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Post by lemmykoopa300 on Sept 17, 2004 18:24:28 GMT -5
As most of you know, I'm a video game fanatic. Some games just disgust me. Those games that include illegal things, dating, and lots of gore. I can handle some shooters, but some are just so disgusting.
Some games are sick. Ever walk past a game store and see a sign for some video game that looks sickning? Then you vision a little kid saying 'Mommy, why does that man have red stuff all over him?' or 'Why does that guy have all girls surrounding him?' Games like that should be Illigal (sp?).
Maybe I should make a debate about this....
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Post by Sock on Sept 17, 2004 18:28:49 GMT -5
I agree with you Lemmy. I think parents should at least check the rating and stuff and maybe even play it with their kid to make sure it's okay. I mean, someone has to take action. You're right, games like that should be illegal. The owners of the store could at least make it so only people over the age of 18 can purchase it, and if kids want to buy it they must have an adult with them. Stuff with blood and stuff in it doesn't bug me, but dating and stuff, that's gross...
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Post by Rishiy on Sept 17, 2004 18:39:41 GMT -5
Dating is... Illegal? Well I guess you can lock me up right now.
I agree with extensive gore, thats gross and dosen't need to be seen by children. But dating? Thats just immature. How is that sickening? It's a part of growing up you need to accept. Sure for little kids it's not so acceptable... But... People, mainly teens, will want to start experiencing things, and it will be happening around you a LOT. To rule it out as sickening and disgusting is immature, and quite frankly, ignorant.
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Post by Buddy on Sept 17, 2004 18:50:05 GMT -5
The solution is not simply making games illegal, it is somthing that is, apparently, far more complicated and much harder to do.
It's called asking parents to take responsibility for what they're kids play, and making sure they don't buy anything they (the parents) don't want them to.
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Post by Stal on Sept 17, 2004 18:52:51 GMT -5
The solution is not simply making games illegal, it is somthing that is, apparently, far more complicated and much harder to do. It's called asking parents to take responsibility for what they're kids play, and making sure they don't buy anything they (the parents) don't want them to. But Buddy...that requires taking responsibility and being their child's parent!  *gasp* |
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Post by Tdyans at work on Sept 17, 2004 18:57:12 GMT -5
Really Buddy, what are you thinking? If parents just go about willy-nilly actually taking responsibility for what their children are exposed to, then who would those poor parents have to blame when their kids do something wrong?
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Post by Draco on Sept 17, 2004 19:04:34 GMT -5
I'm actully doing a paper on this for school (Well more on ratings but still).
Many kids these days don't pay attention to the ratings! The game industry has every right to make these games, Man Hunt, GTA, Playboy Mansion (for those of you who didn't know their making one). They have every right, but its the parents and the people who play the games to check the RATING.
Parents just think games are for kids, so their all ok. Well what about those kids who killed people, and said they saw it on some game. Or stuff like this. Its the reason they even MADE the rating system for games, because games started to get more mature.
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Post by lemmykoopa300 on Sept 17, 2004 19:23:03 GMT -5
Well, the dating thing is just that some games are OVER DOING the concept. Ever see the poster for 'Leisure Suit Larry?' it's sad. My 6 year old cousin has a Grand Theft Auto game. Well, it's my uncle's but he plays it anyway. I think it's wrong. My mom used to ask the people at the video stores if the Teen game I wanted to rent (I'm almost 13) was ok. I think it's most of the Mature rated games you should look out for if you're under 17. They seem really bad these days... Funny thing is, that Game Informer seems to encourage Mature and Teen rated games by the way the review them. It's kind of sad.  |
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Post by Rishiy on Sept 17, 2004 19:28:14 GMT -5
But what about games like the Sims that are getting high ratings simply because they are about real life? I agree... We need to keep this kinda stuff away from young children who aren't ready for the facts of life yet, but what about teens? Can't we let teens make mistakes for themselves. How else will they learn?
I see flaws with this argument... But I'm having trouble vocalising them at 1:16 AM.
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Post by Draco on Sept 17, 2004 19:34:38 GMT -5
Hmm, we have been moved..... Anyways, I still say its perfectly ok to make these games. Its not like they sell Adult games out in open or anything. Mature doesn't really show or do anything extremly extremly bad.... I mean, if you watch a R rated movie, you can basicly play most Mature rated games. However, I belive they need to make some new ratings, since their becoming more and more spread apart. More like between Mature and Adult. www.esrb.org/esrbratings_guide.asp |
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Post by TheEaterofWorlds on Sept 17, 2004 21:03:50 GMT -5
At Best Buy, if you try to buy an M rated game, a box pops up on the computer screen of the register it says "Is this customer's Birthday on/before September 17, yadda yadda" and you card the customer to make sure they are old enough. If they aren't old enough, they don't get the game. They don't even get to keep holding it (So they can't try in another line)
So... if kids are getting these games, it's because someone (Hmm. Wonder who?) buys it for them.
I've told people "Do you know that this game is rated M for mature and may contain excessive violence and adult themes?"
"Is that what M means? I think my kid might have some of those at home..."
What great parenting. I mean, it tells you exactally why a game is rated M on the back. Of course some people buy it anyway with the excuse; "Well, if I don't buy it, they'll just play it at a friend's house."
Or the people who, when you explain the rating system, tell you "Where do you get off telling me how to raise my kids?!" Umm... cause you're bad at it? And because you're the one who asked what M meant.
Some people are really cool about it though. I explained to a mother what the different ratings meant. Then she and her kid went on shopping for games.
"Can I get this one, mom?"
"No, it's got an M on it."
"What's that mean?"
"It means it's for Mommies and Daddies."
Video game store employees aren't trying to corrupt children, we do care who we sell it to. The people who make games are generally thinking in terms of what they'd like to play. It's like... "Oh, I want to shoot some zombies! Zombies are cool. So's the mafia." So when they make the top selling 'Zombie Mob Hit 3', it's not because they want little Timmy to find out early what a Spleen looks like.
I like Shoot-em-ups. I like Fighting games. I like things to explode. If I am firing a rocket launcher at hordes of the undead, it's going to do more than say "Boom!" and flash a pretty purple cloud. I expect to see a foot fly past my head, I expect some blood to smatter on the surroundings.
If you don't like the games, don't play them. Go ahead and rent 'Ultra Puppy-training 64' or whatever you like. Just let ME play them, for heaven's sake.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2004 1:13:54 GMT -5
TEOF, you have some good points. Some M rated games are fun, even though they contain violence. But if you don't like em, don't play them.
But on the other hand, there are some games that really shouldn't go up on the rack. The games where your characher is basically up to their knees in blood and gore.
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Post by TheEaterofWorlds on Sept 18, 2004 2:19:23 GMT -5
What I'm saying is that I like blood and gore. I should be able to buy it if I want it. I don't like the thought of kids playing it, but most stores have a policy regarding who they sell M-rated games too. I think it comes down to the parents, and I shouldn't have to ditch my fun just because they can't do their job.
Yes parenting is hard, I do have respect for those who take it on themselves to raise our future generations. (I, however, am getting my tubes tied) That being said; a video game is 50 to 60 dollars. That money has to come from somewhere. If you don't want the kid playing it, don't buy it. If you think your child's allowance is going to go to buying video games against your say-so, cut off his allowance. If they start saving up their lunch money and buy it behind your back, they're a rat fink and no video game is going to screw them up worse then they already are.
The problem with some people is that they're too lazy to parent their children, so the want the rest of the world to do it for them. I don't have kids, I don't want them. I care mildly about what they're seeing only because I'm not a *total* uranus, and I don't think I should have everything fun taken away from me because it might 'harm' someone.
This, like comics, is a very important issue to me. I live this stuff. An adult should be able to buy and enjoy material made for their consumption, with minimal hassle. To a certain extent I will put up with being inconvenianced for the sake of child's perceived moral protection. I do not like the thought of having to go to a specialty store, buy exclusivly online or -worst of all- do without because someone can't be bothered to pay attention to what their children are doing.
I for one, would like to make a game that uses both the steering wheel attachment and the Guncon at the same time. this would undoubtably get an M rating, be more violent than some brains can even hold, and also be a lot of darn fun. If I want to make it and they want to play it, I don't see the problem. I wouldn't want some little kid playing it, but that's not going to stop me from making it.
If people are being carded to buy these games (As they should be) what's the problem? It's like buying and selling alcohol- it's not a perfect system, but I think it's good enough. Kids who try to break the rules and buy games they know they shouldn't have are pissants and the problem's not the video game.
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Post by Draco on Sept 18, 2004 3:08:22 GMT -5
Hmm... I'm going to have problems with that  I have a lack of ID and I'm currently 17 I want to try and get one before the end of the school year (18 than)... |
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Post by TheEaterofWorlds on Sept 18, 2004 3:11:29 GMT -5
If that's a problem, you can always go to the store with your parents. If they produce verification of age and give you permission you can buy it that way.
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*gasp*
I have a lack of ID and I'm currently 17