Gay people

[kittygirl]

What do you think about gay people. No not gay marrages. Just gay people. Like hanging around with them. I was just Iming and I found out that my friend is gay. Or should I say Elesbean. "I'm flaming gay!" those were her words. It had more context so it made sence for her to say this. But this is a girl that I didn't think even had feelings twoard boys yet! So it hit me hard. I know this is going to change how I look at her. I'm pretty much nutural on this whole gay thing like gay marrage. I think they should just be able to do what they want. I have another friend who thinks that gays are just faking. This makes things much harder on me. What do you think about all this?

[irishdragonlord]

Kittygirl said:

What do you think about gay people. No not gay marrages. Just gay people. Like hanging around with them. I was just Iming and I found out that my friend is gay. Or should I say Elesbean. "I'm flaming gay!" those were her words. It had more context so it made sence for her to say this. But this is a girl that I didn't think even had feelings twoard boys yet! So it hit me hard. I know this is going to change how I look at her. I'm pretty much nutural on this whole gay thing like gay marrage. I think they should just be able to do what they want. I have another friend who thinks that gays are just faking. This makes things much harder on me. What do you think about all this?

FYI, this thread will very likely escalate, but I owuld like to say something.

Being friends with and hanging with gays is fine, as far as I'm concerned. Of course I don't agree with their...beliefs is probably the word I'm searching for, but I think cutting someone off as a friend because of that is irrational. According to that logic, since I'm a Christian, I should only have Christian friends Basically, that's somewhat elitist (is that the word I want?) thinking.

((And Kittygirl... if you believe the gays shold be able to do what they want, that is not "neutral". That would be in support of. ))

[Rider]

[glow=red,2,300]I go to a Catholic school. I have a gay friend.

Next person to bash him gets a face full of me and my 1337 pencil case of d00m!

There are friends of mine who didn't know he was gay until after they had hung out with him for a few weeks. Then they started treating him... differently. Not just the guys, the girls too. It broke my heart, it really did. But such is the way of the world. People need to get slapped in the face with the dead, rotten halibut of Reality before they can learn to actually be nice.[/glow]

[Oily]

Meep, it doesn't change how I feel towards a person at all really. Unless they hit on me. There's a girl in our year who's v. gay and really pervy (this is not just paranoia, she actually is) and we kind of avoid her, cos it's not a nice feeling being perved on. But I have a couple of bi/gay friends, and my attitude hasn't changed towards them at all. Totally comfortable ^^ Whoever people want to love is fine. Personality is more important than gender: who they are rather than what.

[Orginalcliche]

My friend is Lesbian and I would never ever want to stop her from doing what she wants to do as long as it isn't hurting anyone. Even if I don't exactly beilive in it, I think this a general lesson in life. Even though I do not beilive in Islam, or Christianity or many other reilgons I would never stop them from practicing as long as they aren't hurting others or themselves. If you aren't hurting others or yourself you can do it as far as I'm concerned.

I wonder sometimes how you can take your disagreement to a level where even though that person is not directly harming you, or others, you wish to keep them from doing something they enjoy.

[kittygirl]

Of corce I wouldn't disown my friend but I just might think about her differently. I hope and think everything will go fine. Go rider for sticking up for him. And I of corce would do the same. If she didn't kill the basher first.(She is almost ready to kill me (in a friendly way )) She hasn't hit on me and she isn't going to. She isn't that kind of person.

[Patjade]

NaNoin' said:

Meep, it doesn't change how I feel towards a person at all really. Unless they hit on me. There's a girl in our year who's v. gay and really pervy (this is not just paranoia, she actually is) and we kind of avoid her, cos it's not a nice feeling being perved on. But I have a couple of bi/gay friends, and my attitude hasn't changed towards them at all. Totally comfortable ^^ Whoever people want to love is fine. Personality is more important than gender: who they are rather than what.

I think that is the biggest misconception about gay people. That they hit on just about everyone they see. From the people I have met and talked to, it's just NOT true.

The ONLY difference between Gay people and Straight people is that gay people are more predisposed to be attracted to someone of the same sex. Having one hitting on EVERY member of the same sex is about as odd as having a straight person hitting on every member of the opposite sex. We tend to call that person a letch or a pervert.

Now love, true spiritual total love, is yet another matter in itself. What would YOU do if the person you happen to love with your heart and soul is the same sex as you? I am not talking physical sex, I am talking about the person you want to be with the rest of your life. What would you do and how would you feel? Ashamed? Dirty? Why?

Too many people today confuse sex with love. They are not the same thing. It is possible to have sex without love, and love without sex. It seems to happen all the time, and probably the major reason why the divorce rate is so high.

I also think that there is such a major backlash against gay marriage for two basic reasons. Most people don't have the foggiest idea about the difference between love and sex, and they are afraid that the gay society, as a whole, would show up the straight people in the fidelity category.

But then I ramble.

The bottom line is that Gay people prefer to have the company of those of the same sex, and openly profess it, as opposed to straight people who prefer to have the company of the opposite sex, except when doing "girl" or "guy" stuff.

[kittygirl]

Ok I'm fine with my gay freind. But what about my other friend who thinks that gays are faking it. I really don't know what to do. We are best friends and every time the subject comes up about her belifes I just have to pat it down. Her family really doesn't belive in gays. I just don't know what to say to her. We are best freinds and I don't want to insult her but she is indirectly insulting my friend! Don't tell me that I shouldn't be her friend. I know that stuff. It doesn't apply here.

[Patjade]

Kittygirl said:

Ok I'm fine with my gay freind. But what about my other friend who thinks that gays are faking it. I really don't know what to do. We are best friends and every time the subject comes up about her belifes I just have to pat it down. Her family really doesn't belive in gays. I just don't know what to say to her. We are best freinds and I don't want to insult her but she is indirectly insulting my friend! Don't tell me that I shouldn't be her friend. I know that stuff. It doesn't apply here.

I wouldn't worry what others have to say. If she is your best friend, so be it. As for the other "friend". She needs to be educated a bit about people.

I don't get this "faking" it stuff. It's all about preferences. If everyone likes cake and you like pie, are you faking it? Are you WRONG for preferring pie over cake?

What is WRONG with people?! They are so small-minded that they judge someone for the company they keep and the people they like when that preference harms NO ONE.

For the Christians out there, remember that Jesus preferred the company of the hookers, lepers, and outcasts over that of the high and mighty. Are YOU so much better than that?

I'm sorry, It's not like Gays are murderers, terrorists, or evil. They are people who want what everyone else wants; happiness and the freedom to be with those who wish to be with them. They want family, friends, and stability. It is being denied to them because some people are dictating what their morality should be. And the people who are dictating it are the ones who are more prone to sit at home, drinking beer and shouting at the TV during Monday Night Football.

Give me a break.

[Rider]

[glow=red,2,300]Thank you Pat, for telling us what I've wanted to tell my Religion teacher for the past three months. [/glow]

[Kiddo]

Patjade said:

For the Christians out there, remember that Jesus preferred the company of the hookers, lepers, and outcasts over that of the high and mighty. Are YOU so much better than that?

Pat, you're the greatest... I had some individuals get all uptight cause of the people I hang out with. Sheesh.

Basically, my dad summed it up pretty nicely when talking about a gay friend he once had. "I looked at the girls, he looked at the guys, and that was about it."

All morals aside, you can only control your own actions. To reject someone because of your beliefs... well, see Pat's quoted statement.

[kittygirl]

Patjade said:

I wouldn't worry what others have to say. If she is your best friend, so be it. As for the other "friend". She needs to be educated a bit about people.

I don't get this "faking" it stuff. It's all about preferences. If everyone likes cake and you like pie, are you faking it? Are you WRONG for preferring pie over cake?

For the Christians out there, remember that Jesus preferred the company of the hookers, lepers, and outcasts over that of the high and mighty. Are YOU so much better than that?

My best friend says that people are married (a man and a woman) then devorse becuase they all of a sudden think they are gay. That is her proof. I like the jesus thing next time she brings this up I'll shut her up with that. Give her something to think about.

[Oily]

Patjade said:

I think that is the biggest misconception about gay people. That they hit on just about everyone they see. From the people I have met and talked to, it's just NOT true.

The ONLY difference between Gay people and Straight people is that gay people are more predisposed to be attracted to someone of the same sex. Having one hitting on EVERY member of the same sex is about as odd as having a straight person hitting on every member of the opposite sex. We tend to call that person a letch or a pervert.

Now love, true spiritual total love, is yet another matter in itself. What would YOU do if the person you happen to love with your heart and soul is the same sex as you? I am not talking physical sex, I am talking about the person you want to be with the rest of your life. What would you do and how would you feel? Ashamed? Dirty? Why?

Too many people today confuse sex with love. They are not the same thing. It is possible to have sex without love, and love without sex. It seems to happen all the time, and probably the major reason why the divorce rate is so high.

I also think that there is such a major backlash against gay marriage for two basic reasons. Most people don't have the foggiest idea about the difference between love and sex, and they are afraid that the gay society, as a whole, would show up the straight people in the fidelity category.

But then I ramble.

The bottom line is that Gay people prefer to have the company of those of the same sex, and openly profess it, as opposed to straight people who prefer to have the company of the opposite sex, except when doing "girl" or "guy" stuff.

I totally agree, Pat, with all my heart and soul. I hope I didn't give you the impression otherwise :/ I could not be more for gay rights, and in fact support it absolutely, with not one reservation. I cannot imagine feeling otherwise. I am wholeheartedly behind the British Government's civil unions and am praying that they introduce full and proper gay marriage, and wishing I was older so I could attend a march in support of it. I tell people off constantly for using the word "gay" as a synonym for stupid in my class.

I was only being honest in my reply - I only feel uncomfortable when someone I have no interest in hits on me - whether they be girl or guy. That is the only time I could ever have a problem with someone being gay - if their attention is unwanted by me, and they won't bugger off I would feel exactly the same to an unwanted male, and I can honestly say that this is proper the most equal treatment of all.

I know the misconceptions. People have been let off murder for the reason of the "predatory gay" which is complete bull, of course. That gives me chills down my spine.

If the person I loved beyond all else was the same sex as me, I would celebrate. I could never feel dirty or ashamed; I could never believe that someone feels they must feel dirty or ashamed. I could not imagine anything more beautiful than two people in love, and if they do it despite society's prejudice, that can only ever make it more wonderous and special.

I apologise deeply if I ever gave any impression otherwise.

[irishdragonlord]

Patjade said:

I think that is the biggest misconception about gay people. That they hit on just about everyone they see. From the people I have met and talked to, it's just NOT true.

The ONLY difference between Gay people and Straight people is that gay people are more predisposed to be attracted to someone of the same sex. Having one hitting on EVERY member of the same sex is about as odd as having a straight person hitting on every member of the opposite sex. We tend to call that person a letch or a pervert.

Now love, true spiritual total love, is yet another matter in itself. What would YOU do if the person you happen to love with your heart and soul is the same sex as you? I am not talking physical sex, I am talking about the person you want to be with the rest of your life. What would you do and how would you feel? Ashamed? Dirty? Why?

Too many people today confuse sex with love. They are not the same thing. It is possible to have sex without love, and love without sex. It seems to happen all the time, and probably the major reason why the divorce rate is so high.

I also think that there is such a major backlash against gay marriage for two basic reasons. Most people don't have the foggiest idea about the difference between love and sex, and they are afraid that the gay society, as a whole, would show up the straight people in the fidelity category.

But then I ramble.

The bottom line is that Gay people prefer to have the company of those of the same sex, and openly profess it, as opposed to straight people who prefer to have the company of the opposite sex, except when doing "girl" or "guy" stuff.

Of new infections among men in the United States, CDC estimates that approximately 60 percent of men were infected through homosexual sex, 25 percent through injection drug use, and 15 percent through heterosexual sex.

Am I the only one that finds it interesting that over half of men in the U.S. infected with AIDS/HIV are homosexuals? (I couldn't find the statitics for women)

Now, Pat, those were very wise words indeed. Very wise. First I just want to say you are 100% correct on Jesus; but bear in mind, he did not condone these people. He tried to help them. Don't forget that - rejecting the gay people is darn foolish, but that does not mean you need to agree with them.

And Pat, just how often do people who marry not have sex? Honestly. Obviously that's not the reason (usually) but sex is, as far as I've learned, an express of love between two married people. That's what it shows, and most married people do that to express love. And with 60% of men with HIV/AIDS being gay, I'm thinking that God wasn't tossing rules in the air when he said men shouldn't have sex.

[Orginalcliche]

IDL said:

Am I the only one that finds it interesting that over half of men in the U.S. infected with AIDS/HIV are homosexuals? (I couldn't find the statitics for women)

Now, Pat, those were very wise words indeed. Very wise. First I just want to say you are 100% correct on Jesus; but bear in mind, he did not condone these people. He tried to help them. Don't forget that - rejecting the gay people is darn foolish, but that does not mean you need to agree with them.

And Pat, just how often do people who marry not have sex? Honestly. Obviously that's not the reason (usually) but sex is, as far as I've learned, an express of love between two married people. That's what it shows, and most married people do that to express love. And with 60% of men with HIV/AIDS being gay, I'm thinking that God wasn't tossing rules in the air when he said men shouldn't have sex.

IDL I think it is important to remember that marriage isn't just a Christian thing, marriage belongs to many relgions.