People Kill People, Not Guns

[irishdragonlord]

I say people kill people, cuz they bought the gun, and if not a gun, a knife, if not a knife, poison, etc. etc. etc.

Your call?

[Buddy]

I have very strong opinons on gun control. In fact, I've been planning on making a thread about it for some time now, though just haven't found the time. But, it would seem someone has beaten me to it.

Now, instead of posting how I feel about it, I'll link you to an essay I wrote not too long ago. It covers all my views on gun control, why I feel so, and my arguments for it. You can either choose to read it or not. But it's what I feel (it's only about 7 pages).

For the record, please excuse the bracketed numbers next to some paragraphs - they were put there in the original version, and I've simply not bothered to take them out.

www.fictionpress.com/read.php?storyid=1734039

Enjoy!

[Killix]

Guns don't kill people, people kill people....with guns!

[Bacon]

IDL said:

I say people kill people, cuz they bought the gun, and if not a gun, a knife, if not a knife, poison, etc. etc. etc.

Your call?

You bet they do.

If the people don't do it, who does? Guns don't control themselves, after all.

[Smiley]

This is a very interesting topic.

It's true that, if a person really wants to kill another person, there are many means of achieving such without resorting to guns. But at the same time, we need tighter gun control laws and harsher punishments for violators.

Like Meowth said, people kill people with guns.

[irishdragonlord]

Buddy said:

I have very strong opinons on gun control. In fact, I've been planning on making a thread about it for some time now, though just haven't found the time. But, it would seem someone has beaten me to it.

Now, instead of posting how I feel about it, I'll link you to an essay I wrote not too long ago. It covers all my views on gun control, why I feel so, and my arguments for it. You can either choose to read it or not. But it's what I feel (it's only about 7 pages).

For the record, please excuse the bracketed numbers next to some paragraphs - they were put there in the original version, and I've simply not bothered to take them out.

www.fictionpress.com/read.php?storyid=1734039

Enjoy!

Very nice essay, but I would like to point something out - guns do more than kill people. You hunt with them too.

[Buddy]

IDL said:

Very nice essay, but I would like to point something out - guns do more than kill people. You hunt with them too.

And if you look at the end of my essay, you'll see I support the banning fo handguns - which aren't used in hunting.

[irishdragonlord]

Buddy said:

And if you look at the end of my essay, you'll see I support the banning fo handguns - which aren't used in hunting.

Oops.. heh heh. I sped-read it ^-^;;;

[Deleted]

I think its both.

Less people died before the gun was invented.

[aakfish]

We don't really have the same gun problem as you do in the US but gun crime is on the increase. I do think gun laws should be tightend, some people blame films and music that kids listen to in the US but they listen and watch the same things over here but we dont have the same problem as you do.

And remember guns don't kill people, rappers do.
(It's a song, I'm not being serious.)

[irishdragonlord]

Meowth4 said:

Guns don't kill people, people kill people....with guns!

I love that quote ^-^

Also, yes, definitely stricter laws, but not the banning of. And I think the reason less people died before guns is this:

Guns are more portable than swords.
There are more people, and, therefore, more nutjobs.

[Rider]

[glow=red,2,300]That's it in a nutshell, IDL and Meowth.

You gotta remember, though, that because there are so many nutjobs with guns, regular people need to buy guns to feel safe. So gun control isn't just about hunters and nutjobs. It's about the average Joe trying to protect his kids.[/glow]

[Keldor]

Without guns, people would just find some other way to kill each other.

[theunorthodox]

Now, instead of posting how I feel about it, I'll link you to an essay I wrote not too long ago. It covers all my views on gun control, why I feel so, and my arguments for it. You can either choose to read it or not. But it's what I feel (it's only about 7 pages).

"More matter with less art." (If anyone actually knows that quote off the top of their heads they get a cookie)
But yea, the eloquence robs the point you were trying to make a little, though I'm guessing your English teacher loved it.

And if you look at the end of my essay, you'll see I support the banning fo handguns - which aren't used in hunting.

Just wanted to quickly point out that handguns are used in hunting. Not as commonly as your standard rifle, but they certainly are. Coming from a long long line of hunters, I know this.
I understand what you mean though. You're not going to go out hunting with a Cougar Magnum.


My views on gun control can be vulgarly summed up by 2 Gryphon's gun rant: I won't post it, since it's clearly not suitable material for the forum, but anyone who wants to look it up can. Warning, it's extremely graphic and riddled with horridly crude humor, but I still find it hysterical and quite intelligently done.

Guns don't sit around and go, "Hmm, should I go out and kill this soggy old scoundrel or sit home and watch cops?" It's the psychos that own them that have to be leashed. There should be more thorough background checks with people who are trying to buy guns.


Personally, I like guns. I get a kick out of aiming at a target, pulling the trigger, and watching it go bangy-bangy. I've gone to shooting ranges before. I think it's good for people to know how to use a gun. And being of the 'weaker sex' and all that junk, I'd rather keep a gun at home and, if it comes to that point, kill someone that intended to harm me and face whatever charges they throw at me than taking a chance with my own life and safety. And most people in a situation would do the same. The police aren't some mystical beings who magically appear as soon as you dial 911. I've had my house broken into before. When we called the cops they didn't show up for an hour and a half (And these are Suffolk cops, some of the hightest paid in the country.) The guy could've been lurking around my house still and they took their leisurely time. We didn't know. We were scared, but my dad had his gun with him and that made me feel better.

It’s much, much easier to kill someone with a gun than to try and hack them to bits with an axe or beat them silly with a stone. Guns are almost instantaneous. You’re far more likely to be killed by a gun, where a simple pull of the trigger is all that’s necessary. It would take a far more methodical person to try and hack someone with a butcher knife. And most murderers are not methodical people.

Depends on what kind of gun, really. If it's some little pistol, it'll probably be enough of a force to make them back off and put them on the ground. You think hacking someone with an axe or a knife isn't as lethal as shooting them with a gun? If the axe was properly sharpened and assuming whoever was weilding it knew how to penetrate skin, you could cause 6-inch deep, if not more, lacerations, which could cause severe bleeding and probably much more damage and more blood-loss than a simple bullet running in. A torn open throat or belly, which is what most people would probably go for with a weapon like that, would cause someone to die much much faster than a bullet wound. Plus, it's much easier to mend bullet wounds. If the dude was shot and immobilized you could keep pressure on it until medics came. What can you do if he's littered with slashes?


Besides, what kind of situation would you rather be in (Assuming you had to be in either)? Running at a potentially armed person whose intent is to harm you and was most likely prepared to defend themselves ahead of time with a knife/axe or at a safe standing distance with a gun? And which is more likely to make the attacker surrender without a fight?



But don't get me wrong. I do think we need some decent restrictions. You shouldn't own a gun unless you know how to use one properly under a stressful situation.

[irishdragonlord]

... anyone ever read The Rifle?

I just did, 6.754 seconds ago.

Now, I strongly suggest reading this book (I had to do it for a report and it drove me to make this thread, just bought and read it today) because it raises some interesting points. Granted, Gary Paulsen totally blows it by attempting to convince that what he stated could happen, going down to the millionths of a second, but it is a VERY good piece of literature.

Anyway, by 'blows it' I mean he claims that a single spark just so happened to just so happen hit a piece of powder, that was inert, but manage to get close enough to an ignitable piece, and shoot, but being so old the grease messed up the shot, and hit a window, messing it up more, etc. etc. until the bullet has moved 2 feet and killed a kid.

Good book.