leXa
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Post by leXa on Jan 26, 2005 21:54:14 GMT -5
Chances are there may have been one too many topics on this..but here's my view..Bush thinks he controls the whole world and is better than everyone. Is it fair for us to tell a country what they can and can not do (given the fact they're not trying to blow us all up,) and then do what we forbid them? Presidency is such a big form of hypocracy..I say screw it and we can all become anarchists!(Which may not be the best idea either..Hmm..)
Revised:
I'm against Bush because I'm just a major liberal. I'm sure he's helped out country in ways, but I see the damage more. On the issue of same-sex marriage and abortion, I just think it's really no one's business. The fact that we're trying to control it (not specifically Bush) just makes me incredibly angry. I also think that this war was not necessary, although some long-time issues have been resolved by it. I think it was kind of ridiculous that he spent so much money on his inauguration day things (given I don't know the total cost, but still..) when the tsunami victims are living in tents with no war and food. This is just my opinion though..
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Post by Komori on Jan 27, 2005 0:05:12 GMT -5
Well, I think you should either include some facts with your statement, or else learn about government before just saying things you've heard from other people. I don't mean that in a mean way, I just don't like it when people say such rude things about the president without any facts to back it up. Yes, I know people don't like Bush, but not everyone hates him, or else he wouldn't have been elected, and it isn't right to bash people for no reason.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2005 0:21:17 GMT -5
Heh, I've been raised a democrat, and I'm pretty sure I'll be one all my life. I really don't like Bush, and I think I'll give just a few reasons I can remember at the moment. ^^ - Actually, this first reason is sorta directed at the people who voted for him because of abortion. They voted for him because they want abortion to be banned to save many lives... But what about the hundred thousand people who have died in Iraq because of this war? Thirty one soldiers today alone died in a helicopter crash over there. And they voted for him to SAVE LIVES? (I don't like abortion either, but it's an issue that I can't find a solution to.) - Bill Clinton made the economy stable again and brought back up the budget of the U.S. Bush has made us lose three trillion dollars in the past four years.- I'm not sure if this is a good reason or not, but when he was younger he was supposed to go fight in Viet Nam and he didn't, because he paid his way out or something. Kerry actually FOUGHT for the country in that war, and I can't believe the Bush administration accused Kerry of cowardice! When Cheney skipped out on the war also! Anyway, that's just my two cents, and I bet a whole lot of people disagree with me. Just my highly liberal opinion.  |
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Post by Linnen Malfoy on Jan 27, 2005 0:57:29 GMT -5
...I'll let this topic slide, but I do ask that if you decide to insult someone, please have facts to back it up. It never helps to simply insult one and then leave it at that.
As for Bush, well...I guess he has a good and a bad thing about him. I do applaud him for trying to make the world a better place. One of the saddest things I learned about the Holocaust is that many other contries had an idea of what was going on, yet stepped in far too late.
However, on that note, I just feel that, in a way, we don't have a right to go around saying everyone should be democratic.
Moreso, I feel the war is very disorganized. Kind of like we got complaciant in the idea that, since we're the best army in the world, we can just go in with a mild attitude. More planning and tact could have been used, and is still very much needed, for the war. But I wonder how much of this is true and how much is a media sterotype.
As for the economy, that is acutaly the fault of Greenspan. He never popped the bubble and let it inflate too large until it popped onit's own, which is really dangerous. Of course, Bush's spending on the war isn't great, but...
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Post by Shadyy on Jan 27, 2005 2:45:00 GMT -5
One of the saddest things I learned about the Holocaust is that many other contries had an idea of what was going on, yet stepped in far too late. . The jews first didn't believe it themselves after the message from the Wansee-conference was released, because it was so unbelievably awful. England and the US didn't believe it, because they thought it was a trick from europe to get them in the war against the nazi's. As in WOI with the 'poor little belgium' propaganda, which enrolled england and the US in the war...I think it was in Roosevelt 's time...not sure though. So those country's excuses were a sort of glaubensunwilligkeit,(not believing because it was so awfull to believe).In the end it was the New York Times who spread the news, but it was too late. (Don't mind me, I just learned this about a day ago for an exam.) as for the current war, I wonder if we'll ever know the whole truth, I actually don't think so. There's so much fishiness around it, i don't know what to believe anymore. I do believe in a way that this whole war has gotten some crusade-aspect going around, and personally that freaks me out. With the whole 'axis of evil' shabang, I think Bush might tend to see things a bit to black and white 'If you're not with us, you're against us.' The world holds load of grey. Another thing is that they look for evidence of mass destruction weapons. The army besieged a building with archives, in which Hans Bliks had used documents to denie the existence of the weapons. Then the army just lived and the whole building was plundered, losing all the precious archives. The bonds between the Bush family and the Taliban are closer then we might think, they are connected trough the oil-emporium. There were a few schandals about this, but they were never further investigated. Loads of grey in the world. |
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Post by Crystal on Jan 27, 2005 5:27:09 GMT -5
To be honest... I couldn't care less. One president's the same as another, the only one I'd really care about is if Buddy got somehow elected or something.
LJ joke.
At any rate, Bush or Kerry, what matter? If given a vote, I'd vote for Bush, though. My reasoning? Well, I don't know much about the American system. However, I DO sympathize with Bush on the grounds that when 9/11 rolled around, there were a whole kablooie of people screaming at him to do something about it. War. Invasion. Anything. They wanted revenge, they wanted someone to blame, they wanted information, they were outraged. I don't think Bush really had much choice in the matter... it was invade and have people bash him for killing American/Iraqi people, or not invade and have people bash him for being a spineless fish. (Yum!) No-win situation either way. And I'm sure some of the people now who hate Bush on these grounds were people who clamored for him to DO SOMETHING. Like... er.... Kerry?
Although it really could've been handled more tactfully. I'll give them that.
Also, I think it's kinda silly to blame the economy on him. It's very easy to blame stuff on the head person, but in reality.... well, it's just dumb.
I had a couple more points, but I have cello now.
Might edit this post later.
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Post by Shadyy on Jan 27, 2005 6:45:54 GMT -5
Another thought.
If you run a country you'll always step on someone's toes. It's impossible to satisfy everybody or to always do the right thing, these people are only human. I think it's also near darn impossible to not be involved in corruption of some kind, people are weak in the end; it must be an enormous strain which breaks one's defences.
It's easy to judge any politician(not especially bush), but if they actually are trying to do good and want to improve things, think that this is very hard; you'll always have someone against you.
Although these days I think most politicians (in my country) are really messing things up, they're pushing it on the taxes because they don't have any money. I seriously wonder if the people who are in charge of the traffic improvement and such have actually ever been in traffic; seriously they do more damage then good.
Anyways, I think these boards are actually rather pointless, it ussually turns out ugly, politics are dirty. It's all about having the right friends and being launched at the right time. I even notice this with my father, who's some sort of judge, and it disgusts me. It really does. It's all about power, money and status.
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leXa
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Post by leXa on Jan 27, 2005 6:51:43 GMT -5
Sorry, I didn't mean this to be such a serious board..But that was an ignorant thought. Sorry to anyone I offended!
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Post by Shadyy on Jan 27, 2005 7:06:19 GMT -5
Sorry, I didn't mean this to be such a serious board..But that was an ignorant thought. Sorry to anyone I offended! I don't think you offended anyone, but heh what else to expect from a discussion and debates board then seriousness(or atleast people pretending to be serious, like me)   |
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Post by Buddy on Jan 27, 2005 18:18:31 GMT -5
At any rate, Bush or Kerry, what matter? If given a vote, I'd vote for Bush, though. My reasoning? Well, I don't know much about the American system. However, I DO sympathize with Bush on the grounds that when 9/11 rolled around, there were a whole kablooie of people screaming at him to do something about it. War. Invasion. Anything. They wanted revenge, they wanted someone to blame, they wanted information, they were outraged. I don't think Bush really had much choice in the matter... it was invade and have people bash him for killing American/Iraqi people, or not invade and have people bash him for being a spineless fish. (Yum!) No-win situation either way. And I'm sure some of the people now who hate Bush on these grounds were people who clamored for him to DO SOMETHING. Like... er.... Kerry? We did do something - invade Afghanastan. About two months later. There, we knew they were terrorists - they had been sheltering Bin Laden as well as providing terrorist training camps for him. Those really were terrorists. |
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Post by Crystal on Jan 28, 2005 5:16:31 GMT -5
We did do something - invade Afghanastan. About two months later. There, we knew they were terrorists - they had been sheltering Bin Laden as well as providing terrorist training camps for him. Those really were terrorists. LMAO. I guess I don't know anything about world politics. |
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Post by Komori on Jan 29, 2005 3:42:08 GMT -5
Personally, I prefer Bush to Kerry, if only for the fact that I'm not fond of Kerry (he's just so uncharismatic.). I think Bush does some pretty silly things, especially with his speeches and word choices. I mean, not every president can get a 365 day calendar with a silly quote for every day of the year. And maybe the events regarding the war were not the best decisions possible.
But what really makes me mad is when people I talk to go "Oh, I hate Bush so much!" but can't actually state any facts or reasons at all. That just ticks me off. It's like it's the "in" thing to hate our president or something. I don't care who it was. Hating anyone famous for no reason is just so infuriating. Like when everyone says, "Oh, I hate Hilary Duff!" Why? Sheesh, what did she do to you? Did she shoot your cat or something? ... arg. And I guess this is going slowly off topic so I'll stop ranting now.
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Post by Shadyy on Jan 29, 2005 5:30:36 GMT -5
But what really makes me mad is when people I talk to go "Oh, I hate Bush so much!" but can't actually state any facts or reasons at all. That just ticks me off. It's like it's the "in" thing to hate our president or something. I don't care who it was. Hating anyone famous for no reason is just so infuriating. True. You always need to build up arguments if you're going to try to express an opinion so people can respect it...or something of the kind; I'm confused now |
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Post by Buddy on Jan 29, 2005 10:31:50 GMT -5
But what really makes me mad is when people I talk to go "Oh, I hate Bush so much!" but can't actually state any facts or reasons at all. That just ticks me off. It's like it's the "in" thing to hate our president or something. I don't care who it was. Hating anyone famous for no reason is just so infuriating. Like when everyone says, "Oh, I hate Hilary Duff!" Why? Sheesh, what did she do to you? Did she shoot your cat or something? ... arg. And I guess this is going slowly off topic so I'll stop ranting now. To be fair, though, I've met plenty of people who are that way about Bush - I know of a person who once said he'd vote for Bush because he was "awesome". So, there's more than enough of it to go around. |
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Post by Bacon on Jan 29, 2005 13:14:43 GMT -5
....go fight in Viet Nam and... Vietnam is one word. Let me just say this, I'd rather fight for freedom, than die a coward crushed by terrorists. |
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