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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2007 19:49:05 GMT -5
oddly enough, the only language to update so far is Italian...makes no sense...
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Post by Omni on Dec 7, 2007 19:50:13 GMT -5
*gets some help from the Google translator* The Italian news doesn't even include anything out-of-the-ordinary, so why doesn't anyone else have it yet?  |
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Post by Huntress on Dec 7, 2007 19:57:46 GMT -5
The Italian news, as I understand, is actually the December 7th news, the one that got skipped in all other languages, English included. So today's isn't up yet in any language.
Plot or not, 's a little weird >>
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Post by jockylocky on Dec 7, 2007 20:29:41 GMT -5
No plot. =/ I kinda assumed. =P But, oh well. With the plot board still being down, there is hope for a plot...soon! ^^
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2007 20:34:19 GMT -5
darn. nothing...although, having the first multi-species clothing set looks great ^_^
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Post by Herdy on Dec 7, 2007 21:52:06 GMT -5
I'm basing it off the plot board on neopets. There, i havnt seen a single person who liked it, other than those who did it as thier first plot. Everyone likes thier first plot, so that doesnt really count. Even during the plot, there was wide critisism of the lack of originality, the use of new characters when other characters on the site would be better suited, and the general pointlessness of the plot. I'm sorry to discount the opinions of NTWFers, but i take the long standing opinion of the Neopets plot community as higher proof. It /is/ widely regarded as the worst plot TNT have ever produced, and as i recall before it's deletion, only one person on the entire plot board expressed a desire for a continuation of JttLI specifically.
HATIC is more than a bit open ended. The final page clearly shows Masila plotting revenge, and the fact that soon after plans for a Thieves Guild mini world were announced show TNT intended the story to be furthered. In BFM, the Three are still at large, and given that they attempted to invade Meridell twice using Darigan, it seems unlikely they would simply say "Oh, let's call it a day." and move on.
Those plots REQUIRE sequels because the stories are not resolved. The only resovled story arcs are those of the space station, mystery island, tyrannia, altador, shenkuu, and the lost desert. As i said, ToW and CoM can go either way because Krawley and Scarblade may have been one-attack villians respectively, or they may be plotting something more, given the endings of the plots.
Admittedly, Masila can just let things go with Hannah, the Three could stop trying to invade Meridell, but then equally the scientific community could quite easily laugh at the Fairweathers, and not gather the required funds for a return trip to the island.
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Post by Komori on Dec 8, 2007 4:02:36 GMT -5
"Long standing opinion of the Neopets plot community?" HAH. I'd hardly believe anything I hear on any Neoboards as proof of the community's opinion as a whole. If it were reflective of the whole, Faerieland would've won the Altador Cup, Customization would've driven the whole of the Neopian population off the site, and the NC Mall would've been a complete and utter failure. The Neoboards are full of nothing but preteen whiners. Most of the plots feature nothing but new characters. In fact, the only recent plots which had reused characters were BfM2 (which doesn't hardly count, it was a sequel), HatIC (and only Hannah was an old chara), and ToW. And since ToW was the last plot before Lost Isle, why would they do two plots in a row with old charas? Also, Lost Isle wasn't the only plot where people claimed it was "unoriginal." It happens every plot, they have to compare it to something or another. And as for "pointlessness," I don't see how. If by pointless you mean it didn't have much of a conflict, I stand by my claim about Lillian's fruit becoming an egg or the like.  And just because some characters are still at large doesn't mean that TNT needs to put them behind bars or kill them. Did you think perhaps those characters are left to their own evil devices to allow for the Neo community to write them into stories? What good is it if all villains are defeated in the end? There's not much for us to write about. On the contrary, with the Three still out there, it's the perfect opportunity to use them in any sort of story or Storytelling competition. There doesn't seem much of a need for them to show back up at Meridell. I think the Neopian population would cry foul, reusing characters in such a major plot like that. Masila too isn't that much of a threat to warrant a whole site-wide plot. Kanrik was made leader of the thieves, if I recall, thereby leaving Masila without much of a crew to back her up. The fact that she threatens revenge simply makes the open end a little more interesting. Anyway, I'm kinda' looking forward to a Lost Isle II, simply because I enjoyed the time period and the style of the story. I liked how it was like the classical adventure movies, and I loved how the comic was drawn. ^__^ |
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Post by Christos on Dec 8, 2007 8:09:39 GMT -5
I really wish there is a plot starting on Monday...The chances are even higher, considering that plost usually start on the first day of the week! |
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Post by Herdy on Dec 8, 2007 8:13:03 GMT -5
Why would the team that recieved the least support on the boards have won? I cant quite understand that, the plot board showed that roo island, darigan citadel, shenkuu and krawk island had the most support. Suprise suprise, they were the top 4 ranking teams. Faerieland barely had any support, and they were one of the worst ranking teams. I'd say that is fairly representative...
As for customisation and the mall, only a few people really have objections to the mall on the boards, it really is a great minority. Customisation is also fairly accepted now on the boards. Of course there were objections to both at the time of thier release, but that's only because they were major new features. No one likes change to begin with.
And the NTWF is full of nothing but self-important know-it-alls.
Both of those statements are untrue, I hope you can see why.
People always compare things, yes. JttLI was more than a comparison though, it was practically a corbon copy of the Lost World. If you take out the parts of the story that would be inappropriate for Neopets (ie, the ape-human conflict) and apply it to a Neopets setting, the two seem almost identical. I know JttLI was probably made as a pastiche, but given the large amount of originality present in ToW, LDP, and even the only other mini plot (altador), JttLI seems like a dip in quality.
It could be possible that the fruit is an egg, I'll give you that, but it does look noticably different than the moach eggs.
Re-using the Three would make perfect sense. We dont know why they want Meridell, who they are, or how they came to be. BFM left many unanswered questions.
If BFM and HATIC havnt been given sequels to allow wirters to use the characters, why have a JttLI 2? Why not allow writers to think up what the return journey would have been like?
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Post by Huntress on Dec 8, 2007 8:33:28 GMT -5
H'okay people, let's try not to gnaw each others' heads off here, shall we?
Each and every plot Neo churns out gets differing opinions. There are always people who hate the plot, and there are always people who love the plot, and there's always some room for continuation. The actual trick is to close the plot so that it doesn't close completely and leaves room for us writers and artists (I got my crown-jewel of a Times series out of the Lost Desert plot). Which is a nice thing, 'fcourse, but always does leave room for speculations for the next part. If TNT was to try hard, they could make a sequel to each and every past plot (remember BfM?); whether or not it'd turn out decently is a different question.
The main reason for people here speculating JttLI2 here is, from what I can gather, the fact that it had the makings of a big plot, just like Lost Desert and Hannah and BfM and so forth, what with battles and fancy-art-comics and puzzles, but ended after only seven chapters, whereas all your other average big plots were 20ish chapters each. With that and the Mysterious Voyage Continues coming-soon-notice, the idea looks ever-so-plausible to me. *shrug* Unless it happens to get lost in poor TNT's notorious To-Do List.
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Post by Nimras on Dec 9, 2007 0:21:30 GMT -5
It wasnt just for those reasons. No one liked the characters, the layout of the plot, the scoring, the prizes, the general idea or the length. It was the most badly recieved plot neopets has ever had. That's a rather gross generalization. I liked the characters, and thought the plot had a lot of potential (especially with a later second part), and loved the general idea. In fact, my only complaint was that it didn't go on longer -- and a part two would fix that. As far as the "most badly received plot neopets has ever had" bit, I don't suppose you can cite any sources for that? Or is it just your opinion? Don't count what you read on the Neoboards, as that's not a majority of Neopets players in any way, sense, or form. All you can learn from the Neoboards is what the most outspoken have to say about it -- not everyone else. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2007 0:27:23 GMT -5
I wish I had an opinion on this, but I don't understand why people are so worked up over all the work TNT put into a plot when it provided them with entertainment and prizes.
Then again, the only plot I've done is the Altador one. But, I thoroughly enjoyed that, even if there were some irksome parts. (Liked it enough to do it twice, after my main was frozen.)
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Post by Mr. Meepit's Puppet on Dec 9, 2007 5:09:23 GMT -5
My thoughts:
There won't be a JTTLI 2, per say.
I think it will have Hannah going to the Lost Isle.
Now THAT would be good.
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Post by Herdy on Dec 9, 2007 8:26:32 GMT -5
It's still a large sample. TNT hasnt taken to putting up "did you like this plot" polls, so i'm afraid the boards is all i have to go by. I know there are outspoken board makers who's only point is "I couldnt beat the Moach, this plot sucks.", but if you actually spend time on a variety of the boards and observe the opinions of rational people, you tend to get a fairly representative view of Neopets as a whole - at least that's my experience, and this time an overwhelming majority of people thought JttLI was a very weak plot. Aside, as i said, from those who only took part in JttLI and the Altador Cup, because everyone likes thier first plot.
Yes, the problems of JttLI 1 could be cleared up by a well thought out, full-scale JttLI 2, but that doesnt change the fact that as a stand alone plot, which JttLI is at the moment, it lacks a certain something.
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Post by jockylocky on Dec 9, 2007 19:27:25 GMT -5
It's still a large sample. TNT hasnt taken to putting up "did you like this plot" polls, so i'm afraid the boards is all i have to go by. I know there are outspoken board makers who's only point is "I couldnt beat the Moach, this plot sucks.", but if you actually spend time on a variety of the boards and observe the opinions of rational people, you tend to get a fairly representative view of Neopets as a whole - at least that's my experience, and this time an overwhelming majority of people thought JttLI was a very weak plot. Aside, as i said, from those who only took part in JttLI and the Altador Cup, because everyone likes thier first plot. Yes, the problems of JttLI 1 could be cleared up by a well thought out, full-scale JttLI 2, but that doesnt change the fact that as a stand alone plot, which JttLI is at the moment, it lacks a certain something. 1. Those polls barely mean anything. =P Everyone lies on them. xDDD Okay, dont get ranting at me at #2 below, i'm using it as an example: ---- 2. The boards are full of newbies, whiners, complainers, and good-for-nothing people. Where am i getting this information? The boards, of course. Since there is no polls to go by. "TNT SCAMMED ME! Adam said if i gave him my pw and PIN number, he would give me a Baby PB!!!!!! But he scammed me! UNFAIR TNT" After a while of observing the boards, you tend to get a fairly representative view of Neopets as a whole. I mean, this is everywhere on the boards. n00bs, scammers, rotten people. --- Annnnnd, we're back to reality. Some of the words i used were your very own words. That doesn't make TNT scammers. Those people are plain gullible. And yes, i went on the boards, and I saw those n00bish people. What i'm trying to say is, that the Neoboards really don't count for accurate accusations. You can't say that everyone hated JttLI, or even the majority. If you had a survey on trusted sites, like the NTWF, then I'd believe you. But considering most of the boards are full of obnoxious people (no offence >.>) I mean... i find the plot good. The comics and art were well done, the puzzles were great, the BD was fantastic... all it needed was a bit more info, and a proper closure, and I'd say it was a really good plot. Now, most of this is my own opinion. But use the JTTLI thread on the NTWF. Most people were quite happy and content, until well, it had the surprise ending. That's basically what shook it up. I mean, most people here on the NTWF, would probably say if it had a bit more info, and a proper ending, it could have been a well-done plot. EDIT: If this is over, I'm going to eat somebody ;_; this is the best plot EVAR, and it's got kooky artwork too. it can't just... end like that! This pretty proves my point. Page 53 of the JttLI thread.  |
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