2020 13:44:04 GMT -5
Geo 🇺🇦 🌻 I read your piece, and it's both fun and cathartic to read. * I thought maybe to make the History of Humans article easier, I could particularly focus on milestone issues, like 50, 100, 150, and so on. Look for examples of owners in those, rather than every issue ever written.
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Post by Twillie on May 30, 2020 13:56:10 GMT -5
June Scarlet Another idea is you can focus on the most significant moments of the history and patterns within it. You don't have to document every single case to talk about the history, but rather give important times like first human featured in the NT/in a story/in a comic/etc. and maybe trends like if humans were featured more in the earlier days, any times in the Editorial where they were mentioned, etc. There could also be common tropes given to NT human characters (like eccentric owner, pyromaniac, the "mom" "dad" title, etc.), and maybe a couple examples given for each. There can be most well-known human characters in the NT, or well-known creators who featured humans in their submissions/series. Stuff like that that lets you talk about the general history and provide examples but not have to worry about every instance of human characters.
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Post by charming thievery on May 30, 2020 16:31:06 GMT -5
I hope not, as I’d love to see that published in the Times, lol. xD
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Post by downrightdude on May 30, 2020 17:27:33 GMT -5
I just sent a short story featuring the wacky antics of Snaw. Shall see how the NT responds, or if the world revolution is brought forth. I also hope this was just miscommunication on the NT's part. The NT needs more crazy antics from the almighty Snaw!
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Post by June Scarlet on May 30, 2020 19:02:32 GMT -5
On a related note, where are the oldest copies of the Times? I think the first few issues are lost forever, but I think there's some early ones floating around somewhere hard to find. The oldest I can find easily is Issue 23, here: www.neopets.com/nt_archive.phtmlAnd then they started over again at Issue 1 when they switched layouts: www.neopets.com/newnt/index.phtml?week=1
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Post by Twillie on May 30, 2020 19:33:25 GMT -5
Not sure myself where the oldest ones may be. From the description on the archive page, looks like Issue 23 introduced a new NT template, so with it that might have changed the url in some way. If I change the week number in the url to anything before 23, I get a 404 page.
The links on Jellyneo's Editorial archive for Issues 1-22 redirect to the current NT archive page, which is what the Old Neopian Times likes to do as well.
I don't know if I've stumbled upon issues that early myself, so alas I wouldn't know where to look.
(Issue 55 is also not viewable, I found out before. Whether clicking its link in the archives or editing the url, it just leads to a 404 page)
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Post by Ziporen on May 30, 2020 19:59:59 GMT -5
June Scarlet : The oldest I know of is Issue 4. Unfortunately, only the home page works. The story links are all dead. I know the URLs for others before 23, but, as far as I know, none of them were archived by web crawlers. :/
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Post by June Scarlet on May 30, 2020 20:10:28 GMT -5
June Scarlet : The oldest I know of is Issue 4. Unfortunately, only the home page works. The story links are all dead. I know the URLs for others before 23, but, as far as I know, none of them were archived by web crawlers. :/ Hm, that's a deadlink you have there, would you mind just copying the link without hyperlinking it to text? Anyway, thank you so much! I thought there was something there, at least. Hey, if you can't read the stories, that makes them easier to go through, at least. Just have to see if there's any signs of owners or humans on the front page.
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Post by Geo 🇺🇦 🌻 on May 30, 2020 20:53:16 GMT -5
Article revised. I made the dedication a bit more subtle. Thanks Carolyn! Just about to submit it. Now I have to find the motivation to finish up The Culture and History of Faerieland (that is if I'm not permanently blackballed from the NT due to my shade).
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Post by Ziporen on May 31, 2020 3:55:42 GMT -5
June Scarlet : The oldest I know of is Issue 4. Unfortunately, only the home page works. The story links are all dead. I know the URLs for others before 23, but, as far as I know, none of them were archived by web crawlers. :/ Hm, that's a deadlink you have there, would you mind just copying the link without hyperlinking it to text? Anyway, thank you so much! I thought there was something there, at least. Hey, if you can't read the stories, that makes them easier to go through, at least. Just have to see if there's any signs of owners or humans on the front page. Oh, whoops. I didn't check before posting. www.neopets.com/nt/index.html
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Post by June Scarlet on May 31, 2020 19:58:45 GMT -5
Carolyn posted this on Discord. Just wanted to save this someplace more handy.
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Post by Allison on May 31, 2020 21:08:05 GMT -5
So the way the "rule" reads is "real people." I always read that as it shouldn't include SPECIFIC people. Like... Including Tom Hanks is a no-no. Giving the owner your full, first and last name is a "no-no." I think that's how it's been interpreted in the past. I mean... otherwise, what's even the point of putting the word "real" in front of "people?" Why would it not read "no people" if they didn't want any humans, ever? Rumpelstiltskin is a person. But he's not a "real" person. Pinocchio is a human, but not a "real" person. (Yes, I know, he becomes a real boy at the end.) I wonder if we could get somewhere with that precedent/suggestion??
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Post by RielCZ on Jun 1, 2020 3:08:49 GMT -5
I'm not a consistent NT author and I haven't written anything with humans, but IMO owners and such should be allowed in the NT. Seems unfair to long established authors to suddenly reverse that now. Anyway though, I just wanted to play the URL sleuthing game post that I found some older editions of the NT, with the first one being: www.neopets.com/nt/2/index.htmlAnd the last one being there at '11' in the URL. I also had to go through these NT time capsules! SO, this seems to be the first image of a human in the NT: images.neopets.com/nt/week2/youngshai.jpgThese seems to be the first story and comic mentioning 'owner': www.neopets.com/nt/2/stariestory.htmwww.neopets.com/nt/3/crimsonsuncomic.htmAnd the first story mentioning 'human': www.neopets.com/nt/4/homelessneopet.htmAlso the 'The End of Kacheeks' series (throughout 4 to 11) seeeems to have some human characters that play story roles? Anyway, I just thought this was interesting. Not sure how relevant it is to the issue at hand, but hopefully it'll help you, June Scarlet.
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