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Post by Tron on Nov 3, 2004 22:56:08 GMT -5
Why should people be put down for what they believe in and what they are? People just don't go suddenly "Hey! I want to be homosexual". They're born that way. It wasn't their fault they were born that way.
I have one good friend that's gay- it didn't change my thoughts on him at all. So he's gay. Big deal.
I really don't think there should be a law that says "Gay marriages aren't allowed." People should respect others. We're all different. We're also all the same. If you're putting someone else down, it's like putting yourself down (in my opinion). We're all human beings, we all get excited, angry, depressed, etc. So why should we put someone down for being gay? I really don't see the point of it.
gah. I'm not really good at supporting my ideas... ah well xD If it makes sense to you, than that's at least good. I think.
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Post by wolfofthewoods on Nov 4, 2004 0:22:25 GMT -5
I completely agree with everything both TEOW and Linny stated (unless TEOW contradicted something Linny said in one of her last posts -- I only thoroughly read until a quarter of the way down page three).
Either way.. I'm not religious, really, so tell me if I'm wrong about this.. But what about free will? If you chose to do something that is in no way hurting others, how can you be punished? So what if it's a "mutation." So what if it's your choice. It's what YOU'RE doing, and if it's not effecting anyone, then I say go ahead. I have NOTHING against gays and lesbians. Nothing at all. I feel HORRIBLE that our society can treat them so badly at times, and that they must be condemned repeatedly by idiots who -may- themselves fall in love with someone of the same gender in THEIR future.
Why does it matter whether or not it's natural, or a gene, or some sort of malfunction? It's someone ELSE'S life, and no one (NO ONE) has the right to spit on their very way of loving.
I do have a bit of a problem with gays and lesbians wanting to be married in a Christian church, though. I don't understand why one would want such an incredible event to happen under the eye of one who says you're doing wrong by being there. But I think there's no reason whatsoever that they should not be permitted to be married where they want to be. Peoples' religious views should not outweigh others' way of living and loving.
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Post by Crystal on Nov 4, 2004 3:56:34 GMT -5
Also, I like what Crystal said - either try to change or abstain. Many straight people manage to abstain; why can't homosexuals? *blinks in confusion* I said? What did I say? Did it come out wrong? |
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Post by TheEaterofWorlds on Nov 4, 2004 4:19:12 GMT -5
Also, I like what Crystal said - either try to change or abstain. Many straight people manage to abstain; why can't homosexuals? Most straight people who abstain are doing so because they are waiting until marriage to give themselves to their wives/husbands. Since gays can't get married, what would they be abstaining for? It's not like they can have a wedding night to save themselves for. |
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Post by william on Nov 4, 2004 13:42:01 GMT -5
Just something I noticed a bit back, someone posted that children of related parents are usually deformed, however, this is in no way true, the probability of them being in someway 'deformed' is 10%, as apposed to the 4% of other children.
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Post by Buddy on Nov 4, 2004 16:54:25 GMT -5
Most straight people who abstain are doing so because they are waiting until marriage to give themselves to their wives/husbands. Since gays can't get married, what would they be abstaining for? It's not like they can have a wedding night to save themselves for. And, of course, because pre-marittal sex is so bad... |
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Post by Stal on Nov 4, 2004 18:30:23 GMT -5
Just something I noticed a bit back, someone posted that children of related parents are usually deformed, however, this is in no way true, the probability of them being in someway 'deformed' is 10%, as apposed to the 4% of other children. There's other problems and not just physical deformity. The reason for this is the genetic structure and DNA doesn't change. You get bad things like doubling of recessive traits and so on and so forth. But otherwise, you can actually marry a sister/brother/cousin/whatever and have children that ARE perfectly normal. It's just genetics tend to mess up. |
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Post by irishdragonlord on Nov 4, 2004 18:32:13 GMT -5
*blinks in confusion* I said? What did I say? Did it come out wrong? Did I misquote?  |
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Post by Stal on Nov 4, 2004 18:34:32 GMT -5
Did I misquote? Heh. Yeah. She was talking about voting. XP |
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Post by irishdragonlord on Nov 4, 2004 18:41:48 GMT -5
Ok, I'm sorry, but I am very dissapointed by what was said... I'll just pretend you didn't actually utter those words. That's just pure discrimination. Religious reasons? Ah... America is turning into a Christian country, and it's tearing me up inside. But honestly, how rude can you get? You are treating homosexuals as if they are aliens! They are human! G-d (I'm a religious jew) would not say that, because g-d believes in equality for everyone (not saying you don't). I don't see what gays have done to others. Did you just say America is becoming a Christian country?  That is very, very, big news to me, what with the fact that out of the already none too large amount of people who even say there is a God, very few of them believe in Jesus... And how many times do I need to say this? I. HAVE. NOTHING. AGAINST. HOMOSEXUALS. I disagree with them, I won't support them, but I LOATHE the man who would discrimante or hurt them. Didn't I already say that?! And can someone quote me a source saying where it proved gay parents don't affect a child in any way? I need to as well, so time for Google... And no, TAA, I know no gay people. I know no evolutionists, atheists, or even non-Christians really. I go to a Christian school, and I do my best to find out some of the facts about other views. The only people I know with truly different beliefs than mine are on this forum. And I'mnot saying homosexuals are some sort of strange people; they can very well be nice people. But I still say that's not an excuse. And sorry about bestiality if that was a mistake; but what about polygamy and all that? |
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Post by irishdragonlord on Nov 4, 2004 18:43:51 GMT -5
Heh. Yeah. She was talking about voting. XP ... gah... Oh, and I re-fixed my theory about slavery ^-^ The Bible clearly states equality for EVERYONE, because God looks at Julies Ceaser the same as an orphan-pick-pocket the same as Paul the apostle. Also, Jesus said "He who has ears, listen." The word Trinity is not spoken once in the Bible, though it exists; like Jesus said - he who has ears, listen to what God has to say. ... that's a good theory, right? XP |
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Post by irishdragonlord on Nov 4, 2004 18:44:48 GMT -5
And, of course, because pre-marittal sex is so bad... Yes, Buddy, yes it is...  |
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Post by Stal on Nov 4, 2004 18:51:10 GMT -5
... gah... Oh, and I re-fixed my theory about slavery ^-^ The Bible clearly states equality for EVERYONE, because God looks at Julies Ceaser the same as an orphan-pick-pocket the same as Paul the apostle. Also, Jesus said "He who has ears, listen." The word Trinity is not spoken once in the Bible, though it exists; like Jesus said - he who has ears, listen to what God has to say. ... that's a good theory, right? XP Well, for me, no. Because my religion does not believe in the Trinity. You're going into doctrinal issues there.  |
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Post by irishdragonlord on Nov 4, 2004 19:19:22 GMT -5
Well, for me, no. Because my religion does not believe in the Trinity. You're going into doctrinal issues there. At least the theory agrees with the Bible better than the other one.  |
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Post by TheEaterofWorlds on Nov 4, 2004 19:24:44 GMT -5
Yes, Buddy, yes it is... So if they can't get married and they can't have premarital sex, then what? Swear a vow of celibacy just because you don't agree with their choices? |
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That is very, very, big news to me, what with the fact that out of the already none too large amount of people who even say there is a God, very few of them believe in Jesus...
