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Post by Tara on Nov 9, 2016 16:21:15 GMT -5
Honestly and to everyone who thought the Bush administration was bad and there couldn't be a worse President. Applaud yourself. Honestly at least Bush had reasons for why he proposed war, whether they were true or not. Trump just openly sees women, gay/trans, disabled, captured veterans, and other minorities as less than.
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Post by Celestial on Nov 9, 2016 16:49:42 GMT -5
With the result of the most recent election, we understand that tensions are high. Here are some good resources to look at. In addition, we would also like to suggest giving things a little time to settle before posting any conclusions about the future, as this development is still very young and fresh in our minds. If you have legitimate concerns, feel free to voice them but do keep in mind the tone of your post and how it might sound to or affect others. If you feel it is necessary, especially for the sake of your mental health, take a break from this thread, the Skypechat, or any election news in general. Do what relieves stress for you. Take care of yourselves first and foremost. Sincerely, The Mods |
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Post by Komori on Nov 10, 2016 11:06:42 GMT -5
 My favorite response to this so far. |
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Post by Strider on Nov 10, 2016 12:04:05 GMT -5
So after a day of being numb from shock, it's finally sinking in.
Hello, depression. It's wonderful to have you back. But you know something? I'm stronger than you. Much stronger, and I won't let you defeat me.
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Post by Geodude 🌻 on Nov 10, 2016 12:24:50 GMT -5
The inauguration will be the moment when I feel some closure. That's when I'll fully accept the results, because at that point, it's a done deal. He will be president, but he won't be a dictator. He's going to have to come to the realization that the job isn't so easy as yelling until you get what you want. Our checks and balances will be put to the test but I have some confidence that our Founding Fathers knew what they were doing.
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Post by Celestial on Nov 10, 2016 12:52:47 GMT -5
Yes. Even his business success has mostly been achieved by bullying, intimidation and stiffing contractors. The two golf courses he built in Scotland, for example? Lots and lots of bullying of local communities, councils and the government. He cannot do the same as president, nor does he have the diplomacy and the ability to form bridges that gets bills passed into law. Cold hard reality sinking in for Trumpet-mouth is going to be a scene I will watch with shameless schadenfreude.
Previously I limited myself to applying for jobs where I have at least some relevant experience but you know what? Not going to do that anymore. Instead, when they ask for experience in the application, I will tell them that if someone with no experience could become the most powerful person on earth, I don't need any either. At least I have proof of being a hard worker and am a tolerable human being to be around.
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Post by Crystal on Nov 10, 2016 13:09:25 GMT -5
Yes. Even his business success has mostly been achieved by bullying, intimidation and stiffing contractors. The two golf courses he built in Scotland, for example? Lots and lots of bullying of local communities, councils and the government. He cannot do the same as president, nor does he have the diplomacy and the ability to form bridges that gets bills passed into law. Cold hard reality sinking in for Trumpet-mouth is going to be a scene I will watch with shameless schadenfreude. It's true, but I feel a lot of regret for all the dismantling of the things that Obama worked hard for. I like the Affordable Care Act a lot, for instance. Yes, it needs some reworking and reconfiguring, and it costs altogether way too much right now, but it solved a lot of problems. I'm hoping that the "repeal" that Republicans keep talking about will be a cautious one, and that Trump will take the steps he promised to cut down on drug costs (big pharma will love that I'm sure), and perhaps expand Medicaid. A girl can dream. Mostly though, I'm super sad about the fact that Obama's Clean Power Plan is going to go out the window probably. It's not at all in Trump's personality to favour the long-term gains over the short-term ones, and the short term gains for him are yuge for scrubbing this plan. It's just, y'know, the world is literally going to suffer from it. |
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Post by Geodude 🌻 on Nov 10, 2016 13:19:15 GMT -5
Yes I do think there will be things that will go away that many people don't want to go away. Democrats will filibuster all they want and maybe they can influence some policies so that we don't completely dismantle everything.
That said, it's important to keep eyes on the 2018 Midterm elections. We could hand Mr. Trump a Congress that won't necessarily go along with everything on the GOP agenda. I know midterm elections don't turn out many people because few people seem to care. I hope this makes them care. There are other elections besides the Presidential ones every four years.
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Post by Celestial on Nov 10, 2016 13:20:10 GMT -5
Yes. Even his business success has mostly been achieved by bullying, intimidation and stiffing contractors. The two golf courses he built in Scotland, for example? Lots and lots of bullying of local communities, councils and the government. He cannot do the same as president, nor does he have the diplomacy and the ability to form bridges that gets bills passed into law. Cold hard reality sinking in for Trumpet-mouth is going to be a scene I will watch with shameless schadenfreude. It's true, but I feel a lot of regret for all the dismantling of the things that Obama worked hard for. I like the Affordable Care Act a lot, for instance. Yes, it needs some reworking and reconfiguring, and it costs altogether way too much right now, but it solved a lot of problems. I'm hoping that the "repeal" that Republicans keep talking about will be a cautious one, and that Trump will take the steps he promised to cut down on drug costs (big pharma will love that I'm sure), and perhaps expand Medicaid. A girl can dream. Mostly though, I'm super sad about the fact that Obama's Clean Power Plan is going to go out the window probably. It's not at all in Trump's personality to favour the long-term gains over the short-term ones, and the short term gains for him are yuge for scrubbing this plan. It's just, y'know, the world is literally going to suffer from it. I'm sad too and you are right: Mr. Orange does not care for anybody except himself and what he can gain. I do not have much optimism that life will get any better for anyone in the next four years because of that. Can't say anything about how cautious the repeal will be because Republicans seem to have a lot of hatred for "socialist" health care (and as a Brit, I really have to ask why? I mean, aside from the fact that they are in the pockets of the insurance and pharmaceutical industry...which okay, would explain it.) On an unrelated topic, I found a nice article from the BBC about coping strategies for dealing with the election results compiled from the experiences of Brexit. I think it's useful. ^^ |
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Post by Blueysicle on Nov 10, 2016 14:43:20 GMT -5
Can't say anything about how cautious the repeal will be because Republicans seem to have a lot of hatred for "socialist" health care (and as a Brit, I really have to ask why? I mean, aside from the fact that they are in the pockets of the insurance and pharmaceutical industry...which okay, would explain it.) Largely because in America, there's very much a pull-yourself-by-your-bootstraps idea of self-reliance. That you only work for yourself and your families, and that it's wrong for anybody else to benefit from your tax dollars. The American Dream is largely about the idea that if you work hard enough, you can make it big. But that also carries the implication that those that are struggling and can't break free are just lazy and don't work hard enough. So therefore, stuff like welfare and universal health care is seen as supporting people that don't deserve it. Does it make any sense? No. But that's how a lot of people think over here. EDIT: Should also add that the stigma towards socialism in general is also likely a leftover from the Cold War era, and that a good amount of people don't realize that socialism and communism aren't the same thing. |
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Post by Geodude 🌻 on Nov 10, 2016 14:47:17 GMT -5
I keep trying to get over this, but my mind keeps jumping to friends I know that would be directly impacted by the repeal of the ACA. It's hard because I know they work hard and are struggling to make ends meet because their professions, though very important, aren't paying enough...whether it's education or music therapy.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2016 15:59:33 GMT -5
I'm unregistering as a Democrat because I really can't stomach being a member of the party at this point. Disclaimer: I am not a hardcore Sanders supporter, having voted for Clinton in both the primary and the general. Anyway... I think both the RNC and DNC need to do some serious soul-searching and consider just how this happened. The RNC for obvious reasons, and the DNC because, well...it's not just on the voters. It's also not just on the media, as angry as I am that they gave Trump a ridiculous amount of airtime and by extension momentum. It's also on party officials and officeholders who, quite frankly, made the Democratic primary a non-contest and signaled to many voters that their voices didn't matter. (Because yes, they did, if you consider the vast number of endorsements Clinton received before anyone else entered the campaign and the lack of serious competition beyond Sanders. Here's some more on that.) And I think a lot of DNC officials--along with the media, and Clinton herself--just expected Trump to self-destruct, without much regard for other factors that could shift the vote. Like in the Republican primaries, I feel like a lot of the people in the positions of influence didn't take him seriously. That could have emboldened, infuriated, and deterred voters who were already not necessarily on Clinton's side because of how the primaries went. Were fear and hate a significant part of it? Definitely. But this could have gone very differently had more people turned out to vote. The average voter has their choices, and so did the DNC. They could have made this a serious and competitive election instead of one where it was taken for granted from the beginning that Clinton would win. Even if Clinton was the better choice, the way that she got the nomination was unflattering both to her and the party. So yeah, if I had to attribute this outcome to anyone or anything, it would be a lot of things. There's Trump, racism, sexism, and voter apathy, but there's also the fact that both parties mishandled the primaries. And that some Democrats got seriously naive and complacent. |
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Post by Geodude 🌻 on Nov 10, 2016 16:23:09 GMT -5
I think both parties have to do some soul searching. Even the GOP. Yeah, the RNC can gloat their victory. However, we have no idea if there are lasting consequences. President-elect Trump burned a lot of bridges. Will this have a lasting effect on the party? Was this election really a fluke and if Trump cannot deliver on his promises, will his supporters abandon ship quickly? Could we see a major shift among the major political parties?
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Post by Shinko on Nov 10, 2016 16:34:33 GMT -5
I think a lot of the problem too comes down to people underestimating just how dissatisfied voters in the US are with the political status quo. Every four years they put a politician in office, and every four years most of that politician's campaign promises come to little or nothing. Because well... most people don't seem to realize the president has significantly less power than people think it does. So they get upset that promises made in the heat of the election season are not kept, and politicians in general get a reputation for being manipulative liars.
Trump, for all his foibles, is attractive explicitly because of that lack of experience we keep deriding. Because he is not a politician. He represents a change in the status quo, which is very enticing to a lot of blue-collar voters who are disillusioned with things as they are. And all the media projections of Hillary being a done deal to win probably only angered these folks further, motivating them to go out to the polls while Hillary supporters fell victim to complacency and voter apathy.
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Post by Geodude 🌻 on Nov 10, 2016 16:52:08 GMT -5
And sometimes when we humans get very angry about something, we feel the need to direct it towards someone or something. "It's someone or something's fault that I'm in this mess."
Unfortunately, that someone or something ended up being the groups that Mr. Trump derided on the campaign trail. Can't blame the disillusioned blue-collar workers too much for being human. :/
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