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Post by Rishiy on Sept 27, 2004 16:19:51 GMT -5
When and where did they originate from?
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Post by sollunaestrella on Sept 27, 2004 16:49:32 GMT -5
Some nursery rhymes are educational (like for counting etc) but even more than the ones metioned are still violent... even children movies are depressing: some random girl gets chased into the woods and the "queen" is jealous of her and sets out to kill/ poison her to death... That's snow white and Sleeping Beauty is along the same lines of that... I think the toddlers do sort of get the nursery rhyems... if they hear it enough they will get the meaning of all of them... back to nursery rhymes: some promote stereotyoes like variationtions of Ten Little Fingers etc... and also many promote gendor roles to a large extent and that's really not fair... I heard nursery rhymes when I was little and watched Disney movies like Snow White and I turned out fine.  Really, I think nursery rhymes have very little impact on little kids. Sure, they're violent or whatever, but a lot of things are that society considers normal and doesn't give a second thought to, such as movies, video games, and the nightly national news. People grow up listening to nursery rhymes everywhere. A very, very small percentage end up scarred for life or end up as serial killers. And those that do probably weren't either disturbed or inspired by nursery rhymes. Nursery rhymes have existed for ages and no one's the worse for them yet. Nightmare-causing? Maybe for some, but I don't think there's been anything significantly severe as a result. If a parent doesn't want their child to be exposed to nursery rhymes, then fine - but I don't think there's anything horrible about them that way. As Smiley said, we can only make violent connections now. You say that if a toddler hears it enough, he'll make the connections, but did you as a toddler? |
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Post by Mossy on Sept 27, 2004 21:41:04 GMT -5
That doesn't really bother me. Most sheep have their tails docked to stop from getting infected. Sheep actually have quite long tails, you just never see them that way because they tend to get ill when the tails are left long. I know that. But the nursery rhyme says that the tails were left on a tree to dry and she tried to tack again each it it's lambkin. My point? Uh ... |
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Post by Tdyans on Sept 27, 2004 21:51:21 GMT -5
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Post by Ember on Sept 29, 2004 22:13:46 GMT -5
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Post by soul on Sept 30, 2004 5:38:03 GMT -5
[glow=dodgerblue,2,300]Ring around a rosie, a pocket full of posies. Ashes, ashes, we all fall down
My mom told me about the origins of that when I was 10. The flowers to keep away the smell of the burning dead from the black plague. Ashes was referring to basically what they were all to be. The immunity that we have now is something they didn’t have. The only way the churches saw fit was to burn them. Unfortunately this just led to more people dieing because of it, because it traveled through the air..
Little kids should NOT be taught that little song.[/glow]
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Post by Tdyans at work on Sept 30, 2004 12:15:10 GMT -5
[glow=dodgerblue,2,300]Ring around a rosie, a pocket full of posies. Ashes, ashes, we all fall down My mom told me about the origins of that when I was 10. The flowers to keep away the smell of the burning dead from the black plague. Ashes was referring to basically what they were all to be. The immunity that we have now is something they didn’t have. The only way the churches saw fit was to burn them. Unfortunately this just led to more people dieing because of it, because it traveled through the air.. Little kids should NOT be taught that little song.[/glow] I repeat: www.snopes.com/language/literary/rosie.htm |
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Post by Kiddo on Sept 30, 2004 12:41:26 GMT -5
You're right ... nursery rhymes are[/i] evil! They're all about ... bad ... things! What about Little Bo Peep? It's about lambs cutting off their tails! How gory! [/quote] Actually, for a farming community, that's not gory at all. Lambs are supposed to have their tails cut off - I believe the shorter tail helps them to keep flies off better or keeps them from biting each other's tails or something... I can't remember the reason. Anyways, when my mom was a kid, she had some lambs and they had to cut their tails off. I didn't believe her until she showed me a picture of her with a lamb pre-tail cutting. So really, that particular rhyme is just referring to something that's commonly done in an agriculturial society, which was probaly the most prevalent type when that rhyme was first invented. I really don't see the issue with the goryness of fairytales and such. I have an extensive collection of tales from all across the world and yes, they are violent and bloody and American soccer moms would have a stroke if they ever read them. But I grew up on them and other fantasy stories that are just as violent. Am I a violent person? No. Am I innured to violence? Most definitely not. Has it damaged my development into an adult? Of course not. There's nothing wrong with violent nursery rhymes or stories. They're a global thing - they cross cultures and span through time. If there's something inherently bad about them - well - it's a little late now. Edit: Also, think about what fairytales teach us. The good prince, who is brave, honest and generous, always wins the day. The evil stepsisters who are cruel, jealous, spiteful, and decietful wind up being cursed by the wizard disguised as an old man begging for bread. There's common themes in almost all fairytales. It's usually things like honoring your parents, being honest, being generous (a huge theme), being faithful to your word, and many many other things that we would consider virtues. Yes, there is violence. But in the end good wins out. How is that such a bad thing? It's a lot better than teaching kids moral ambiguitity where someone else's right doesn't necessarily have to be yours. I'd much rather be told that yes, it is good to not lie rather than well, I may not like lying but that doesn't mean its wrong for you. |
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Post by aakfish on Sept 30, 2004 14:39:25 GMT -5
Some nusery rhymes obviously have 'hidden' meanings like Mary Mary. However even if these nusery rhymes are about murder and tortue (yes some are) I don't see why it is wrong to teach them to kids. They wouldn't even be able to tell.
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Post by lemmykoopa300 on Sept 30, 2004 15:24:22 GMT -5
You're right. Nursery rhymes are evil. In fact, nursery rhymes are used in a lot of horror games, Silent Hill especially. That's got to say something. Some of them are really quite violent and I'll bet some even set a bad example to small children. I've never liked nursery rhymes. Some (and only some) are okay, but overall, nursery rhymes aren't very nice things. Oh yeah. What you said. XD quote author=Soul, the enchanted boat link=board=debate&thread=1096233430&start=20#1 date=1096540683][glow=dodgerblue,2,300]Ring around a rosie, a pocket full of posies. Ashes, ashes, we all fall down My mom told me about the origins of that when I was 10. The flowers to keep away the smell of the burning dead from the black plague. Ashes was referring to basically what they were all to be. The immunity that we have now is something they didn’t have. The only way the churches saw fit was to burn them. Unfortunately this just led to more people dieing because of it, because it traveled through the air.. Little kids should NOT be taught that little song.[/glow][/quote] WOAH.  ;; |
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Post by Kiddo on Sept 30, 2004 15:33:40 GMT -5
Oh yeah. What you said. XD WOAH. ;; Dude, read the link that Tdyans posted! Yesh. |
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Post by lemmykoopa300 on Sept 30, 2004 17:32:07 GMT -5
WOAH. ;; Dude, read the link that Tdyans posted! Yesh.[/quote] I will.... soon.... ....I'm disgusted that these things are taught to 3 year olds. |
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Post by Kiddo on Sept 30, 2004 17:34:47 GMT -5
....I'm disgusted that these things are taught to 3 year olds. Why? |
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Post by lemmykoopa300 on Sept 30, 2004 18:00:26 GMT -5
Because really, some are.... really disgusting. >.< |
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Post by Kiddo on Sept 30, 2004 18:02:39 GMT -5
Because really, some are.... really disgusting. >.< Alright. Which ones? What makes them so unacceptable to society, in particular, this current society as opposed to the society that created them? |
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