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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2011 15:36:41 GMT -5
D= The poor kitties! I just wanna get them all to good homes.
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Post by Pacmanite on Oct 26, 2011 0:54:34 GMT -5
... it makes me wonder if those cats would transfer their genes down to any kittens that they would have.
And then I wondered, would a custom-human born with strange features also pass this appearance down to their children? Say, if a parent customised their kid to have ears like Spock, would the grandchildren also have a chance of getting Spock ears?
And that makes me feel very troubled. If you mess with human genes, you should know that they aren't just going to stay in one human individual. They could be passed down to any number of descendants... imagine, generations after Star Trek has been forgotten, a baby is born with Spock ears, to everyone's intense embarrassment. Some stupid decision which an ancestor made has now become a part of the make-up of many great-grandchildren, and the gene keeps going down the line... who knows where it'll turn up next... who knows how many more are carrying it invisibly...
I find it a little disturbingly similar to how a family history of incest can be (potentially) harmful for many innocent descendants. "Genetic pollution"? =/
Edit: I retract the last statement. No one should be considered "polluted" for their genes. Nevertheless, people could still feel ashamed of what their ancestor did, and there could be an inheritable stigma for the descendants of a custom child.
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Post by Gav on Oct 26, 2011 1:25:29 GMT -5
There's a possible stigma that could be associated with anything you do. XD If you were a criminal, your kid might have to bear that burden. If you were famous, or a politician, had a social disorder, etc, your kid could have to bear the consequences of that, too. It's less physically obvious, sure, but hey, anything a parent can do can have an effect on their child.
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Post by Dju at school on Oct 26, 2011 7:19:25 GMT -5
That makes me wonder, if parents could change their kids DNA, I bet genetics would become a fashion tendency as well.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2011 7:21:36 GMT -5
There's a possible stigma that could be associated with anything you do. XD If you were a criminal, your kid might have to bear that burden. If you were famous, or a politician, had a social disorder, etc, your kid could have to bear the consequences of that, too. It's less physically obvious, sure, but hey, anything a parent can do can have an effect on their child. What stigma would be attached to loving your child, singing to them every night, and encouraging them to be themselves? That's what I plan to do. |
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Post by Avery on Oct 26, 2011 9:18:42 GMT -5
There's a possible stigma that could be associated with anything you do. XD If you were a criminal, your kid might have to bear that burden. If you were famous, or a politician, had a social disorder, etc, your kid could have to bear the consequences of that, too. It's less physically obvious, sure, but hey, anything a parent can do can have an effect on their child. What stigma would be attached to loving your child, singing to them every night, and encouraging them to be themselves? That's what I plan to do. But this is not about you, Sae. This isn't about what you plan to do with a child. What Gav is saying is that whatever you do with a kid, however you rear it, you always risk stigma. If a murderer has a child, that kid will always bear the burden of their parent being a murderer. That sort of thing. it's not specifically speaking about you, nor how you plan to rear children. |
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Post by Crystal on Oct 26, 2011 9:24:02 GMT -5
I think we shouldn't mess with nature. Changing DNA is serious buisness, it could get in the way of species' natural mutation or be used like some of you said, in bad ways. I am sure there would be tons of children being born with neko ears, owl eyes, mermaid tail or even butterfly wings, ugh. No. We're not ready for this kind of thing, and probably never will. Transgenic kittens prove it. Poor kittens are destined to live in a lab now, yay. www.nature.com/nmeth/journal/v8/n10/fig_tab/nmeth.1703_F2.htmlThose have got to be the most adorable kittens I've ever seen. <3 That said, though, Pac has a very good point. We really shouldn't mess about with this kind of thing. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2011 15:13:51 GMT -5
What stigma would be attached to loving your child, singing to them every night, and encouraging them to be themselves? That's what I plan to do. But this is not about you, Sae. This isn't about what you plan to do with a child. What Gav is saying is that whatever you do with a kid, however you rear it, you always risk stigma. If a murderer has a child, that kid will always bear the burden of their parent being a murderer. That sort of thing. it's not specifically speaking about you, nor how you plan to rear children. You misunderstood me, Carrie. I wasn't trying to make it about me. I was just asking how do you risk stigma if, like me, you aren't a criminal and you do the above? I was just curious. |
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Post by Dju on Oct 26, 2011 15:30:19 GMT -5
But this is not about you, Sae. This isn't about what you plan to do with a child. What Gav is saying is that whatever you do with a kid, however you rear it, you always risk stigma. If a murderer has a child, that kid will always bear the burden of their parent being a murderer. That sort of thing. it's not specifically speaking about you, nor how you plan to rear children. You misunderstood me, Carrie. I wasn't trying to make it about me. I was just asking how do you risk stigma if, like me, you aren't a criminal and you do the above? I was just curious. Well, that's very...what's the word??  It's hard to know how someone would react to different family behavior, I know people that suffer a lot at home, and yet they are incredibly kind even though their parents seem to have no heart. And I've seen ungrateful teens even though their parents try to give the best of love to them by singing songs and stuff, they reacted badly receiving too much attention, I guess. Predicting a child's behavior is really hard. It's like optimism, some people believe in it and some take it as sarcasm. |
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Post by Nimras on Oct 26, 2011 15:34:13 GMT -5
But this is not about you, Sae. This isn't about what you plan to do with a child. What Gav is saying is that whatever you do with a kid, however you rear it, you always risk stigma. If a murderer has a child, that kid will always bear the burden of their parent being a murderer. That sort of thing. it's not specifically speaking about you, nor how you plan to rear children. You misunderstood me, Carrie. I wasn't trying to make it about me. I was just asking how do you risk stigma if, like me, you aren't a criminal and you do the above? I was just curious. Yep. The stigma of being "Mommy's ickle little boy" or "Mommy's widde sweetie girl." Or race, that's aways fair game too. "Run back to your whitey mommy...." (At least that's the one I got as a kid. My Dad looked like everyone else, I looked like most everyone else. My mother didn't.) No matter what you do, there will be a way for people who want to mock/discriminate to mock/discriminate. |
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Post by Lord Hayati on Oct 26, 2011 21:20:50 GMT -5
This feels like GATTACA, which I feel is a good example.
although they may be "better". it doesn't mean they are best for us.
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Post by Stephanie (swordlilly) on Oct 27, 2011 13:29:22 GMT -5
This feels like GATTACA, which I feel is a good example. although they may be "better". it doesn't mean they are best for us. Yep. I brought that up in my post. XD Although we have to bear in mind that Gattaca isn't an "example." It's a thought experiment, imagining the possible consequences in a society where the hypothetical things we are talking about have already happened. I think Gattaca isn't saying exactly that genetic prediction and modification is bad. It's merely asking us to think about how to regulate the use of this technology. |
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