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Post by Gelquie on Jun 20, 2017 21:55:38 GMT -5
I... am more on the side of keeping things here, to be honest. It's easy to say that people will keep the pertinent stuff on the forum or c/p over, but I've found that people can get carried away on IM (which I understand; so have I), and that people have often neglected to bring stuff onto the forum. To the point where so much gets developed on the sidelines and those who don't use Discord or don't check it (hello huge Discord backlogs that are more likely to be lost and skimmed over) lose out, and people are left out of the development process simply by not being in Discord at the time or at all. That can get super exclusive unchecked.
Especially when one of the coordinators loses out on that because stuff isn't being posted to the forum. It's like posting something you put your heart into and getting radio silence back because you don't use a certain channel (which is something I will respect because that's a personal decision). It's not very encouraging.
I can agree on the stance of keeping small tangential things on there. But the stuff I saw in the backlog today... did seem like too much to leave out on the forum OOC thread. And would be easier to catch up on the OOC thread. (With the caveat that I don't really want to catch up on 170 pages of discussion in a day, especially if not doing so will lose on something pertinent like a link to puzzle solving. So that's kind of a balance there that maybe we could figure out along the way; I dunno. Not really my decision; I'll go with whatever the coordinators say.)
I'll admit I put some more stuff on Discord initially because I was brainstorming my character, and mostly just wanted to throw things out to see if things stick before I bring everything else to the forum. And I still think those cases should be fine, as well as quick questions like "what herb should my character search for?" if I just want a quick answer. But the rest of it I would prefer to be on the thread too. I just take the stance that we should be careful about Discord stuff, because that can also be too exclusionary for those who may not be able to access that either, and that's not fun for those people being excluded.
It's not that I can't do either way. Just I agree that I want to minimize things being lost and people--especially coordinators--being excluded.
*Goes to hide in a hole now.*
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Post by Reiqua on Jun 20, 2017 22:16:27 GMT -5
Just to add a little to the discussion on both sides, as someone who's not on discord/skype and has no intention of being, I've actually really appreciated having a bit more activity here on the ooc thread. I'm of a younger generation of forumers who don't remember the days when you could refresh the bloids to find that three new pages of posts had popped up in the last 60 seconds. In those days, I don't imagine anyone would've felt at all guilty about posting mindless drabble in the splatterboard - it was a fast moving medium. The idea of changing splatterboard culture and expectations back to that, like it once was, is not a bad thing (I for one would be up for that!), but the fact that the splatterboard culture is not currently that is also not a bad thing. We as a forum have changed. Old faces have disappeared (lots of them). New faces have come (like me). And those who have remained have grown and their styles of interacting with each other on the forum have also evolved. We're going to keep this forum community alive, games like this one are awesome for that sort of thing. And it doesn't really matter what that liveliness looks like, whether it includes discord as part of this game chat or just the pic thread. Both are perfectly valid and it's up to our venerable goderators to say, so if they say let's keep it on forum I will cheerfully support that  In the meantime though, I think a bit of a round of applause is due to our goderators for creating this awesome game and giving us something to chatter enthusiastically about! EDIT: if people are concerned, maybe we could have an ooc chat thread for discussions such as we've been having here, and a general drabble thread for whatever people want to chat idly about without cluttering up the more important (e.g., clue solving) discussions in this thread? |
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Post by Shinko on Jun 20, 2017 22:38:56 GMT -5
I think it's worth noting that most of the counter arguments to Carrie's point cite the issue of inclusion. But y'all are neglecting to address her point that given her busy schedule, she (and others who've not spoken up I'm sure) is being excluded from the game. It isn't a one way street of "everyone can see the stuff on the forum." I can attest to how clunky it is to use the forum on mobile. I got a PM from Patjade once because I accidentally liked a post she made from 2003 while browsing. The safari. Rowdier is tiny, and Tapatalk is all but useless.
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Post by Avery on Jun 20, 2017 22:54:46 GMT -5
I think it's worth noting that most of the counter arguments to Carrie's point cite the issue of inclusion. But y'all are neglecting to address her point that given her busy schedule, she (and others who've not spoken up I'm sure) is being excluded from the game. It isn't a one way street of "everyone can see the stuff on the forum." I can attest to how clunky it is to use the forum on mobile. I got a PM from Patjade once because I accidentally liked a post she made from 2003 while browsing. The safari. Rowdier is tiny, and Tapatalk is all but useless. ^ This. I appreciate not wanting to be excluded - cos like, that's my whole point. But keeping it all on forum excludes some people (like myself) from meaningfully participating at all. Having some chatter allowed on Discord, on the other hand, means some people will miss a bit there, some people will miss a bit here - but both sides still get to participate, period, and at least have some avenue to be a part of this. That's all I really want, honestly - I probably won't be able to keep up with the puzzles, but I just want the ability to be able to develop a character in the story side of things and participate there. As it is, I am gone from home 11-12 hours a day without any real way to post much on the forum, since mobile is glitchy as heck just reading, let alone posting/having updates and notifications pull through. With the reading of posts, I can at least sort of do it since if it logs me out, it's not the end of the world. Posting... yeah, not the same story. And - welp, I'm at my job. An active push notification on an IM program, I can see when I have a moment and tap a quick reply. Having to log in on a tertiary website - where I'm then probably going to be logged out on my next refresh, because the Proboards mobile iterations tend to do that to me constantly - just to see if there might be a reply, which then half the time doesn't ping my notifications on mobile... and then I have to make it cooperate enough to type a coherent response, without being logged out (because it loves to log me out mid-post), ad infinitum if it's all just little inane chatter. Yeah. It's. Not something I can really do. And I'm not going to really be able to develop a character that way - I'm the kind of person who needs to be able to bounce ideas (as most writers are). And who sometimes need to quickly go "Hey, I wanna do [x] maybe, for lulz - what do you think?" and go back-and-forth with whomever is online for five minutes when I have a breather. Having Discord as a potential option for minor discussion means I (and others who I know haven't spoken up here, but have voiced as such to me privately) can at least marginally participate. Having it all here means I pretty much can't. At all. Whereas the inverse doesn't apply - having something on Discord doesn't mean people can't talk here and develop here. Nor that they won't. Especially if all crucial plot and puzzle things stay here, as they should. In the end, it's not my choice. And I'll respect whatever you decide, even if that means I probably can't participate much at all. It's just sort of a bummer when I'm for all intents and purposes being excluded in the so-called name of inclusion, if that makes sense. XD; And just to reiterate: I'm not requesting an anything-goes transfer to Discord whatsoever. More along the lines of "Hey, I can bounce a character idea off somebody for a little bit" or "I can mention something I'm thinking of because I want to think out loud, and get words of 'That sounds cool' or 'Huh doesn't that conflict with Bob's post?'" Minor, minor things that affect the overall scheme of the game close to nil - but that would help in general with people feeling able to quick-shoot stuff when they can't access the forum, or are overthinking making a whole post here, etc., and just want the briefest flash of feedback or affirmation. |
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Post by Twillie on Jun 20, 2017 23:02:59 GMT -5
This is just my personal case, but a busy schedule has also been keeping me from a lot of the daytime RP postings and puzzle solving, but it's not to do with how the mobile forum works, but more the fact that I just cannot access the internet or my phone at all while working. It's a fast paced job that keeps me on my feet for six or seven hours, and when I get home, I'm usually tired and feel a bit overwhelmed when trying to catch up on everything. For me, it's a lot easier to figure out what I've missed with posts that stay where they are and are a lot more informative rather than sifting through literally hundreds of IM posts, many of which may not contain much content.
And this may just be me, but I don't have much issue with mobile NTWF. I use safari, and sure, buttons may be close or oddly placed, but when it actually comes to finding and reading posts, so long as I've got good internet (just like Discord or Skype or anything else), it works just fine. Like, I think it's much easier catching up on posts here than on mobile Discord; again, the posts stay where they are, and on Discord, I have to endlessly scroll up until I find where the conversation started, and then sift through dozens of posts to find which are relevant, which can take much longer than reading posts on the forum.
I dunno, again it may just be me, but I just find things more accessible on here than Discord when catching up, and honestly on Discord I hardly read backlog when it's over 50 messages anyway, so I'd just be missing out on whatever was discussed there.
EDIT: didn't see updates before posting this, dunno how relevant this post is anymore, do with it as you will
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Post by Kyn on Jun 20, 2017 23:45:41 GMT -5
I wake up and find that the thread has exploded XD Anyway, here's my piece! It should be in the lower corner. EDIT: I've added it to the Google Drawings Doc. |
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Post by Gelquie on Jun 21, 2017 0:06:20 GMT -5
Ah ha, only one piece left. ^^ Kyn - I realized I neglected to answer your question regarding character sounds and smells. Part of the reason I've hesitated is that I'm not very good at coming up with headcanons for those. I'll try, and if I think of something later, I'll bring it up. Alexis is a physically active person, so she might smell a bit on the sweaty side. If chlorinated pool smells linger even after a shower, I could see her smelling like a touch of that just because of how often she swims. She might smell a bit more earthy if she's been hiking lately. As for sounds, she's 13 and I imagine she's just going through puberty, so her voice is probably just deepening; starting to get more mature but not quite there yet. Timbre is something I'll have to get back to you on. Athene I don't quite have all the headcanons down enough yet to tell you more, but considering how she relies on a wheelchair to get around, it's likely to hear sounds from that. (She probably keeps the wheelchair well taken care of to reduce the squeaking, but will probably still be audible, especially to someone with sensitive hearing.) Voice-wise, I feel like she can be a bit to the point, with sentences ending abruptly, maybe? Not super curt; she's like this even when she's saying something happy and funny while ruffling her daughter's hair or something, just I feel like she might have that inflection. (...Unless I change my mind later. xD Work in progress, this is.) |
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Post by Tiger on Jun 21, 2017 0:10:44 GMT -5
Keeping it short, I'm also worried about completely blanket-banning Discord being a problem. I also keep up with Discord better while I'm at work than I can keep up with the forum; technically, I can do both, but in practice, I'm a lot more likely to respond quickly to a comment on Discord rather than a forum post. And unprompted, I tend to check the forum much less frequently than is ideal for keeping up a quick conversation like the ones we were having on Discord today.
More importantly than my schedule, though, I think we run some risk of stifled players/characters. There's something helpful about the spontaneity of an IM chat that helps builds characters/posting confidence/motivation/what-have-you up more quickly. People being notified (if they're online) right away makes it easier to ask little questions and get an answer quickly (instead of having to make the post, wait for someone to see the post, refresh the forum at the right time to make sure you see the post...) And I think there's no way around it - you're going to have trouble getting people to be as spontaneous here on a Forum Thread as they are in the chat. I know the idea is to make people more comfortable with doing that, but I've heard from several people that posting on the forum really feels different to them, and I don't know that the middle of an RP is going to be the easiest time for them to overcome that. (and that includes me, this post is definitely taking me more time to write rambling my feelings on Discord would, and I'm trying to be quick about it X'D
There're also the issues Carrie's mentioned of accessibility, especially for people in offices. And I agree with her that all plot things and final decisions need to be taken back here (and summarized, to avoid the backlogs people have mentioned).
I dunno. tl;dr: I feel like there's going to be a decrease in the amount of OOC chatting across the board and not much of an increase here, because the two mediums are not 100% interchangeable.
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Post by June Scarlet on Jun 21, 2017 0:35:26 GMT -5
Heh, when I forget that Beatrice's blue hair probably isn't natural, and maybe even eye-catching.
It's been a while since I've designed her, but I think the reasoning at the time was that I wanted to use as few colors as possible, and also her design in general was me trying to draw something different, and also that Hero City just sort of gave me the vibe that blue hair could be a normal thing. If superpowers were a normal thing, I guess.
Or maybe it is naturally blue, and Beatrice isn't as normal as we all thought...
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Post by Shinko on Jun 21, 2017 1:39:28 GMT -5
One convenient thing about this plot is that any seeming of contrivance to get characters to recognize the significance of things that would rationally seem like inanities can be written off as magically plot device mind control, ahaha
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Post by Draco on Jun 21, 2017 1:42:55 GMT -5
Ok... I forgot to check things all day, been really... sleepy today XD
I posted my piece in the doc, real late XD
Now to slowly catch up in reading posts and figure out how to fix into things.
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Post by Killix on Jun 21, 2017 1:54:00 GMT -5
Oops, I'm a little late.
I'm a bit ill at the moment. I was feeling a bit bleegh when the game started, but now it's gotten worse. Excellent timing, of course.
I apologise in advance if my writing and posting are fairly slow. Pounding headaches, sore throat, and coughing triple-team me like a boss. (The really annoying kind that you have to do insane amounts of level grinding to beat)
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Post by Kyn on Jun 21, 2017 2:14:29 GMT -5
I'm taking the liberty of posting the deciphered text: I've implemented a mindprog so that people will regularly discover and rewrite this message using contemporary language and cipher, then forget it. It's a failsafe in case something goes wrong. Well, more wrong. If you're reading this and the dome has gone up, you need to believe me. You'll meet Scip soon. They're a bit alien even by our standards, but they're working in your best interests. You'll be in danger if I say any more, but you'll understand everything soon. I promise. |
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Post by Thorn on Jun 21, 2017 2:22:07 GMT -5
I'm taking the liberty of posting the deciphered text: I've implemented a mindprog so that people will regularly discover and rewrite this message using contemporary language and cipher, then forget it. It's a failsafe in case something goes wrong. Well, more wrong. If you're reading this and the dome has gone up, you need to believe me. You'll meet Scip soon. They're a bit alien even by our standards, but they're working in your best interests. You'll be in danger if I say any more, but you'll understand everything soon. I promise. ARGH THAT IS SO COOL I can see what Azzie was so excited about! And also what Shinko meant about mind control. |
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Post by Shinko on Jun 21, 2017 3:03:32 GMT -5
I'm taking the liberty of posting the deciphered text: I've implemented a mindprog so that people will regularly discover and rewrite this message using contemporary language and cipher, then forget it. It's a failsafe in case something goes wrong. Well, more wrong. If you're reading this and the dome has gone up, you need to believe me. You'll meet Scip soon. They're a bit alien even by our standards, but they're working in your best interests. You'll be in danger if I say any more, but you'll understand everything soon. I promise. ARGH THAT IS SO COOL I can see what Azzie was so excited about! And also what Shinko meant about mind control. In fairness, I surmised that would be a plot element from Fraze's very first post about "a buzzing in their heads" lol. This just confirmed it. |
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